Pagan roots of Christmas & Easter

[Poke]

3/4 of the Entire Bible is Prohpecy, very important subject then.. How many prophecies both in the New and Old Testamnet include Israel??

The Bible is about Jesus, not a patch of sand in the middle-east.

 

[Imagican]

Poke,

Your hatred is manifest in the words that YOU offer. You manipulate scripture to 'your OWN end'. Your hatred and ignorance will effect NONE that know God. So, continue to spew your hatred if you must but with the understanding that you offer nothing but condemnation to 'yourself'.

MEC

 

[Poke]

Your hatred is manifest in the words that YOU offer. You manipulate scripture to 'your OWN end'. Your hatred and ignorance will effect NONE that know God. So, continue to spew your hatred if you must but with the understanding that you offer nothing but condemnation to 'yourself'.

You need to spend more time addressing the substance of an argument and less time being emotional.

 

[John the Baptist]

Boy, what a mess our understanding has truly become. We have some that insist that Christmas IS a ligitimate Christian Holiday SIMPLY because they enjoy celibrating it. We have others that deny God's 'chosen'. And most that seem to 'misunderstand' the truth, seem to have not even read the Word to begin with. Yet they will spurt out nonsense for what?

Look folks, it's an easy thing to study the history behind Christmas. And the ENTIRE Bible was written BY Hebrews/Jews TO Hebrews/Jews. The ten commandments WERE given to the Hebrews/Jews, and Jesus HIMSELF WAS/IS a Jew. That they denied Christ takes NOTHING away from God's LOVE for them. To deny this is to indicate that IF you sin against God, (turn YOUR back on Him), He will abandon YOU. Boy, you better HOPE and PRAY that this is NOT the case.

I have offered about all I can offer on this thread. It seems that there WILL be those the deny the truth simply to be denying SOMETHING. I can't make you 'drink'.

I do appreciate the effort that others have made in my defense, (those that seem to have a bit of understanding), but I am beginning to believe that you too are wasting your time. There WILL be those that ARE blinded to the 'truth' and no matter what ANYONE says or tries to show them, THEY WILL REMAIN BLINDED until God opens their eyes.

MEC

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:wink: John here:
(your defense??) Come on, this babbling has been going on from since the tower of Babel!! Do you not read?? Revelation 17:5 :fadein:

Look friend, what unity do any of these ones have in common, but sunday school, & church, easter & Christ/less/mass?

 

[Imagican]

John,

I have read your posts for a long time now. Most have seemed to be filled with much wisdom. We have not always agreed, but that has not taken from my belief that you have spent much time in reading and studying the Word.

I am at a loss in this one. I am confused as to what you refute in my statements. Are you denying that the Jews ARE God's chosen? If so, I am at a loss as to how you came to this conclusion.

I am perfectly in agreement that Easter, Christmas, and Sunday school, (or even Sunday church), are nothing more than pagan extentions ADDED to Christianity. But that the Jews ARE God's chosen is not even a point that those which DISAGREE have a 'leg to stand on'. This is manifest in EVERYTHING that I have offered. God has NOT abandoned His people. They have turned their backs on Him OVER AND OVER. He HAS punished them OVER AND OVER. But then we KNOW, GOD punishes those that He LOVES.

EVERY ONE OF THE BOOKS of the Bible WERE written BY Jews TO Jews. That we became priviledged with The Word is something NEW, hence the NEW Testement, get it?

Now, if the Jews are NOT God's chosen, explain why it was THROUGH the Jews that you and I NOW have the written Word?

MEC

 

[John the Baptist]

Revelation 2:5 finds the method of a called fold, rejected, when they rejected Christ. Surely you do not think that there is salvation for crucifying the Son of God in FULL LIGHT?? See Hebrews 6:6. He even raised the Dead!! Hence Romans 2:28-29 finds who it is that is a Jew. Even in Eternity! (Zion) All Israel is, is a pedigree. (can you handel that?) We all have one blood.

Because God wanted to have a nation that He could bless, so as the world would be drawn to Him through them & be saved, is one reason why He had Israel. All of Earth's remnant are Obedient Israel, if they are obedient.

---John

 

[lovely]

Jeremiah 10:2-4

Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

Discussions like this always remind me of this verse. It is best to not celebrate those things in God's honor that are not established, and commanded, by Him. Christmas may very well be an idol among believers. The Lord bless all of you.

 

[Poke]

Jeremiah 10:2-4

Pssst, the Christmas tree is not an idol to a powerless false god.

 

[Imagican]

lovely,

As always, you have offered a wise and scripture based posting rife with understanding.

