Other voices

[rpguy]

Consider this, you have an illness that can manufacture any sensory form of information.

Such as:

Auditory
Visual
Taste
Touch
Smell
&Feel

These are the 5 + base senses we all take for granted, but my brain can create false readings.

Here's my question:

God has to be met by one of these sensors in order to communicate with me, but how can I trust my sense's when they can operate as invisibly as God.

Can you perceive the dilemma I face

God is supposed to communicate with me via one of my sensors invisibly.

A psychotic affected mind can manufacture sensory information invisibly.

And don't just say the usual ok, thank you.

 

[Edward]

God has to be met by one of these sensors in order to communicate with me, but how can I trust my sense's when they can operate as invisibly as God.

Brother Pegasus gave you the answer in this;

14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The Lord is not met with the natural senses. The Lord is met with your spiritual senses if He wants to be. To receive the things of the Spirit of God, they would be spiritually discerned and in fact, you may not even realize that it's taking place when it happens. Scripture says that His Holy Spirit will come bear witness with your spirit...which does not take place in the conscious mind. If you want it in your conscious mind, then you must go to His Word...That's how the Holy Spirit operates. So when you said this,

A bunch of Bible verses won't cure me reba, the doctors that help me would be out of a job if they approached my illness with bible verses.

You were partially right and partially wrong. The Spirit's witness has been, for the most part written. First, we understand that all Scripture is given by "inspiration" (2 Timothy 3:16,17). That which has been written is adequate to answer all of our spiritual need for guidance, including the giving of assurance that we are right with God.

"Inspiration" is the method by which God led the writers of Scripture to record the things they did. This ensured that the things they wrote were what God intended, and was accomplished by the Holy Spirit guiding them in the things they wrote. The recorded words are from and by the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 2:13).

The things written are there by God's decree, not man's and give us everything pertaining to life and godliness (2 Peter 1:21,3). When we read these words, the words of the Bible, we are told that we "can understand" that which had been revealed "to His holy apostles and prophets in the Spirit." (Ephesians 3:4,5).

Jesus promised to send the Holy Spirit to guide those who had accompanied Him "from the beginning" of His ministry (John 15:26,27). This particular promise concerning the Holy Spirit was given just to the apostles, the ones who had accompanied Him (many do not understand this, but even a quick look at verse 27 as well as the context shows this is so). It was not spoken to all disciples in general. Jesus explains this is necessary so the apostles could be taught "all things" and be led to a perfect "remembrance of all that I said to you." (John 14:26). Simply put, this means that nothing has been left out of the inspired record. "All things" necessary have been revealed and recalled to apostolic memory, and recorded for us in the pages of the New Testament. By the time of the death of John, the last surviving apostle who had been with Jesus, the inspired writings of the New Covenant were complete. Then the only remaining task was to assemble them into one book, the New Testament.

It is too bad that not everyone has faith in God's power and Jesus' promise concerning this, insisting instead that we must have some sort of extra-biblical guidance. Some say we must have modern day prophets to reveal additional truths. Others say religious leaders should occasionally update the Biblical teachings through creed making. Why is their faith in God so small? John, speaking in behalf of all the inspired apostles, said, "We are from God; he who knows God listens to us; he who is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error." (1 John 4:6). It is the keeping the commandments given us by the Spirit that the Scriptures link to how we know the Spirit is in us. "And the one who keeps the commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And we know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit which he has given us." (1 John 3:24).

The Spirit bears witness that we have become God's children by informing us what is involved in becoming such. If you have done what the Spirit says, then the Spirit says you are a child of God.

The Spirit tells us that we become children of God by faith. We are told this entails being baptized to put on Christ (Galatians 3:26,27). This has to be so because it is the Holy Spirit's testimony. If I, in my spirit, can say, "I have done that." then the Holy Spirit bears witness with my Spirit that I am a child of God.

But if I must say, "I have not done that" then I have the Spirit's testimony that I am not a child of God (Acts 2:38; 22:16; Colossians 2:12, etc.).

