One right religion?

[Prince]

Lighten up, we were just having Straight Truth said 'cheerfully'! We all who are Christians know what we are outside of Christ. And what He expects of us in Heb. 12:4-8! (And if not, there is a touchy name for us there!)

He requires our BEST with Phil. 4:13 Strength of Christ & His 2 Cor. 12:9 supplied GRACE!

Yet, we are to relax when we can, even when called Beelzebub by Christ's truely executing enemies, huh? We all know what to expect! Matt. 10:25-28.

And naw, your scripture was just sidetracted some until you better explained your post. And you need to remember that the ones who live in Mi. are around a lot of carbon exhaust & their brain is sometimes a tad bit slow in the morning!

(Oh' and that is where Bolts is from!;))

--Elijah

Lighten up

Im ok

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[stovebolts]

It's too bad you call, and view yourself as a filthy rag

I didnt call myself a fithy rag - this is what I said

Its ok to Meditate on the law statues and the Lord but not Mary, she was a blessed lady yes, but a filty rag as we all are in comparision to Christ

Isiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean [thing], and all our righteousnesses [are] as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

As we all are? uhhh... I think that would include you too. I believe that sentence is set in the present tense, right?

When one uses a comparison, it requires a minimum of two items, lest there be nothing to compare. I'll bring this up again on my last comment. Let me just say this...
2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

18And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Is Christ a dirty rag?... I didn't think so. But I suppose what I don't understand is how somebody could be "In Christ", yet in comparison to being what ones in... still end up being a dirty rag?... Help a brother out would ya?

Didn't you know you've been made a new, wonderful and beautiful creature in Christ?

Sure but once again I said in comparison to Christ, you left out that part.

Naw, I didn't leave that part out. See above comment ;)

Nowhere in scripture do I see where Christians are first and foremost considered "filthy rags

Ok so once again

Isiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean [thing], and all our righteousnesses [are] as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

ALL that includes everyone.

Do you even see the contradiction lol? All, even those "In Christ"?... BTW, I didn't know they had Christians back in Isiah's day?... Wow, suppose all that jibberish Jeremiah wrote in verses 31:31 don't count huh? :D

Lol, I'm just poking at ya lol. Too man fumes this morning I suppose

 

[francisdesales]

Hi Joe,

I do appreciate the way you pay attention to detail in the way I choose my words, as I also pay attention to the careful wording in which you reply.

In that sense, we are in agreement :yes

Hello Jeff,

I am vastly outnumbered, so I have to be careful, esp. on this subject. ;)

Yes, any devotion, to include an end-of-times scenario or rapture idea, can move us away from God. Jesus warned us of this, but people continue to type in multi-colored text with strange apocalyptic notions that are derived from verses taken out of context to the point of having the Word of God condemning the People of God who are simultaneously being highly praised by that same Word of God... :o

I have seen people take on an undue 'devotion' to the Bible, placing it nearly on par with God Himself. Interpretations of that book take on an undue "devotion". Their "ideas" become "God" to them and no logic or common sense will shake their resolve and their devotion to their beloved ideas.

For us Catholics, using the life of Mary as an example of the ULTIMATE follower of Christ (who should be our model then...) can be useful in our own walk towards God. However, even the Church warns about undo and excessive devotion (Lumen Gentium, for example, highly lauds Mary but warns about excesses that can become part of ANY devotion). A person who has some knowledge of their faith can avoid such things; usually excesses are limited to the simple and superstitious who are largely uneducated in theology.

Not that I have, or will probably ever pray to Mary, but I do see a danger in doing so. Why else would there be so much RCC literature instructing it's parishioners not to worship Mary?

Call it hedging on my part if you will, but with such a human tendency to worship the created, I'd hedge not to even play in that sandbox.

But then, you can ask Jason... I won't swim in the ocean in Florida either :nod

To eliminate that "human tendency" would require one to live the life of the hermit, away from the "world"...

I think with a bit of education and prudence, there is little to fear from your concern (over and against any other form of devotion). For me, I see these saints as gifts from God, examples for the people of their ages and the ages to come. People in all lines of walk, all types of illnesses or circumstances, can still place God at the forefront of their lives. Mimicing a particular saint's walk that is similar in circumstances to yourself is beneficial. I personally don't put much stock in scapulars and medals, but I understand their purposes - to remind a person of the path they should be walking.

I do respect other people's decisions to not take advantage of these gifts God has given to us. I suppose it goes to the "fullness" idea you hear from me occasionally. Remember, the saints are given gifts - not for themselves - but for the Body, the Church.

Regards

 

[stovebolts]

Joe,

I understand where you are coming from, and I can respect that because I know where your heart is.

Thank you also for respecting where I'm coming from. Every once in awhile I think it's good to show a bit of grace toward one another.

Grace and Peace, Brother.

 

[francisdesales]

And this same rome spirit was behind the executing of over one hundred and fifty million Saints during the dark ages according to Fox Book Of Martyr's. (they even suggest that that is a low estimate) And the [ONE RIGHT RELIGION?] has this 's'pirit, huh?

--Elijah

Who would have thought that people still believe that propaganda?

