OSAS is biblical truth. - Part 2

[MarkT]

Re: OSAS is biblical truth.

So right now, you have an important decision to make! You can either, believe in Christ, (faith) or you can reject him. The decision is yours. You can tell God the Father, (in your own thoughts) that you are believing in his Son, and that will be the moment of eternal(forever) life for you.

We are dodging the question with answers already agreed upon.

“Whosoever believes in me will not perish, but have everlasting life.” Jn 3:15

The subject is OSAS.................... Believe in the Son Jesus get saved.

Without all kinds of circumstances and what if's at this point. The point in many of those scriptures is "Believe" So the question is, what if someone chooses not to believe after being born again. What if they decided that Allah would be better or anything but the Lord. It's a choice and that is the Question. Is OSAS mean no matter what you have to stay saved? (Only stupid people would choose not to)

A man I met in Prison served under Billy Graham in the early 70's. This man and his wife worked under this man and did things like set up and talk to people. Years go by and this man decides to worship Satan instead. He could quote whole passages of chapters in the KJV and was very impressive with Word knowledge as he studied it most his life, but decided he did not want Jesus and hated me for even mentioning Jesus.

I decided to pray for him one night and the Holy Spirit spoke up to me and said............. "Don't pray for him."

Now I can't say..... "Don't pray for him" meant he was on his way to hell, but It certainly did not look good for him because he knew the word but decided to choose different. A set of circumstances led him down the path away from Billy and into other things. He was in for murdering someone that was messing with his wife and he killed his wife. These were choices he made.

That is what I am talking about...... does OSAS remove our choice to not be saved? What happens if we stop believing which was a requirement in many scriptures.

Mike.


Mike.

If you believe the truth, if you love God, if you love what is good and you hate what is evil, if you have his Spirit, then you have his assurance of salvation.

No believer would choose hell. That's an oxymoronic statement.

Who can resist God? Is it your will to let God save you? Is God doing your will? No. God has mercy on whoever he wills. God knew us from the beginning. Really it is why he created man; so that we could be saved. That's the greatness of God.

Interesting story about the man in prison, and I can not say I am surprised.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Re: OSAS is biblical truth.

f you believe the truth, if you love God, if you love what is good and you hate what is evil, if you have his Spirit, then you have his assurance of salvation.

So true Mark.
I know he is with me.
I know I love him.
I know I could never just walk away from him.
I belong to him and he will keep me forever.

Who can say, "I love you God" and then walk away from him forever?

If you are truly saved, then you know that you could never do that.

 

[JLB]

Re: OSAS is biblical truth.

If you believe the truth, if you love God, if you love what is good and you hate what is evil, if you have his Spirit, then you have his assurance of salvation.

Well said, and I agree.

However there are quite a few if's in your statement.

How many of those if's can you remove from your statement before the assurance of salvation is no longer?


JLB

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Re: OSAS is biblical truth.

If you believe the truth, if you love God, if you love what is good and you hate what is evil, if you have his Spirit, then you have his assurance of salvation.

Well said, and I agree.

However there are quite a few if's in your statement.

How many of those if's can you remove from your statement before the assurance of salvation is no longer?


JLB

I've answered those ifs.
You should respond to my post.

 

[JLB]

Re: OSAS is biblical truth.

Is it your will to let God save you?

Yes, it was my will to let God save me.

I obeyed from the heart, believed the Gospel and repented.


JLB

 

[JLB]

Re: OSAS is biblical truth.

Is it your will to let God save you?

Yes.

I chose to obey from the heart and believe the Gospel message and repent, and be baptized.

If you believe the truth, if you love God, if you love what is good and you hate what is evil, if you have his Spirit, then you have his assurance of salvation.

How many of those if's can you remove from your statement before the assurance of salvation is no longer?


JLB

 

[MarkT]

Re: OSAS is biblical truth.

If you believe the truth, if you love God, if you love what is good and you hate what is evil, if you have his Spirit, then you have his assurance of salvation.