So you see, if you want to connect with and draw closer to God, you will spend time reading His Word and meditating on it (don't just read it like a book). Pray before reading His Word, for revelation and understanding in His Word. For me, many times, me reading His Word is like a prayer almost, I talk to God while reading. What's that mean, Lord? :yes

 

[Mike]

(1) Does God have to be met with the 5+ base senses?

For the sake of brevity, I'm only quoting your first sentence, but this was too good to be overlooked. rpguy you asked for a substantive response and seemed to move past your first one right away. I have to ask if you took it in.

 

[Brock]

Consider this, you have an illness that can manufacture any sensory form of information.

Such as:

Auditory
Visual
Taste
Touch
Smell
&Feel

These are the 5 + base senses we all take for granted, but my brain can create false readings.

Here's my question:

God has to be met by one of these sensors in order to communicate with me, but how can I trust my sense's when they can operate as invisibly as God.

Can you perceive the dilemma I face

God is supposed to communicate with me via one of my sensors invisibly.

A psychotic affected mind can manufacture sensory information invisibly.

And don't just say the usual ok, thank you.

You can't measure gods power you can put 1000 barriers in his way and he'll knock them down in a blink of an eye you can't confine him to human standards and knowledge he's the alpha and the Omega the first and the last the beginning and the end Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD. Please I urge to accept Christ in your life today and repent of your sins God promises if you do this you will be saved and God has never and will never break his promises. God Is very real just as real as you and me.

 

[Garion]

Consider this.... There are a race of people who use a thing that they call a network......get back to me later on this one.

 

[K2CHRIST]

Consider this, you have an illness that can manufacture any sensory form of information.

Such as:

Auditory
Visual
Taste
Touch
Smell
&Feel

These are the 5 + base senses we all take for granted, but my brain can create false readings.

Here's my question:

God has to be met by one of these sensors in order to communicate with me, but how can I trust my sense's when they can operate as invisibly as God.

Can you perceive the dilemma I face

God is supposed to communicate with me via one of my sensors invisibly.

A psychotic affected mind can manufacture sensory information invisibly.

And don't just say the usual ok, thank you.

God is spirit, so He communicates with us through His Holy Spirit to our spirit. He does not use our physical senses (eg. Auditory, Visual, Taste, Touch, Smell). God did however make the heavens and then the earth. That is to say that there are patterns on earth that are like heaven. We have physical ears, and it turns out that we have spiritual ears. We have physical eyes, and it turns out we have spiritual eyes, and so on.

For example: look at Gen 15:1 ... the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision, saying...

Abram saw the Lord in a dream: was that Visual? We don't see vision we our physical eyes, but with our spiritual eyes. Abram heard God saying to him "..." in that vision. Was that with his physical ears? Certainly not, we don't hear something in a visions with our physical ears but with our spiritual ears.

Yet we read in the Bible that many do not hear with their ears and see with their eyes.

Jn 12:40 HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEARTS, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.

Mat 13:14 Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.

Of course people have physical eyes and ears, and people hear and see with them, but thinking God uses those senses show a lack of understanding. Again, God is spirit, and so we are looking for words from His Spirit to our spirit.

Jn 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life. But there are some of you who do not believe.

You have to seek the Lord by faith. If you seek Him you will find Him, but where do you find His words? Is it in your physical ears? Is it on pages with ink on them? My friends, God spoke to people in the past with His Spirit to their spirit, and they understood where to find His words.

Rom 10: 8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, in your mouth and in your heart" - that is, the word of faith which we are preaching.

It is amazing. We are preaching that we find the word of God near us, in our mouth and in our heart, and we tell them that God is spirit and about the Holy Spirit of God, but they think they must have to hear sound waves with their physical ears, which must be processed with their mind.

Jn 16:13 But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own Initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak...

