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Oppose Christian Zionism

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CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) - Hank Hanegraaff, radio's Bible Answer Man, says he's written a book that refutes the idea that modern Israel is a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy.

He says the Zionism that's popular among Christians -- and which has influenced U-S foreign policy -- is actually a form of racism that misinterprets the Bible.

In "The Apocalypse Code," Hanegraaff argues that Christians, whether they're Jews or Gentiles, are God's chosen people. He says the notion that God cares more about DNA than salvation has led many Christians to support Israeli Jews instead of Palestinian Christians.

Hanegraaff also seeks to refute the kind of end-times beliefs popularized by the "Left Behind" novels and advocated by some Christian leaders.

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I'm against Isreal - there no support for it ...
there should be no relationship between christians and the state of israel ..

we are with Christ - how could US leave thouthands of christians in Iraq killed without any try to help them - i think for that reason . Us is being defeated there by weak groups of terrorists ..
.. it's GOD's punishment for Devilsh teachings ..
 
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This post is very offensive to me, to the forum, and God. Just goes to show how far a person like Hank can get out of touch with Christianity and what the Word of God says. This is what happens when one is a heresy hunter. I do hope the board takes this takes this post off of here.



May God bless, Golfjack
 
Hank Hanegraph is a perfect example of a man who played the part of a Christian but has shown over the course of time to prove himself a false teacher and a thief...

He stole Walter Martins ( a good Godly man who went home) show and turned it into a haven for false teaching, when the original bible answer man was preaching agaisnt the very things that Hank teaches...His views on end times and replacement theology are false and straight from the pit of Hell....I could go on and on, but I would say leave this thread and expose this false teacher for whom he is.....
 
The OP is a perfectly legitimate claim that should be allowed to stand and fall on its merits, and not be censured merely because it is offensive to some readers.

We fall too often into the "denounce something as heresy" and attack the person rather than the content of their statement.

I know nothing about Hank Hanegraph but I do share concerns about "Left Behind". I assert that belief in the rapture is simply a misinterpretation of certain Biblical texts - I do not think any people will be snapped up into heaven.
 
I have no plans of ever listening to this Hank Hanegraph. :x ( I remember The late Dr. Walter Martin very well. )
 
Christine...
I meant to write this the other day and it slipped by my mind...
Anyway, when you post, your words carry allot or weight and I enjoy reading them very much .....

Hank is involved in many Law Suits right now including one that the Martin family has against him.....

Truth is, Ole hank is a Hyper Calvinist...who has never gotten past the ''T''
 
I don't know what got into Hank lately... very puzzling.

I do agree to some extent over his distaste for Left Behind "theology".

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Vic
 
vic C. said:
I don't know what got into Hank lately... very puzzling.

I do agree to some extent over his distaste for Left Behind "theology".

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Vic
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I use to glean Mr. Hanegraaff when I listened to the radio more, but I know I use to disagree with a lot of his teachings, and have never turned his show on intentionally. I am not sure about the law suit issues, but Scripture teaches us not to sue one of our brothers. I was surprised to hear him called a hyper-calvinist, Javier, I always thought he strongly disagreed with Calvinism.

As far as Mr. Lahay goes, I have chosen not to read any of his books. (I haven't read any of Mr. Hanegraaff's either, btw.) I do not believe that I am in agreement with his end times views, and the style of the books did not interest, or appeal, to me.

Getting back to the topic of this thread...

I do think that we forget the Arabic (Palestinian) Christians at times, and fail to support them, or pray for them. They are God's too, and part of His chosen people. It will be nice when all the nations can be healed by the leaves of the tree of life...over a cup of tea maybe. :wink: Politically, I think we are to watch the signs, but always stand for Christ only, cling to Him only...not specific nations, or specific political parties and views. Even the nation of Israel is capable of persecuting believers...those of their nation, and other nations. In the same breath, I would not favor other nations for the same reasons, or be against them...or Israel. We should be bringing them all the Gospel, concerning ourselves with their souls, not their politics and battles...God will take care of those matters, I believe.

The Lord bless all of you.
 
lovely said:
I use to glean Mr. Hanegraaff when I listened to the radio more, but I know I use to disagree with a lot of his teachings, and have never turned his show on intentionally. I am not sure about the law suit issues, but Scripture teaches us not to sue one of our brothers. I was surprised to hear him called a hyper-calvinist, Javier, I always thought he strongly disagreed with Calvinism.
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Lovely
Around here where I am from we here allot...Un fortunately it is not good...H erecently moved back east to get away from here...I am well aware that Christians should not sue Christians...Here is the thing...There are literally dozens of Law Suits against Hank that are public record...Oh, and I have a very good friend who use to work for hank, but he left because of all the corruption...