And, once again Poke, you have offered nothing but 'personal feelings' concerning a subject that you obviously don't want to understand.

MEC

 

[John the Baptist]

Jeremiah 10:2-4

Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

Discussions like this always remind me of this verse. It is best to not celebrate those things in God's honor that are not established, and commanded, by Him. Christmas may very well be an idol among believers. The Lord bless all of you.

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Excellent verses. Worship is for us to give our best. And is conditional in blessing, in return, only if we do. We need to give the best of everything for the one that we love. And He will not accept anything less! Revelation 3:16-17 So who would want to take dangerous chances in worship of Christ???

 

[Vic C.]

Yes, great passage Lovely. I've used it a few times. I think I used it in this thread too.

 

[lovely]

Poke wrote:

Pssst, the Christmas tree is not an idol to a powerless false god.

It is best for believers to truly be given over to God's Word in all things, and not give in to the pressure of the Church institutions, or the world, if they are encouraging us to idolatry. The false, and powerless, God is found here in Revelation 18. Let me highlight a few verses....

Revelation 18:3-4

"3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

This (Babylonian) system of the world is one of commercialism, that incites us to greed, covetousness, arrogance, and self-indulgence. These particular days, Christmas, is one of the biggest selling days of the year, and deceptive advertisements are the vehicle on which it rides. The toys, and gifts, are not even needed. Many families go into debt to do their giving. The decorations are iconic/idolic sentiment, and a waste of money. I won't even go into lying to children about Santa. This (Babylonian) system serves the father of lies, and is a huge burden to those who serve it. God's best for us is the coming out away from the world, and not sharing in it's sins. Christ's yoke is easy, and His burden is light. If Christmas, and Easter, were truly holy days to believers they would not allow the world to pollute them in such a manner, and would certainly not participate in the polluting. But, they are not holy days, they are pagan celebrations. The pollution was there from the beginning, and Christ was added in to try and redeem it.

1 John 2:15-17

"15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever."

One last verse...

Deuteronomy 12:2-4

"2 Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree:
3 And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place.
4 Ye shall not do so unto the LORD your God."

We are commanded to not redeem these things unto the Lord our God, but to utterly destroy them. Idolatry is not something that world does less these days, but something it does just as much, if not more. God's preferred best for His children is to love Him above the world. The Lord bless you.

 

[lovely]

Vic wrote:

Yes, great passage Lovely. I've used it a few times. I think I used it in this thread too.

Hi Vic. Sorry, I may have just posted a few more repeat passages. The Lord bless you

 

[stray bullet]

Jeremiah 10:2-4

Pssst, the Christmas tree is not an idol to a powerless false god.

The Christmas tree is from Germany from Christian winter plays at that!

The original Christmas trees were evergreens with apple- these apples were later replaced with glass balls. I grew up with a Christmas tree- an evergreen with apples

Ever wonder what that was about? The tree was symbolizing the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

 

[Vic C.]

Vic wrote:

Yes, great passage Lovely. I've used it a few times. I think I used it in this thread too.

Hi Vic. Sorry, I may have just posted a few more repeat passages. The Lord bless you

Heh, it's all good. I've got some more. Tell me what you think.

Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

...works of their hands? What works of their hands could God be angry about? The verse mentions idols of wood, similar to Jeremiah 10.

Now read this:

Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Aah, it gets a little clearer. They are to make a image of the beast. It is possible that people will have their own little, personal image; most likly made of wood, which they carved themselves. But it gets better...

Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Jeremiah 10 and Rev 9:20 say this inatimate object can't talk; it can do nothing on it's own. Now it speaks... and somehow causes the nonworshippers to be killed. Could it be telling people to kill or turn in people who don't worship it, to be persecuted?

Yeah, I think too much. But it's not my idea. It's a theory I got from Robert Van Kampen. I just paraphrased and elaborated a bit.

 

[lovely]

Makes me think of those three Hebrew boys who were thrown into the firey furnance, Vic. The Lord bless you.

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

God never did abandon his chosen people for the sake of the gentiles because the jews never were God's chosen people.

!!!!!!WHAT!!!!!!Poke ?

What does "chosen people" mean?

Deu 7:6 For thou [art] an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that [are] upon the face of the earth.

You see God made a covenant. Oh never mind. What's the use.

Lord, revive Lewis!

 

[Preacher Boy]

In agreement of real disciples of Jesus Christ, we need to be not conformed to this world. Whether these "holydays" are religious or not they are worldy based and their root is not sound doctrine, but worldiness. "love not the world"

Here is a god sermon for those that dare get truth on the matter.

http://www.biblepreachingarchives.org/J ... 20Knox.mp3