I can show people the Scriptures. I can testify about hearing Him. I can give them all this information, but to really believe they must seek Him themselves, because it is also written the faith comes from hearing. Rm 10:17

They must seek the Lord Jesus Christ. If they do they will find Him. Oh, maybe not with a quick half hearted effort, but if they truly want to seek the Lord they will find Him. That too is written about in the Bible.

 

[Edward]

There all the bases senses one has to interpret any information, I can't see how the spirit of God can communicate with someone deprived of any sense.

So when the spirit of God talks to you in it's voice, is that not an internal auditory stimulation?

Or when the spirit of God moves you in praise or worship, is that not an emotional stimulation?

Or when the spirit shows you something spiritual in your mind or outside of yourself, is that not a visual stimulation?

A schizophrenic mind can create such thing's and more.

Sorry Brother but you have that wrong. It's not your flesh senses with which you engage God, but your spiritual senses. Through your spirit.

You've never been taught that and neither have I, but they're very real. Part of becoming as a little child is setting aside the flesh, it's senses, intellect and so forth. Then walk in the Spirit using your spiritual senses.

For every natural sense that you have, there's a corresponding spiritual one...at least. .

 

[Douglas Summers]

Consider this, you have an illness that can manufacture any sensory form of information.

Such as:

Auditory
Visual
Taste
Touch
Smell
&Feel

These are the 5 + base senses we all take for granted, but my brain can create false readings.

Here's my question:

God has to be met by one of these sensors in order to communicate with me, but how can I trust my sense's when they can operate as invisibly as God.

Can you perceive the dilemma I face

God is supposed to communicate with me via one of my sensors invisibly.

A psychotic affected mind can manufacture sensory information invisibly.

And don't just say the usual ok, thank you.

Hi RP, Any psychotic effected mind is affected by Chemical imbalance. It is a hard life to be that way. They have many new medicines that can Help, But if you sincerely called upon the name of the Lord, He can heal, and will bring you home.

 

[WorshipWeapon]

There all the bases senses one has to interpret any information, I can't see how the spirit of God can communicate with someone deprived of any sense.

So when the spirit of God talks to you in it's voice, is that not an internal auditory stimulation?

Or when the spirit of God moves you in praise or worship, is that not an emotional stimulation?

Or when the spirit shows you something spiritual in your mind or outside of yourself, is that not a visual stimulation?

A schizophrenic mind can create such thing's and more.

Dear rpguy,

Having made us, and having been familiar with our particular quirks and idiosyncrasies, our God is aware of the difficulties you might have in discerning His voice from a sensory channel you have listed, whether internal or external. Jesus stated very clearly that His sheep know His voice, and He knows them, in John 10:27-30. One way to become familiar with how He speaks is to read what He has already spoken in the gospel stories in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Another way is to hang out with other believers who can share what it is like to recognize His voice. They have had practice discerning the difference between God’s voice and their own, including unusual sensory experiences. Finally, Jesus tells us that if we ask God for something, He will not trick us and give us something evil. See Luke 11:11-13. Jesus tells us no parent will give his or her child a snake when asked for a fish to eat, and God is a far better parent than any human could be. Our relationship with God is developed and strengthened with practice and time. If you ask God to show you who He is and what He is like, including how He feels about you, He will respond in a way you can understand. I’m not certain you’re saying you have schizophrenia, or if this is a general question. One way to help the process of learning God’s voice is to quiet the other distracting noise by consistently taking prescribed medication. I know that’s tough, but it will help with this journey. I will pray for you about this.

Peace,
WW

 

[Razeontherock]

Sorry Brother but you have that wrong. It's not your flesh senses with which you engage God, but your spiritual senses. Through your spirit.

You've never been taught that and neither have I, but they're very real. Part of becoming as a little child is setting aside the flesh, it's senses, intellect and so forth. Then walk in the Spirit using your spiritual senses.

For every natural sense that you have, there's a corresponding spiritual one...at least. .

This is really powerful stuff. Sight in the Spirit realm is Faith. Our sense of smell in the Spirit is Hope.