As far as his hyper-calvinism goes, ''he is that''...He is that...He is one who says that ''if you are not one of the elect, then God hates you''....You know what, I better stop...Simply research the man and you will be amazed at what comes up.....
 
Well done, Hank! I thank you.

This process is unstoppable. More and more Christians are starting to realize that it is simply wrong to support those who hate Jesus.

Watch this Israeli settler gloating over killing Jesus.

Rabbinical Teachings Concerning Christians here.

And this is what my Bible says:

Jhn 7:1 After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.

I mean, how much clearer can the Bible be? Or are people saying that the BIBLE is WRONG? Are people saying that JESUS was WRONG? C'mon! Read what the Bible says! Open your eyes to the truth of Jesus Christ! That's what Hank Hanegraaff did!
 
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Well done, Hank! I thank you.

This process is unstoppable. More and more Christians are starting to realize that it is simply wrong to support those who hate Jesus.

Watch this Israeli settler gloating over killing Jesus.

Rabbinical Teachings Concerning Christians here.

And this is what my Bible says:

Jhn 7:1 After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.

I mean, how much clearer can the Bible be? Or are people saying that the BIBLE is WRONG? Are people saying that JESUS was WRONG? C'mon! Read what the Bible says! Open your eyes to the truth of Jesus Christ! That's what Hank Hanegraaff did!
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Can you provide some commentary for your post...I have no idea what your saying.
 
disruptor said:
This process is unstoppable. More and more Christians are starting to realize that it is simply wrong to support those who hate Jesus. ...

...I mean, how much clearer can the Bible be? Or are people saying that the BIBLE is WRONG? Are people saying that JESUS was WRONG? C'mon! Read what the Bible says! Open your eyes to the truth of Jesus Christ! That's what Hank Hanegraaff did!
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Do you really believe the Jews are solely to blame for Jesus' death??? We ALL have blood upon their hands, unless you and Hank are the only two in history, besides Jesus, to have no sin upon you.

The Bible is very clear, despite what you or Hank say. I am no big supporter of Zionism, but God clearly says HE will gather and deliver HIS Chosen ones, with HIS own hands too.

Ezekiel 20:34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.

Jeremiah 23:3 And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.

Jeremiah 29:14 And I will be found of you, saith the LORD: and I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the LORD; and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive.

Jeremiah 31:10 Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.
 
Are they God's chosen people alone - or were they chosen with a specific task to be His witness to the world?
 
aLoneVoice said:
Are they God's chosen people alone - or were they chosen with a specific task to be His witness to the world?
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Good question. I believe HE elected both; one group out of the Hebrews for service as witnesses and a "remnant" chosen for salvation. That remnant is what I believe those verses refer to. I believe both groups are HIS elect, though Jesus did say;

Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.


Any thoughts?
 
vic C. said:
Good question. I believe HE elected both; one group out of the Hebrews for service as witnesses and a "remnant" chosen for salvation. That remnant is what I believe those verses refer to. I believe both groups are HIS elect, though Jesus did say;

Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.


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I have vied the church to be a contiuation - not a replacement.

In other words, God chose Israel to be His witness, and the church continues to be that witness.

But I am not sure I agree with the idea of two seperate groups - which would imply two seperate 'plans' for those groups.
 
Maybe you misunderstood me? I'm not into replacement theology either. The two groups I spoke of are all OT Israel; with 1/3 of Israel called out for deliverance and some of the rest called out to serve. That doesn't imply two plans. I know you're not into eschatology much, so it's tough for me to explain in layman's terms.

What I don't believe though is that ALL of national Israel will be delivered.
 
Vic
I understood what you meant and know that you are not into replacement theology....I also agree that when the bible speaks of all Israel being saved, it is speaking of the nation and not individual folks....
This is very difficult to explain in a forum atmosphere and this is where folks really need to understand that Romans 9-11 is mostly all about Israel and not for the gentile....Paul makes that very clear when he says that he would rather be cursed than to see his fellow country men be lost...But the fact is that the Jews can only make it through in one way....The same way the rest of us do...

The jews have been and always will be Gods chosen people, his first Love...To say otherwise would say that God broke his promise...
 
But I am not sure I agree with the idea of two seperate groups - which would imply two seperate 'plans' for those groups.

Uh, . . . what's so important or special about Israel, or the land it occupies?
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Revelation is written with the Hebrews in Mind, Its the fulfillment of his promises to them.

Everything in the Bible is centered on the Adamic & Davidic line, Christ and Jerusalem. It's the focus of the Bible his people, promises and redemptive plan, to leave it out is impossible.
 
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