Pagan roots of Christmas & Easter

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The name of the holiday is "Pascha", not Easter. Germans and the English, who did not create the holiday, decided not to use "Pascha" when Christianized and instead used "Easter".[/i]

 

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See Hislop thread, click link to contents, scroll down to those pagan festivals

& see these sources

Pagan Holidays: Christmas and Easter Exposed!

Christmas (Christ Mass) and Easter (Pascha) are not pagan holidays. Christmas is the date that Christ's birth is celebrated on the liturgical calender. Thus, the people gather together at Mass to celebrate- Christ-Mass.

Easter/Pascha is a day people celebrate the resurrection of Christ on the liturgical calender. It has nothing to do with paganism.

When various pagan cultures converted to Christianity, many of them kept some of their cultural traditions from pagan holidays and used them to celebrate the new Christian holidays. If you cook a goose every winter to celebrate some pagan day, then you will probably want to cook a goose on Christmas after you convert.

There's nothing wrong with it.

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Come on, we are not catholic blind baby kittens, bring in some of God's Word for celebrating Christ with colored light bulbs, green trees, colored eggs from chickens? plus rabbits??? :robot: Anything from His Word will suffice.

And these postings (yours included) tell the world that these are not pagan customs? :roll: We do believe in telling the truth according to the Covenant of God, right? 2 Corinthians 4:2
Look, nothing personal, but there is no way to [call or post] that pagan stuff is Gods Truth!
All this proves is that if satan catches the person from the first six years of his life, he has a great chance of having his 'junk' being accepted & believed all of his life.

And I agree with him. When one accepts pagan stuff for Gods way, they will just about accept anything else! Look at the complete text of the Masters Word of Revelation 17:1-5 all in capes!

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I guess your calender at home is in Hebrew? Or do you call Sunday Sunday?

You are confusing pagan religion with pagan customs. You may as well call eating Indian food unChristian because it comes from pagans. There is a difference between preserving aspects of your culture and aspects of your religion. Paganism was not preserved by Christians. Pagan Christians did often preserve their culture.

You got a problem with it? You better it take it up with Paul and Peter for telling the Gentiles it was okay to keep their culture and not take up the jewish culture and customs.

Heck, they were told they could keeptheir pagan traditions instead of picking up Jewish religious practices of eating pork, being circumcised, etc

 

[John the Baptist]

You say:
So, I don't accept the 'fact' that the Hebrew/Jewish bloodline IS God's chosen simply for the sake of MY OWN understanding, I accept this offering because it is God's will. Always has been and always WILL be. The relationship between God and man began in that part of the world with a 'particular' people and I believe it will END THERE, (as far as the world we know today), with the SAME people. That they have turned their backs on Him over and over just goes to offer us understanding of JUST how deep God's love can be.

MEC
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John here:
Lets see if we can agree 'some' on this paragraph of yours above?
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So, I don't accept the 'fact' that the Hebrew/Jewish bloodline IS God's chosen simply for the sake of MY OWN understanding, I accept this offering because it is God's will. Always has been and always WILL be.

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I see no problem with that perhaps? If what we are seeing is a pedigree or 'bloodline' of a separated blessed people who become Israel, so to speak? That has always been? Heavens Obedient even, with Adam even before sin? A people that the Godhead wanted to use after the fall for the testimony of Christ to the whole earth for their opportunity to be brought back from eternal loss to this Born Again perfect race? (for lack of a better word? How about the real Zion?)
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The relationship between God and man began in that part of the world with a 'particular' people and I believe it will END THERE, (as far as the world we know today), with the SAME people. That they have turned their backs on Him over and over just goes to offer us understanding of JUST how deep God's love can be.

MEC
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We do not see this exactly alike! :wink: But I do think that it is a half Truth. Most think that Paul layed down this as such as you say. But I say that the people see it wrong. (not Paul) And that God permitted the world to see it this way for the setting up of the antichrist. The same history as old Israel, Israel needed the power of Rome to execute Christ. And Israel made her own bed with the pronouncement that 'we have no king but Caesar'.

Now for the below! I will say that Israel stayed put, rejected Christ flagrantly & that the Remnant followed Christ [out]! Matthew 25:6. The Old Fold 'were shaken out' but stayed put! See Isaiah 5:3 in the K.J. last part of the verse. And that it is the Remnant that became the Church with the same Virgin doctrines along with the God/Christ of those doctrines. Got that? Compare Revelation 12:17.

