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Opposing the death penalty.

I mean if conversations happen during the job, then clearly it's not a problem. And the thing that was mentioned was a "Jesus pin" by the way.
 
DarkWalker said:
I do not oppose the death penalty because of God's commandment prior to the law that a person's blood shall be shed if they choose to shed the blood of another (Genesis 9:6). That being said, I do believe the death penalty is poorly implemented by humanity. As with many things, when we elected to have kings over us instead of God's control, we screwed it up.
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Well does that still apply considering new testament scripture that says the ordinances written against us were nailed to the cross?
 
YosefHayim said:
Well it depends. Is the work able to get done? Or is it work that requires no communication?
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It's called work ethics.

And seeing we are told to work and take care of ourselves and our families as well as the less fortunate, it's a good idea to have a job so you can obey the Lord.
 
Deborah13 said:
It's called work ethics.

And seeing we are told to work and take care of ourselves and our families as well as the less fortunate, it's a good idea to have a job so you can obey the Lord.
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And a mention of faith or a Jesus pin is unethical? It's not like I'm saying it's absolutely mandatory that you you talk about the gospel nonstop all day. That's what it's being made out to be. What I'm saying is that if there is the opportunity, it should be taken. You shouldn't even be allowed to say hi to your co workers if that's the case.
 
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It's unethical to be talking when you should be working. It's unethical to not abide by the rules you agreed to. If you have agreed not to promote your faith on the job, then you shouldn't do that, period.

Some of your comments are getting pretty silly. Not say hi?
 
Deborah13 said:
It's unethical to be talking when you should be working. It's unethical to not abide by the rules you agreed to. If you have agreed not to promote your faith on the job, then you shouldn't do that, period.

Some of your comments are getting pretty silly. Not say hi?
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Not really. If mentioning faith is unethical by means of "talking instead of working", then so is greeting a co worker. You should be working, not saying hi. It's rather silly to agree to not talking of your faith at work to begin with. Talk happens and work still gets done. Unless it's something that requires extreme focus, that's another story. All I'm saying is the Gospel is more important than some job rules. They perish with the world anyway.
 
YosefHayim said:
Not really. If mentioning faith is unethical by means of "talking instead of working", then so is greeting a co worker. You should be working, not saying hi. It's rather silly to agree to not talking of your faith at work to begin with. Talk happens and work still gets done. Unless it's something that requires extreme focus, that's another story. All I'm saying is the Gospel is more important than some job rules. They perish with the world anyway.
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NOT if you agreed to the rules. Don't like them become a street preacher. :thumbsup
 
I understand Jason's stance here.
He needs a job to provide for his family.
We shouldn't ill advise him and have him lose his job.
But I did mention some things earlier.
Let me ask all of you: how much do we want to share the message of salvation to people?
That will be answered differently by all of us.
Some of us truly have a calling for this.
Some have been given gifts in other areas, such as praying for those that witness.
Some haven't reached this point in their lives yet.
Each of us have different types of jobs with varying settings and situations.
We cannot all judge alike.

Now Jason, through all this you only said one thing I didn't agree with.
You said, "I can't".
It's not so much the word and the truth behind it, but the attitude.
Change that attitude to, "I can do all things in Christ".
Then, whether on the job or else where in life, you will find things happen that didn't happen before.
 
YosefHayim said:
Not really. If mentioning faith is unethical by means of "talking instead of working", then so is greeting a co worker. You should be working, not saying hi. It's rather silly to agree to not talking of your faith at work to begin with. Talk happens and work still gets done. Unless it's something that requires extreme focus, that's another story. All I'm saying is the Gospel is more important than some job rules. They perish with the world anyway.
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Deborah is right. When a man hires another man to do a job he expects that during the hours required for that job the employee will concentrate on his work. If discussion of religion, or any other subject, causes disruption to that work, the employer has every right - in my opinion, a responsibility - to set restrictions to such discussions.

Every person in our great country has a right to freedom of religion and the expression of his faith. But, that right is a negative right, not a positive right. Your right to express your faith does not obligate others to provide you with goods or services, which is the nature of every positive right. Your right to the expression of religious belief can not obligate others to pay you for that expression.

In any event, you seem to be making a straw-man argument. The balancing of rights and responsibilities in the real world - as opposed to a theoretical discussion of inflexible conditions - is worked out by consensual arrangements and relying on common sense interactions between people respectful of others' rights as well as their own.
 
YosefHayim said:
I mean if conversations happen during the job, then clearly it's not a problem. And the thing that was mentioned was a "Jesus pin" by the way.
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again some could construe wearing the pin as an endorsement. silly, and I hate that but we have such a case in the military.
 
Deborah13 said:
No rights are being violated, that's just ridiculous. If you make a contract with an employer and agree to their rules then you abide by what you agreed to. If you don't want to then you don't take the job, no one is forcing you to take it.
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agreed. im paid to read meters not to go into a building during official work time and chit-chat or witness. should I hand out(not at Deborah to answer) flyers when im walking the roads? NO, I can on my own time do that, and I have. and I have been into some communities that prohibit solitication. their rights. what I do off of work is my right and business, so long as its not illegal.because I have acess to schools certain crimes I could commit will cause an automatic removal of that priviledge.
 
Mike S said:
Deborah is right. When a man hires another man to do a job he expects that during the hours required for that job the employee will concentrate on his work. If discussion of religion, or any other subject, causes disruption to that work, the employer has every right - in my opinion, a responsibility - to set restrictions to such discussions.

Every person in our great country has a right to freedom of religion and the expression of his faith. But, that right is a negative right, not a positive right. Your right to express your faith does not obligate others to provide you with goods or services, which is the nature of every positive right. Your right to the expression of religious belief can not obligate others to pay you for that expression.

In any event, you seem to be making a straw-man argument. The balancing of rights and responsibilities in the real world - as opposed to a theoretical discussion of inflexible conditions - is worked out by consensual arrangements and relying on common sense interactions between people respectful of others' rights as well as their own.
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I have talked to coworkers when I was done with my daily duties about a lot of things. I have had end times discussion that were going on until the phone rang and the employee had to return to work. I didn't thinkt it was rude that he answered the phone. I heard it and waited. if he had to work a lot and it was big section of work. I simply would leave. im done he isn't!
 
jasonc said:
I have talked to coworkers when I was done with my daily duties about a lot of things. I have had end times discussion that were going on until the phone rang and the employee had to return to work. I didn't thinkt it was rude that he answered the phone. I heard it and waited. if he had to work a lot and it was big section of work. I simply would leave. im done he isn't!
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You're using your common sense about what's appropriate and what isn't. That's what most of us do. I don't think we need laws interfering with that.
 
Mike S said:
You're using your common sense about what's appropriate and what isn't. That's what most of us do. I don't think we need laws interfering with that.
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the army, and air force have regs on this because of some Christians simply will stop working and just talk about jesus. so its a common sense reg. work and talk. if you cant work,dont talk.
 
YosefHayim said:
I bet a "support gays" pin would be a-ok.
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you cant wear any pins on the uniforms unless:
1) authorized to do so from co or higher
2) the wearing of the rainbow colors while not to my knowledge specifically mentioned isn't allowed unless rule #1 says so.
3) since that is political activism and its considered to a political cause. therefore the wearing of , promotion of any political party isn't authorized while on duty/ off duty in uniform.

however, I can wear a cross, the star of david, the red crescent with my dog tags. it cant display religious items. chaplains can wear their faith on the collar to designate what type of chaplain they are.
 
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