Hearing and touch have definitive parallels too. I can't place them right now, I guess I'm a little out of touch? Lol

 

[WorshipWeapon]

This is really powerful stuff. Sight in the Spirit realm is Faith. Our sense of smell in the Spirit is Hope.

Hearing and touch have definitive parallels too. I can't place them right now, I guess I'm a little out of touch? Lol

This is interesting. Can you please say more, or say where this enlightenment comes from? It is new and seems like it could be very useful for others.

Thanks,
WW

 

[Razeontherock]

This is interesting. Can you please say more, or say where this enlightenment comes from? It is new and seems like it could be very useful for others.

Thanks,
WW

While this comes from my own walk with the Lord, I've also had the chance to hear many other believers speak to this, and to discuss it with at least a few.

I hope it helps others, and especially our OP! There's a very sincere heart there.

In the same way that we see with our eyes, when we see what's going on Spiritually, that's Faith. So if the OP realizes that Faith can be fed, (by hearing and hearing the Word) that will bring Hope of being able to commune with God. That Hope can be much like when we smell a nice home cooked meal coming from the kitchen, it whets our appetite.

I would like our OP to experience this, and we can be sure it is the will of God

 

[WorshipWeapon]

While this comes from my own walk with the Lord, I've also had the chance to hear many other believers speak to this, and to discuss it with at least a few.

I hope it helps others, and especially our OP! There's a very sincere heart there.

In the same way that we see with our eyes, when we see what's going on Spiritually, that's Faith. So if the OP realizes that Faith can be fed, (by hearing and hearing the Word) that will bring Hope of being able to commune with God. That Hope can be much like when we smell a nice home cooked meal coming from the kitchen, it whets our appetite.

I would like our OP to experience this, and we can be sure it is the will of God

Thanks for that, Raze. I agree, we can be sure it is the will of God for rpguy to experience that!

 

[Douglas Summers]

Consider this, you have an illness that can manufacture any sensory form of information.

Such as:

Auditory
Visual
Taste
Touch
Smell
&Feel

These are the 5 + base senses we all take for granted, but my brain can create false readings.

Here's my question:

God has to be met by one of these sensors in order to communicate with me, but how can I trust my sense's when they can operate as invisibly as God.

Can you perceive the dilemma I face

God is supposed to communicate with me via one of my sensors invisibly.

A psychotic affected mind can manufacture sensory information invisibly.

And don't just say the usual ok, thank you.

You have to believe God and know that you can not add to your salvation. Take Him at His word and be satisfied.

 

[K2CHRIST]

There is a basic misunderstanding that I too often see around Christianity, but it is nothing new. If we look at Saul/Paul, as told in the Bible, we see this problem. There was a man, Saul, who had extreme faith in God. Saul would have told you that and could prove it to you by his actions. He studied extensively. He was with a very religious and well educated group called Pharisees. Saul was indeed zealous for God. He was even going to imprison and worrisome sect which today we call Christians. Of course Christians, being people, today are often just like Saul. They know of God but they too often don't know God. So like Saul, they go to church, they read their Bible, but too often they don't actually seek the Lord and what He personally has to say to them.

When that happens, they preach going to church, or reading your Bible, and their faith is not put in a person, The Lord, but things and in people They show a misunderstanding of the spiritual, because God is spirit and it is the Spirit who lead us into all understanding, and they don't listen to the Spirit and the words of God that belong to Jesus Christ and come through the Spirit of God to our spirit.

Now we, like the Lord, love these people. They are trying according to their understanding. Sadly, they are not seeking the Lord for His understanding. In this thread we have seen the idea that God has to communicate to us through our physical senses. That is wrong; God communicates with us through our spiritual senses, not our physical senses. Of course, if you don't regularly listen and communicate with the Spirit of God you will not understand this. You are going to have to rely on your understanding or start seeking the Lord. Still, telling someone that might not give them understanding. So they might seek the Scriptures thinking in them they will get eternal life. But that is not putting your faith in the existence of Jesus Christ and is not actually seeking Him, it is seeking information about Him.