And Old Israel? Surely, the New Candlestick (Virgin Fold) or Revelation 2:5 finds an removed old one, replaced as stated! (but still with having only 'seven' Virgin church's) And these ones were the Remnant of old Israel that started the makeup of new Israel. See Romans 2:28-29

---John

PS: And yes, from all of this, & these extra false 'folds' of Revelation 17:5, came Pagan Easter & a Christ/less/MASS!

 

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Christmas and Easter have nothing to do with paganism. If one understand the early Christian liturgical calender, which is much like the jewish calender, they would see this.

As you probably know, the Jewish calender celebrates significant events in judaism and 'holidays' and other such days are there to mark those occassions.

With Christianity, the Christians would celebrate Christian events. The whole year would become one cycle of Christ's life and the Gospel. It begins at advent, into Christmas, into lent (40 days of Christ in the desert) then Easter, then Pentecost and so on.

Other important biblical events would also be put in place. Later on, Christians would recognize a person's contributions to Christianity by marking specific dates. Modern examples are "Saint Patrick's Days" and "(Saint) Valentine's Day".

Christmas was the day we remembered when Christ was born on the liturgical calender. It was celebrated by having a Mass, thus, it was the Christ-Mass. It is based on the liturgical calender, which is based on the bible!

Unless judaism and the bible are 'pagan', Christmas and Easter most certainly are not.

 

[Poke]

I think so John, but I have still failed to find where you justify God 'abandoning' His chosen for the sake of the Gentiles.

God never did abandon his chosen people for the sake of the gentiles because the jews never were God's chosen people.

What I have gathered from scripture is that the Gentiles have been ADDED to the 'tree of life', grafted is the word actually used. I have NEVER encountered ANY scripture that God has 'changed' and I see that you accept His permenance. So 'when' did He decide to recant His offerings and abandon the Hebrews/Jews?

You know the very same passage that talks of grafting on of the gentiles says the jews were cut off. The only thing I need to point out is that the Jews were never attached in the first place by being Jews just as they were not cut off for ceasing to be of the jewish race. The passage tells why they were cut off. And, that's the same reason they were ever their to begin with.

I seem to remember that EVERY apostle was Jewish, Jesus Himself was born through the seed of David,

Yes, God told Abraham that the world would be blessed through his seed, Jesus. You confuse Jesus with the Jewish race.

Jesus preached in the temples, and even STATED at one point that He had NOT come to offer His gift to the 'dogs', (I believe indicating ANY 'other than' the Jews). Peter even battled furiously with Paul over the understanding of 'exactly' WHO Christ's gift was to benefit.

You say that Jesus stated that he had not come to give His gift to the dogs (gentiles), yet Jesus gave his gift to the gentile woman. Logically, that implies that Jesus is saying that gentiles are not dogs. I think Jesus was trying to teach his bigoted jewish followers a lesson.

So, I don't accept the 'fact' that the Hebrew/Jewish bloodline IS God's chosen simply for the sake of MY OWN understanding, I accept this offering because it is God's will. Always has been and always WILL be.

Even though this might mean nothing to you, I will remind you: You have as much jewish blood as anyone else who claims to be jewish.

I don't post verses for frivolous reasons, as do the pharisee-types who want to show the world how religious they are:
Galatians 3:29
If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[Poke]

Christmas and Easter have nothing to do with paganism.

The "Christian" enemies of Christmas and Easter want to turn these days into pagan holidays.

 

[Atonement]

God never did abandon his chosen people for the sake of the gentiles because the jews never were God's chosen people.

Poke, you need to start using Scripture here (serious). Being a Bible college grad. I would love for you to prove to me the Jewish nation was not the chosen people by God. I know both Greek and Hebrew. And we'll start there that the Original Word of God was written by Jewish people? Moses, Daniel, Jeremiah, Isaiah, David, Solomen, Esther etc etc etc and that is just the OT. I have read this entire thread and not ONE post has been said that proves with out a shadow of doubt that you are even remotely correct.

 

[Poke]

Just to back Imagican, do also read Genesis 12, Ezekiel 36, Jeremiah 31 & Romans 9-11

Did you even read any of those passages?

& to back John, 'Easter' also comes from pagan goddess Ishtar

I don't know about your church and your circle of friends. But, on this side of the sea, Ishtar is not part of our Easter celebrations. We celebrate Christ's resurrection.

 

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Christmas and Easter have nothing to do with paganism.

The "Christian" enemies of Christmas and Easter want to turn these days into pagan holidays.

Yup- promoting materialism and consumerism.

I just spend in with my family, exchanging a few gifts I might think of and going to Mass.