Well said, and I agree.

However there are quite a few if's in your statement.

How many of those if's can you remove from your statement before the assurance of salvation is no longer?


JLB

His assurance is always.

If you say you believe in Jesus, but you don't believe in his assurance, then what good is your belief in Jesus? Jesus gave us his assurance to build us up, to keep us from falling. If you don't believe his assurance, believe in him but not his assurance, then you are working against yourselves, bringing yourselves to ruin. We have his assurance. Let's spread it around.

 

[reba]

1. Blessed assurance, Jesus is mine!
O what a foretaste of glory divine!
Heir of salvation, purchase of God,
born of his Spirit, washed in his blood.
Refrain:
This is my story, this is my song,
praising my Savior all the day long;
this is my story, this is my song,
praising my Savior all the day long.

2. Perfect submission, perfect delight,
visions of rapture now burst on my sight;
angels descending bring from above
echoes of mercy, whispers of love.
(Refrain)

3. Perfect submission, all is at rest;
I in my Savior am happy and blest,
watching and waiting, looking above,
filled with his goodness, lost in his love.
(Refrain)

 

[MarkT]

Re: OSAS is biblical truth.

Jesus made us aware of the dangers outside. It's one thing to be aware, it's another thing to argue against his assurance.

 

[reba]

The promises given to Abraham were conditional upon obedience .

 

[Brother Mike]

Re: OSAS is biblical truth.

Who can resist God? Is it your will to let God save you? Is God doing your will? No. God has mercy on whoever he wills. God knew us from the beginning. Really it is why he created man; so that we could be saved. That's the greatness of God.

Interesting story about the man in prison, and I can not say I am surprised.

I think you say it here pretty good. It's not that he knows, or who can resist His will. He created us to succeed and make it. God never planed junk or failure. So He did create us to be saved and have fellowship with him. That is the will of God, to make it and to be in fellowship with God. If you resist that will though, then things won't go well for you. Without God, without hope in this world and there are many more scriptures that tell us what happens to those that don't know God and don't care to know God.

Mike.

 

[MarkT]

Is it your will to let God save you?

Yes.

I chose to obey from the heart and believe the Gospel message and repent, and be baptized.

Do you know that for sure? Maybe one of God's angels compelled you to believe.

 

[JLB]

Re: OSAS is biblical truth.

His assurance is always.

If you say you believe in Jesus, but you don't believe in his assurance, then what good is your belief in Jesus? Jesus gave us his assurance to build us up, to keep us from falling. If you don't believe his assurance, believe in him but not his assurance, then you are working against yourselves, bringing yourselves to ruin. We have his assurance. Let's spread it around.

I believe in Him.

His grace sustains me and keeps me.

I have faith in God, not in my faith.

However, I will obey what His Apostles have written in the New Testament, and aknowledge their clear admonitions to keep myself from being polluted by the world.

Friendship with the world is enmity towards God.

15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world--the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life--is not of the Father but is of the world. 1 John 2:15-16

I choose not to ignore the many warnings such as this one as well as have faith that God can keep and guard me.

I choose to stay within Rod and Staff length of my Sheppard, so that His Rod and His Staff comfort me.


JLB

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Re: OSAS is biblical truth.

Jesus made us aware of the dangers outside. It's one thing to be aware, it's another thing to argue against his assurance.

Non-OSAS is not about arguing against his assurance. If you believe, and continue to believe, you have God's iron-clad promise of salvation. As long as you believe, nothing can take that away from the person who trusts God to make him/her righteous before Him through the blood of Christ. Nothing.

Faith is how that promise is secured, and faith is how it is guarded until the Day of Redemption. No faith--no promise. It's as simple as that.

 

[JLB]

Do you know that for sure? Maybe one of God's angels compelled you to believe.

Maybe it was an angel that appeared as a man that compelled me to repent and obey the Gospel message, and be baptized.