Now the Scriptures are able to give you wisdom that can lead to salvation, which is through Christ Jesus, but they might not. You actually have to believe what is written is correct, and what is written is that if you seek for the Lord Jesus Christ you will find Him. His sheep do hear His voice, but His word are spirit. All this is recorded in the Scriptures. Still, Saul knew what Moses had written, about the word being near us and Saul didn't get us, despite his zeal for God. Saul had a zeal, but not according to him personally knowing the Lord. There is nothing new under the Sun.

So Saul is on the road going off to serve God, at least according to his understanding. Then a voice speaks to Saul, and wow is Saul shaken up! Saul hears this voice that shakes him up and those around realize something is going on but are not sure what it is. That is say, that since God is spirit, those people picked up God communicating to Saul in their spirit but not with their physical senses, so a later account shows this. Now Saul is sure, though. He has now hear the Lord speaking to him.

The hearing gave Saul faith, but not like the faith he had before. And I am not sure saying Saul's faith "got fed" is a very good representation. You see, Saul certainly believe God existed before, but that faith wasn't going to save him. Yet hearing the Lord speak to him personal gave him another type of faith, not just more faith.

Now none of this had anything to do with chemicals in your brain. You flesh is one day going away, but you will still pick up the Lord with your spirit. So a person in different physical conditions can still pick up the Spirit of God with their spirit. Perhaps they won't be able to communicate with us and use their physical sense very well. There brain might have problems, but somewhere there is still spiritual communication. Also it should be pointed out that the Holy Spirit is not the only spirit out there. So people get angry, or confused, depressed, and so on, and it might be a result of a physical problem, but it could have something to do with a spiritual problem. Why was Saul wanting to jail up people, and hold the coat of people stoning other people? There was a spiritual problem.

Yet it is written that the Spirit gives life and that His words are spirit and are life, so life comes from hearing the Lord. Healing comes from hearing the Lord. Encouragement comes from hearing the Lord. Even if our flesh fades away, and has problems in our old age, and even if the chemicals in our brain have problems, and even if we are placed on a cross and killed, the Spirit still gives life. So we need to listen. It will take faith, the faith that says He is indeed there to be heard from. That is the faith we are preaching. That is to say, the Word of God we are preaching is near us; in our heart and on our lips, and that is where you will find Him.

 

[K2CHRIST]

A bunch of Bible verses won't cure me reba, the doctors that help me would be out of a job if they approached my illness with bible verses.

Bible verses certainly don't cure us, but God can. The verses are suppose to explain that.

Now I am not saying He is going to, though I believe if we get to know Him we will at some point be healed. I don't expect to see lots of people walking around with sickness and problems that need healing in heaven. I do realize that it is also written that all flesh is like grass and it is going to fade away. And there is something about us dying once. It is not this life in the flesh we are looking forward to. Still, I have seen God heal so many times. I personally had a knee I messed up while surfing get hot and instantly healed when prayed for. Also I had a growth about the size of a small marble shrink and disappear when I started asking Jesus to remove it. Also I had a neck pain one day and asked a Christian friend to pray for it and it instantly went away. Those are just personal testimonies that I had healing for, and I work in a healing ministry and accordingly saw some hundreds tell me they got healed when we prayed to them. And many many times we got testimonies that related to mental things, from clarity, anxiety, anger, depression, and so forth. Not also though, but from my years working in that ministry I say about 2 in three people reported at least some noticeable effects even if not complete, but often we got a testimony from the person being prayed for that there healing, pain, or problem did completely get fixed.

