Matthew 24:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Are we not despising God when we willingly sin?
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OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?
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Matthew 24:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Are we not despising God when we willingly sin?
Cygnus
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Then I believe you misunderstand the verse....because all of us sin everyday. Typically when we sin it's intentional.
Your view would say no one is saved.
Nathan
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No, some people do not even know about God - yet they sin willingly.
Think about the example I gave you. Sometimes we do things that others want us to do - but it does not mean we are slaves to them. Sometimes we do it because we want to, sometimes we do it even when we don't want to, but it does not mean we are slaves to them.
There is a difference between doing something that God does not want us to do, and being against God.
Cygnus
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You didn't reply to this question...
When we sin we sin against God....are you saying Jesus isn't God?
The question above was in response to what you posted...."You still did not answer my question - where do you find that when we sin we are against Jesus?"
Nathan
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No missunderstanding here. The verse is plain for all to see. Do you not believe what the verse says?
1Jo 3:8-9
Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.
Do you believe that someone who makes a practice of sinning is of the devil?
Cygnus
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To be honest....I find no sense in that statement. If you do something God doesn't want you to do...then you are against God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
Cygnus
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Every Christian sins....intentionally.
I'm talking about Spiritually born again Christians, not those who do not know God.
What is the difference because as I see it if we are doing something God doesn't want us to do then I would say we are coming (rebelling) against Him.
Nathan
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I don't make a practice of sinning, do you?
Nathan
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I think that this is a common held belief, but is there Biblical support for it?
Seabass
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God has a general love for all mankind (John 3:16) but when it comes to the Christian and remaining saved, God's love is conditional. Jude commanded "Keep yourselves in the love of God" Jude 1:21 implying the Christian can fall from God's love. The Christian must conditionally keep God's commands to conditionally continue to abide in God's love, John 14:23; John 15:10. The Christian must conditionally continue to obey God's command to repent of sins to continue to be saved/abide in God's love.
Salvation is conditional not unconditional as OSAS claims.
Cygnus
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What you are presenting is works based salvation.
Deuteronomy 32:50,51 we read how Moses trespassed (sinned) against God and the consequences for his actions he was not allowed to go with the Israelite's into the promised land. This doesn't mean that God shut Himself off from Moses, but that since he sinned against God he lost the promise of being able to go into Canaan and was to die in the mount and be gathered with his people.
This is the same with Hebrews 10:26. If we sin willingly after knowing the truth then we pay the consequences for that sin and like Moses we must humble ourselves before the Lord.
As a Spiritually born again child of God He will forgive all our sin when we repent of it. The only sin God will never forgive is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, Matthew 12:31, so OSAS flies out the door because there have been those who have blasphemed against the Holy Spirit even after knowing the truth.
Seabass
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Salvation does require obedience to the will of God. No way around that.
chessman
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Implying??? How so?
Jude 1:1 Jude, a slave of Jesus Christ and brother of James, to those who are called, loved in God the Father and kept for Jesus Christ.
"Kept" is in the perfect tense, passive (same as loved in God).
Are you implying that the Father fails at keeping the called for Jesus Christ?
BTW, you chopped off Jude's sentence:
Jude 1:20-21 But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith, by praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, looking forward to the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life.
The called can, in fact, "build ourselves up" by praying more and loving more and looking forward to the mercy of our Lord more. This imples zero about losing salvation.
Cygnus
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What is the sin of....blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?
Cygnus
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That will is to trust in Christ.
According to your theology all people are damned with no hope of salvation....why?...every christian isn't obedient. Sure, sometimes we are....but not always.
billybalke
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Mark 3 answers that very clear.