 

[JLB]

1. Blessed assurance, Jesus is mine!
O what a foretaste of glory divine!
Heir of salvation, purchase of God,
born of his Spirit, washed in his blood.
Refrain:
This is my story, this is my song,
praising my Savior all the day long;
this is my story, this is my song,
praising my Savior all the day long.

2. Perfect submission, perfect delight,
visions of rapture now burst on my sight;
angels descending bring from above
echoes of mercy, whispers of love.
(Refrain)

3. Perfect submission, all is at rest;
I in my Savior am happy and blest,
watching and waiting, looking above,
filled with his goodness, lost in his love.
(Refrain)

You have a beautiful voice Reba.

Please keep singing.

 

[JLB]

The promises given to Abraham were conditional upon obedience .

I'm so glad he obeyed.

 

[Brother Mike]

Re: OSAS is biblical truth.

Faith is how that promise is secured, and faith is how it is guarded until the Day of Redemption. No faith--no promise. It's as simple as that.

Well, I have certainly seen people start off in the insurance of faith in the grace of God that the Lord Jesus saves through our faith in Him. I met a girl who did that while she was young and a teen but she went to college and changed her belief that there are many ways to get saved outside of Jesus though the teaching in college. In fact she told us she does not believe like she use to as a teen as she was "Enlightened"

I can remember her at just 16 years old, telling me at 22 that I need Jesus or I would go to hell and Jesus was the only way. She worked with me at McDonalds, and was a very annoying little girl. All she talked about was Jesus.

Many years later after I gave my life for Jesus to do what he says do, and confess him Lord, my wife and I ran into this women who had been married, been through college and I was excited to talk about Jesus to her as I figured she was still going strong. She got offended and that was no longer the case, she said she no longer believed that anymore and it was just bondage to believe in just Jesus as the only way.

She was lost, and I had nothing to say to her from the Lord.

There are reasons we are warned in the Word about Science so falsely called, Genealogies, and false things different from what we first heard losing our first love. The warnings are there for a very specific reason.

Mike.

 

[JLB]

Re: OSAS is biblical truth.

Faith is how that promise is secured, and faith is how it is guarded until the Day of Redemption. No faith--no promise. It's as simple as that.

Well, I have certainly seen people start off in the insurance of faith in the grace of God that the Lord Jesus saves through our faith in Him. I met a girl who did that while she was young and a teen but she went to college and changed her belief that there are many ways to get saved outside of Jesus though the teaching in college. In fact she told us she does not believe like she use to as a teen as she was "Enlightened"

I can remember her at just 16 years old, telling me at 22 that I need Jesus or I would go to hell and Jesus was the only way. She worked with me at McDonalds, and was a very annoying little girl. All she talked about was Jesus.

Many years later after I gave my life for Jesus to do what he says do, and confess him Lord, my wife and I ran into this women who had been married, been through college and I was excited to talk about Jesus to her as I figured she was still going strong. She got offended and that was no longer the case, she said she no longer believed that anymore and it was just bondage to believe in just Jesus as the only way.

She was lost, and I had nothing to say to her from the Lord.

There are reasons we are warned in the Word about Science so falsely called, Genealogies, and false things different from what we first heard losing our first love. The warnings are there for a very specific reason.

Mike.

Brother Mike,

Do you believe this girl was saved at the time she witnessed to you?


JLB

 

[Brother Mike]

Re: OSAS is biblical truth.

Brother Mike,

Do you believe this girl was saved at the time she witnessed to you?

I can't honestly answer that because I did not have the Holy Spirit at the time or a witness by the Holy Spirit that this was my sister in Christ. So I can't give that 100% answer that she was saved.

What I can say that if I looking back today with those things she said, her faithfulness in Church, her love of those bible study groups she went to, her always wanting to do right when I was drinking and waiting on the next party at that time, I would have to say she had given her life to Jesus and at the time was at least on the outside very sincerer.

As you know, (Most the time) you can tell if someone belongs to your Father in Heaven right away just by standing next to them, I did not have that ability at the time with this young lady.

Mike.