Still, God does not seem to like the scoffer. It is not always easy to tell who the scoffer is, but I feel God knows. So I don't know who the scoffer is, nor do I understand why some get healing and others don't. I can tell you a lot of things I did see in the years working in the Christian healing ministry. For example, often if we lead people in forgiveness and prayed for them again they then got healing. Sometimes I would have them seek the voice of the Lord and how He felt about them, then we would pray again for them and then see healing. Sometimes bringing in a number of people and getting them all to prayer would bring healing. And I always liked it when I heard the Lord tell me of something He wanted to heal, even when the person didn't tell us about it. Most of the times He told me of an unreported problem we saw healing when we prayed for it, but not always then either. But does going to a doctor always fix your problem?

Honestly, based upon my years of experience (between 5 and 7 years) I would think prayer probably generally works as well as going to the doctor. I think people, and especially Christians, are foolish not to actively seek prayer for their problems. Everyone seeks the doctor, but we often didn't get the people coming in for prayer until after the doctors could get the healing done.

I can't begin to count the number of times people told me that the doctors weren't able to help them, and then see the Lord fix the problem. And even more incredible were the number of times the Lord would tell me a problem the person had and they had not even considered asking for prayer (when coming to the healing ministry) for it because the doctors had been able to cure it. They would come in for something like direction, or clarity, or something like that and I'd hear the small voice start telling me they had a problem with their shoulder, or back, or stomach, or side, or whatever. So I'd asked them about it and they would be surprised that I knew about their pain.

We are talking "Christians", surprised that we (us working specifically in the Christian healing ministry) might hear from the Lord about their pain. It happened so often I was expecting that it would happen at least once at some point during the evening I worked in the ministry. Sometimes it was apparently really bad too.

The last time I was working a man came in wanting prayer for his sister and his family in general. The Lord told me that the man need prayer for his shoulder, so we prayed for his family and I prayed anxiety and stress off his shoulders ( thought he didn't mention a thing about that) but felt like the problem was still there. I asked him if he felt a little lighter now, and he said he did. But I decided to ask him if he was also having some pain in the shoulders, because the Lord had actually pointed out there was pain, and I don't know if it had gone away. He told me he did indeed have pain in his shoulder. So I asked him on a scale of 1 to 10 how was the pain. Then I found out he was hurting really bad, but wasn't sure he should tell me. He said the pain was about a nine when he came in and was a little better now but was still about a seven of eight. He left saying it was almost completely gone, and now maybe was a 1 or 2. We also got a word from the Lord to pray for new clothes for him, which really blew him away, because the clothes he was wearing were borrowed. He was in need of so much and we would have had no idea if not for the Lord speaking to us.

Yeah, we can say the verses are not going to heal us, and we would be right in saying that. But the verses were not meant to heal you, they were written to tell you that God does heal people. I can testify that the Lord Jesus Christ indeed does heal people! But I will also tell you that I didn't always see someone healed every time we prayed for them. That is tough, really tough.

 

[brother Paul]

Consider this, you have an illness that can manufacture any sensory form of information.

Such as:

Auditory
Visual
Taste
Touch
Smell
&Feel

These are the 5 + base senses we all take for granted, but my brain can create false readings.

Here's my question:

God has to be met by one of these sensors in order to communicate with me, but how can I trust my sense's when they can operate as invisibly as God.

Can you perceive the dilemma I face

God is supposed to communicate with me via one of my sensors invisibly.

A psychotic affected mind can manufacture sensory information invisibly.

And don't just say the usual ok, thank you.

Why is it not an equally plausible explanation that SOME humans on occasion or under the right (or corrupted) conditions can perceive in areas of the spectrum (sight and sound) that normal humans cannot perceive in? We know there are sounds outside our range of hearing and sights as well so why should humans be convinced these are all hallucinations? Do we really believe the proposterous, limited explanation of what flies see? We are not a fly and therefore have ZERO actual evidence for the materialist explanation we have been indoctrinated to believe.

 

[K2CHRIST]

What I don't get is how people read the Bible, see things like God is spirit, and "the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life" (Jn 6:63) and Jesus actually tells others "you cannot hear My word" and despite all this explanation people, even "Christian" people keep thinking that somehow God is going to speak to us in sounds waves, or maybe sound waves that only certain people can hear.