The point of that book was to mold people's opinions during the English Reformation. The country was Catholic for 1000 years, so those first Reformers in England - politically motivated, by the way, unlike their German brothers - had to invent a huge lie. It was produced a mere 5 years after Queen Mary died, the last Catholic queen of England. The battle of for the 'hearts and minds' was won by these Protestants, who were also master propagandists v the Spaniards (whom they were fighting during this time frame). This book of lies contributed mightily to the assertion of the political reasoning behind the move towards Protestantism in England. Recall, Henry VIII was a "Defender of the Faith" for his writings before Rome refused to grant him a divorce. "Mysteriously", he no longer was a defender of the Catholic faith once he didn't get his way - and the political propaganda engine took off from there to justify the move away from Catholicism.

Foxe ended up being roundly criticized for his inaccuracies, thus, the result of a number of following editions that removed offending and inaccurate portions of the book. Foxe is "more accurate when dealing with history of his own time", and so naturally, the 150 million is a worthless number, more than the Black Plague.

In the words of Thomas S. Freeman, one of the most important living Foxe scholars, "current scholarship has formed a more complex and nuanced estimate of the accuracy of Acts and Monuments....Perhaps [Foxe] may be most profitably seen in the same light as a barrister pleading a case for a client he knows to be innocent and whom he is determined to save. Like the hypothetical barrister, Foxe had to deal with the evidence of what actually happened, evidence that he was rarely in a position to forge. But he would not present facts damaging to his client, and he had the skills that enabled him to arrange the evidence so as to make it conform to what he wanted it to say. Like the barrister, Foxe presents crucial evidence and tells one side of a story which must be heard. But he should never be read uncritically, and his partisan objectives should always be kept in mind."

To make this point, numerous Catholics in England also suffered martyrdom (ever watch the movie "Beckett"?). This was a sad period of time for ALL of Christianity, as Catholics and Protestants both were persecuted if living under the wrong religion of the local prince. There is no point in presenting one-sided histories that forget that BOTH sides persecuted the other during this era.

Regards

 

[Elijah674]

Who would have thought that people still believe that propaganda?

The point of that book was to mold people's opinions during the English Reformation. The country was Catholic for 1000 years, so those first Reformers in England - politically motivated, by the way, unlike their German brothers - had to invent a huge lie. It was produced a mere 5 years after Queen Mary died, the last Catholic queen of England. The battle of for the 'hearts and minds' was won by these Protestants, who were also master propagandists v the Spaniards (whom they were fighting during this time frame). This book of lies contributed mightily to the assertion of the political reasoning behind the move towards Protestantism in England. Recall, Henry VIII was a "Defender of the Faith" for his writings before Rome refused to grant him a divorce. "Mysteriously", he no longer was a defender of the Catholic faith once he didn't get his way - and the political propaganda engine took off from there to justify the move away from Catholicism.

Foxe ended up being roundly criticized for his inaccuracies, thus, the result of a number of following editions that removed offending and inaccurate portions of the book. Foxe is "more accurate when dealing with history of his own time", and so naturally, the 150 million is a worthless number, more than the Black Plague.

In the words of Thomas S. Freeman, one of the most important living Foxe scholars, "current scholarship has formed a more complex and nuanced estimate of the accuracy of Acts and Monuments....Perhaps [Foxe] may be most profitably seen in the same light as a barrister pleading a case for a client he knows to be innocent and whom he is determined to save. Like the hypothetical barrister, Foxe had to deal with the evidence of what actually happened, evidence that he was rarely in a position to forge. But he would not present facts damaging to his client, and he had the skills that enabled him to arrange the evidence so as to make it conform to what he wanted it to say. Like the barrister, Foxe presents crucial evidence and tells one side of a story which must be heard. But he should never be read uncritically, and his partisan objectives should always be kept in mind."

To make this point, numerous Catholics in England also suffered martyrdom (ever watch the movie "Beckett"?). This was a sad period of time for ALL of Christianity, as Catholics and Protestants both were persecuted if living under the wrong religion of the local prince. There is no point in presenting one-sided histories that forget that BOTH sides persecuted the other during this era.

Regards

Here is some more of your propaganda.

The finding: six priests -- or 7.3 per 10,000 -- died of AIDS in those states that year. The AIDS death rate of the general population in those three states in 1995 was 1.8 per 10,000. A.W. Richard Sipe, a former priest who has spent more than 30 years studying sexuality issues in the church, thinks that about 750 priests nationwide have died of such illnesses. That would translate into an AIDS-related death rate eight times that of the general population. Joseph Barone, a New Jersey psychiatrist and AIDS expert, puts the number of U.S. priests who have died at 1,000 -- nearly 11 times the rate of the general population.

"And the church just doesn't want to admit it." -

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[farouk]

Yes, and but in terms of Christianity only would it make sense to go straight to the Bible. Also, how do you know, out of the many different versions of the Bible, which one is actually the original?





Maybe this isn't the thread for it, but how can you be so certain? What makes Islam, Hinduism etc to be the ones that are not true?

I see it it difficult to get any other answers on a Christian site, but you saying to me Christianity is the only true religion, doesn't answer my questions or make me think any differently.

The difference is that the truth of the Bible tells of God's search for sinful man, and in His great love sending His beloved Son to be the Saviour. John 3.16