Paying for your sins (in this life...)

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Does it happen? I mean, I'm Protestant, so I believe that God can forgive w/o suffering. But is there value in suffering a bit for your sins? Divine discipline, perhaps?

Thoughts? Scripture? I'm a Baby Christian, so I'm not here to push my own agenda (I really don't have one) one anybody. I'm just genuinely curious.
 
He paid the price there is nothing you can do to pay for what has been bought with His innocent Blood... What you can do is try to be Christlike in your every day life.. Us thinking our suffering for our sin can accomplish anything is to mock what He has done. We dont want to do that :) Matt 5 the sermon on the mount...is a good teacher as how to live daily.... we dont do it but we try,,,
 
You may think of it as you reap what you sew. Pain can arise from disobedience. For instance, if you gossip about someone and it gets back to them and they approach you about it in a rather rude way. You can lose your friend because you sinned by gossiping. But, like reba said, you will not pay for your sins/mistakes because Christ already has for you.

I hope that's not confusing.
 
Isaiah 55.6 is a good text, about the Lord Jesus suffering fully for His people.

Sometimes, though, past self indulgence can have a lasting, harmful effect on the body.
 
Angel said:
You may think of it as you reap what you sew. Pain can arise from disobedience. For instance, if you gossip about someone and it gets back to them and they approach you about it in a rather rude way. You can lose your friend because you sinned by gossiping. But, like reba said, you will not pay for your sins/mistakes because Christ already has for you.

I hope that's not confusing.
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Angel: Yes, the Lord Jesus bore the penalty for all those who trust in Him. :)

Sometimes reaping what one has sown can have a permanent effect practically, even though the Lord Jesus bore the penalty in full.

Blessings.
 
If we suffer for our sins, then that's not because of some divine discipline. It's because sinning (aka making mistakes) very often has negative consequences for ourselves, and if it has negative consequences not for ourselves but for others those others will most likely respond in a negative way, thereby creating consequences for ourselves. It's just the play of cause and effect.
For example, if you cheat on your girlfriend then she'll leave you and you suffer guilt, loss, heartbreak and loneliness. But that's not a divine intervention, it's the earthly consequences of your choices and actions. Like Angel said, you reap what you sow. If you repent then God would more likely try to lift you up and heal your pain and help you learn from the experience than punish/ discipline you even more than life already has. If you don't repent, God will just leave it at that (which means you'd have an unrepented sin on your record).
I'm not totally good in Bible knowledge myself, but right now I can't come up with any incident of divine discipline of followers of Christ in the New Testament. Ananias and Sapphira are the only kind of "divine punishment" in the NT that come to my mind, but since they immediately died for their sin there is little disciplinatory value in that kind of intervention.
 
OK..I read the Scriptures provided, and I now realize that "paying for one's sins" isn't all that Biblical. God can discipline, but He seems to do so with an eye to character development (like the OT king who went completely crazy because of pride...his name escapes me), not really for "punishment" as we understand punishment.

Thanks,eveyone.
 
Christ_empowered said:
Does it happen? I mean, I'm Protestant, so I believe that God can forgive w/o suffering. But is there value in suffering a bit for your sins? Divine discipline, perhaps?

Thoughts? Scripture? I'm a Baby Christian, so I'm not here to push my own agenda (I really don't have one) one anybody. I'm just genuinely curious.
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the suffering for the sake of the Good is worth, otherwise there is no value in the suffering

1 Peter 3:17-18 "it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:",

1 Peter 4:19 "Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator."

Blessings
 
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Christ_empowered said:
OK..I read the Scriptures provided, and I now realize that "paying for one's sins" isn't all that Biblical. God can discipline, but He seems to do so with an eye to character development (like the OT king who went completely crazy because of pride...his name escapes me), not really for "punishment" as we understand punishment.

Thanks,eveyone.
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I think you are referring to Saul, maybe?
 
reba said:
He paid the price there is nothing you can do to pay for what has been bought with His innocent Blood... What you can do is try to be Christlike in your every day life.. Us thinking our suffering for our sin can accomplish anything is to mock what He has done. We dont want to do that :) Matt 5 the sermon on the mount...is a good teacher as how to live daily.... we dont do it but we try,,,
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Matthew 5 to 7 says it all really
 
Angel said:
You may think of it as you reap what you sew. Pain can arise from disobedience. For instance, if you gossip about someone and it gets back to them and they approach you about it in a rather rude way. You can lose your friend because you sinned by gossiping. But, like reba said, you will not pay for your sins/mistakes because Christ already has for you.

I hope that's not confusing.
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Angel:

Another example of reaping what you sow is this: I don't beat the big drum about things such as smoking (some folk do genuinely have trouble quitting) but if for example someone smokes 40 per day for many years, and then suddenly develops lung cance, the two are not likely to be coincidental...

Blessings.
 
Christ_empowered said:
Does it happen? I mean, I'm Protestant, so I believe that God can forgive w/o suffering. But is there value in suffering a bit for your sins? Divine discipline, perhaps?

Thoughts? Scripture? I'm a Baby Christian, so I'm not here to push my own agenda (I really don't have one) one anybody. I'm just genuinely curious.
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This is what I believe. Sin brings curse. Jesus nailed the curse of the sin on the cross. Wages of sin is death. He has bought us out of that with His precious blood. However, we reap what we sow! While we are in this fallen world, some how sin will enter our lives. Through the blood of Jesus, our sins are forgiven when we reach the throne of grace with repentance. But that does mean there will be no consequences. If you have an affair and when the partner knows about it, of course there will be damage to the relationship. When you repent, the curse of the sin will be taken away. But we are not going to go back in time and everything is going to like nothing happened! That is the point. Even in those sufferings, the Lord will strengthen us. I look upto David's life to understand this best. You can study David's life more. I am fascinated because the Lord called him a man after his own heart. Why? He did not tell that of Daniel, against whom there is not even a single bad remark in Bible. David committed some big time sins. Still he was the man after Lord's own heart. Think about it :)
 
The Bible does say in a couple places that since we are God's children, He will correct us in much the same way a parent might. And according to Hebrews 12:8, that God corrects us is proof that we are His...a parent doesn't punish a kid that isn't his own, yknow? The verses surrounding verse 8 in that chapter expound on this more.
 
questdriven said:
The Bible does say in a couple places that since we are God's children, He will correct us in much the same way a parent might. And according to Hebrews 12:8, that God corrects us is proof that we are His...a parent doesn't punish a kid that isn't his own, yknow? The verses surrounding verse 8 in that chapter expound on this more.
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Agreed. Christ paid the price for our sins 2000 years ago, and so because of His sacrifice, punishment for sin is not something we have to face. However, oftentimes sin will have negative consequences in our lives for the simple reason that sin is, in itself, negative. Now God will correct you if you're doing something wrong, but there's a difference between correcting and punishing.
 
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