The Lord speaks to people. He stands at the door and knocks with His voice and if anyone hears Him and opens the door He will come into them, (Rev 3:20) and we know the word of faith we preach is found on our lips and in our hearts (Rm 10:8), so we are not preaching that God communicates with us with sound waves, or do we put our physical ear on our heart to hear those words coming from the Lord?

It is mentioned that His sheep hear His voice, an through the prophets over and over God told us to listen to Him. "Listen to Me, O house of Jacob" (Is 46:3) "Hear the word which the Lord speaks to you, O house of Isreal" (Jer 10:1) - and yet we supposedly hear and still don't understanding we heard in our spirit from His Holy Spirit? How can this be. How can we hear His 'still small voice' inside us and still think somehow it's sound waves? I don't get it!

I go walking and talking with Him. He speaks to me, and tells me lots of things. Things like "YOU DIDN’T MAKE ME AN AWESOME GOD, BUT YOU CAN MAKE ME AN AWESOME GOD." I didn't hear that with my physical ears but with my spiritual ears. It was that small voice of the Lord, and that is not sound waves. It is not sound waves that are at a different frequency, either! Anyone regularly hearing the Lord speak to them would know that, right? How could they not?

I don't want to come across as not being understanding, but I don't understand. And I do want people to seek the Lord Jesus Christ and listen to what He says through the Holy Spirit, of whom it is written that He doesn't speak on His own initiative but as He hears He speaks. The Spirit acts like a living telephone line to our Lord. Still, the words of God our spirit coming from the Holy Spirit to our spirit. Do we not make that clear to others?

 

[Autumnxsweet]

I know a story of a girl who said God would talk to her and tell her that she is special because she was obedient, special in her fasting life, telling her she was very good and so she was very strict in her religion

Another girl would fornicate because God was there with her telling her it was okay because it was with *Him* (sorry I know that might get some people talking)

Both people thought the house were talking to God but others see them with a mental illness.

 

[K2CHRIST]

I know a story of a girl who said God would talk to her and tell her that she is special because she was obedient, special in her fasting life, telling her she was very good and so she was very strict in her religion

Another girl would fornicate because God was there with her telling her it was okay because it was with *Him* (sorry I know that might get some people talking)

Both people thought the house were talking to God but others see them with a mental illness.

Were the both talking to God?

There is both good and evil in the spiritual or heavenly realm. The Bible is clear about that and so too are those that serve the Lord Jesus Christ. Just because a person can hear with their spiritual ears, it doesn't mean they are hearing God. We need to test the spirits!!

1 Jn 4:1-3 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God; every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is nor from God.

You'll note that in the above test (which we are commanded to use) it is specifically a tests for spirits!! You'll will note that to use it you must first be able to hear with your spiritual ears!! Or how else are you going to listen to what the spirit confesses? Also you might want to note that it was specifically written to those John called "Beloved". We need to love our neighbor, but First John seems to specifically be written to the church as in His sheep hear His voice.

Now the devil doesn't want us seeking the voice of the Lord. That snake wants us doubting we can hear from God. Remember the first words the snake spoke -"Did God really say". Getting you to doubt that you can hear the Lord is the main strategy of Satan ( but not the only one). So if the snake can trick one person then advertise it and bring confusion, like saying "look at that person that thinks they are hearing God and obviously are not" isn't it obvious what the snake is up to? the snake is basically saying, "Look that person isn't hearing from God but the devil so don't believe you can hear form God"

It's not that hard to understand, and the Lord is going to let you hear both good and evil, so you will learn to understand! God said, "I have set before good and evil." So he did do just that, choose good that you might live. But note: there is also something written about some not ears but not hearing, otherwise they would turn back to God.

God is spirit, and you had better seek Him, but test the spirits and choose good. It is that simple!