 

[Lewis]

God never did abandon his chosen people for the sake of the gentiles because the jews never were God's chosen people.

!!!!!!WHAT!!!!!!Poke ?

 

[Poke]

God never did abandon his chosen people for the sake of the gentiles because the jews never were God's chosen people.

!!!!!!WHAT!!!!!!Poke ?

What does "chosen people" mean?

 

[Lewis]

Those were the people His son was to come through. And those were the people who were to pen the Word of God. Yeshua was a Hebrew.

 

[Poke]

Those were the people His son was to come through. And those were the people who were to pen the Word of God. Yeshua was a Hebrew.

If all you mean by "chosen people" is those who wrote the scripture and the bloodline of Christ, then sure, the Hebrews are the chosen people. God honored them with this, just as Mary was honored with being Christ's mother. But, Jesus has come and scripture has been completed. Don't be like the Catholics who practically make a goddess of Mary, a woman with no doctrinal significance, by making more of a bloodline. An honor is only an honor, and it isn't for their sakes, but for the sakes of the righteous patriarchs.

The Bible means something else by "chosen people." It means those who belong to God: Christians (starting with Adam and Eve). To say jews are God's chosen people is tantamount to saying they don't need Christ. This is a concept that zionists flirt very closely with.

 

[Lewis]

You see God made a covenant. Oh never mind. What's the use.

 

[Poke]

You see God made a covenant. Oh never mind. What's the use.

Yes, Genesis 12, God made a covenant with Abraham and his seed, Christ. It's about Jesus.

Only Jesus saves. The law never saved a soul.

 

[Lewis]

And who was talking about the law ?

 

[Atonement]

Poke,

I have a question or three..

When I say figtree (refering to the OT). What is you understanding to the meaning of the figtree in the OT?

The Valley of dry bones? What does this mean?? Who does this refer to??

3/4 of the Entire Bible is Prohpecy, very important subject then.. How many prophecies both in the New and Old Testamnet include Israel??

Why is Jesus Himself gonna set His Kindgom up in Jerusalem. The Capital of Isarel for 1000yrs when He comes back??

 

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How many prophecies both in the New and Old Testamnet include Israel??

Why is Jesus Himself gonna set His Kindgom up in Jerusalem. The Capital of Isarel for 1000yrs when He comes back??

psst- He's not.

 

[Imagican]

Boy, what a mess our understanding has truly become. We have some that insist that Christmas IS a ligitimate Christian Holiday SIMPLY because they enjoy celibrating it. We have others that deny God's 'chosen'. And most that seem to 'misunderstand' the truth, seem to have not even read the Word to begin with. Yet they will spurt out nonsense for what?

Look folks, it's an easy thing to study the history behind Christmas. And the ENTIRE Bible was written BY Hebrews/Jews TO Hebrews/Jews. The ten commandments WERE given to the Hebrews/Jews, and Jesus HIMSELF WAS/IS a Jew. That they denied Christ takes NOTHING away from God's LOVE for them. To deny this is to indicate that IF you sin against God, (turn YOUR back on Him), He will abandon YOU. Boy, you better HOPE and PRAY that this is NOT the case.

I have offered about all I can offer on this thread. It seems that there WILL be those the deny the truth simply to be denying SOMETHING. I can't make you 'drink'.

I do appreciate the effort that others have made in my defense, (those that seem to have a bit of understanding), but I am beginning to believe that you too are wasting your time. There WILL be those that ARE blinded to the 'truth' and no matter what ANYONE says or tries to show them, THEY WILL REMAIN BLINDED until God opens their eyes.

MEC

 

[Poke]

We have some that insist that Christmas IS a ligitimate Christian Holiday SIMPLY because they enjoy celibrating it.

Jesus is worthy of celebration. But, more to the point, taking Christ out of Christmas is the devil's work. There's no virtue in promoting paganism.

Look folks, it's an easy thing to study the history behind Christmas. And the ENTIRE Bible was written BY Hebrews/Jews TO Hebrews/Jews. The ten commandments WERE given to the Hebrews/Jews, and Jesus HIMSELF WAS/IS a Jew. That they denied Christ takes NOTHING away from God's LOVE for them. To deny this is to indicate that IF you sin against God, (turn YOUR back on Him), He will abandon YOU. Boy, you better HOPE and PRAY that this is NOT the case.

You work hard to ignore the Bible. Jesus said to the Jews "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil." Most zionists would call that hate, if anyone else said it. Because Jesus said it, they just ignore it.