Ok, sometimes it is not all that easy to tell who is who. So seek the Lord, because all who seek find. Use the test, because you are commanded to. Practice hearing, because like in all things practice helps. Study your Bible, because all this is explained in the Bible and why should you not know all this. Seek Wisdom and reason with the Lord, just like the explained in the Bible. And let us not be so simple minded as to think that just because someone isn't dong the above they have it correct just because they claim to be religious. Will not each person be accountable to the Lord themselves? That would include you and I.

I don't know about everything. Could the girl have a problem that God is working on with her? It doesn't sound right. It doesn't sound like she is testing the spirits, but people have problems that God will help them with, but I would not presume to know all the ways of God. And I especially wouldn't after seeing Him work in my life and listen to Him myself. It's written that His ways are not are ways. As high as the heavens are above the earth so are His ways above our ways. And if anyone wants to really understanding that, let them start listening to Him Which remind me; discernment of spirits is a gift of the Spirit and the Spirit speaks.

Frankly, I would expect God is in both the above stories. The Lord does love obedience, and will tell you that you are special to Him, like in the first case. And God helps people, though not always like you think. I would think the second girl probably knows she shouldn't be dong what she is doing and God is probably trying to convict her of that. So she might be saying it is ok ( because she hears the Lord and the Lord did forgive us our sins) but she is probably feeling a bit worse about it every time she does it. She might not be hearing she is "special" from the Lord, but at least she claims she is seeking Him, and it is written that all who seek find. Maybe she is finding more that just Him, and needs to test the spirits a bit more, but that is better than the person that doesn't seek the Lord. Who have they found? The snake?

 

[Hawkins]

God is supposed to communicate with me via one of my sensors invisibly.

A psychotic affected mind can manufacture sensory information invisibly.

You have missed out something.

First, the most important criteria is that humans need faith to be saved. Under most circumstance, God won't destroy faith to leave hard evidence. There's always a hard mark for this, which is, no one sees God's face directly. Even under the circumstance that God established a fact-to-face and persistent communication with Moses, it can be deemed as a "very close encounter" instead of "seeing the face of God".

So the question boils down to how God would communicate with humans under the fundamental criteria that faith remains a must for our salvation.

Usually it's through a prayer-grant process such that you will be able to speculate a pattern how your prayer would be granted. However faith still plays a large part, as the "grant" comes from both how strong your faith is, and how close you can be to God at the moment of your prayer. This usually works for Christians/believers only (as long as faith plays a part of the process).

Christians are also given the Holy Spirit, such that they can do their speculation (of a pattern) to the next level. It's not about how individual guided by the Holy Spirit. It's about all second born Christians in the many churches are share the same kind of perception and speculation. There is an intangible discernment to prevent one claims that "my perception must be right". There's an intangible criteria for Christians to tell if you are truly with the Holy Spirit or not. That's why you can't simply claim that a sensory information is from the Holy Spirit without reconciling with a pattern detected by the mass of them.

Moreover, it's not always about your 5 senses. It can go unambiguously in the case that a message needs to be delivered. It's basically a trick "of the future". For an example, if I'd like to ask you to bring a cup to a certain place. I would tell you in your dreams that just press the cup 3 times to a crack in it. The cup is originally perfect, so you press it for once, then all of a sudden you see a crack in the cup. The you put the cup into your backpack and start to deliver it to the destination. In the middle of the way, you take the cup out of your backpack and notice that the crack is no longer their, then you press it again then the crack re-appeared again. You do the same when you walk near the destination to see this happens again. The same miracle in reality happens repeatedly which is foretold in a dream. What will you say now? A chosen person in this case should have faith that it's God who asked him to deliver the cup to a dedicated location. God told him so through a dream. However, say, 10 years later you can still hesitate with doubt that whether it's shear fluke or coincidence or not. That is, you still need faith even when you are a chosen prophet of some kind, like Paul.



Acts 14:3 (NIV2011)
So Paul and Barnabas spent considerable time there, speaking boldly for the Lord, who confirmed the message of his grace by enabling them to perform signs and wonders.