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Peace in Christ - War Without

James 1:27. 2 Corinthians 9:7. Luke 21:1-4. Luke 12:21. 1 Corinthians 4:2.
I think you misunderstood my question, CE. I was asking if there was Scripture that instructs us to make smart choices regarding our giving. I'm trying to understand if we are to use some diligence to not feed greed by giving to someone that asks even when we know this person is not in need.
 
To my knowledge, there is no scripture in the New Testament which countermands or permits variance from the Lord's commandments in the Sermon as they are written - indeed, explicitly to the contrary ( Matthew 5:19 ). The word "breaks" in that verse is more subtle in the Greek - it means "relaxes," or "loosens."
 
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Is there someplace in Scripture where God instructs us in this way?

Have you never read about the sheep and the goats where the charge is:- When I was hungry, naked, sick, in prison and you....
Or about the good samaritan, but rewrit it putting a person from your most hated people group as the samaritan.

Basicly the whole bible is trying to teach us to care for others.
Look at the OT laws in Deutm. how they talk abnout careing for the weak and powerless.
 
Have you never read about the sheep and the goats where the charge is:- When I was hungry, naked, sick, in prison and you....
Or about the good samaritan, but rewrit it putting a person from your most hated people group as the samaritan.

Basicly the whole bible is trying to teach us to care for others.
Look at the OT laws in Deutm. how they talk abnout careing for the weak and powerless.
I know we are to give to those in need and care for each other. I'm talking about giving to those who do not need it. In other words, does Scripture give instruction about having discernment to not feed another's greed. Sometimes caring means saying no, does it not?
 
Sometimes caring means saying no, does it not?

Before refusing to help someone we should ensure that we do know the details of there circumstances.
Are we qualified to determine whether someone cannot work because of a disability?
Can we assess mental illness?

Paul said if they will not work they shall not eat and that is a good general rule, so long as those who cannot work are also helped.
 
Before refusing to help someone we should ensure that we do know the details of there circumstances.
Are we qualified to determine whether someone cannot work because of a disability?
Can we assess mental illness?

Paul said if they will not work they shall not eat and that is a good general rule, so long as those who cannot work are also helped.
You must not be fully paying attention to what I have been writing. I said, when we "know" that the need does not exist.

Here's an example. There are a lot of people today, even those on middle and upper middle income or higher, that when asked will tell you they are living from paycheck to paycheck but if you were to really dig into their situation you will likely find that the situation is self-induced by their spending habits. In other words, they are spending beyond their means. Maybe they purchased a more expensive home than they really could afford. Maybe they spent their money on automobiles beyond their ability to pay. Maybe they spend a lot of money on vacations and other things that are not really necessary for life.

I was an living example of such a lifestyle once. Back in 1978 when I was 19 I got hired by a mining company in northern Minnesota's iron range. By 1980 I was making over $20,000.00 per year and by the time I was laid off in 1982 my annual salary was pushing $25,000.00.

According to the American Institute of Economic Research cost of living calculator, $20,000.00 in 1980 is equivalent to approximately $61,000.00 today which is a middle class income. In 1980 it was enough to easily support a family of four where I lived.

Here's what my living expenses were like. I shared a rural farm home with two other guys. The rent was $250.00 per month split three ways. The electric bill was typically about $20.00 per month split three ways. We cut and burned wood so we had no heat bill. I don't recall for sure but I bet our grocery bill was no more than $100.00 per month split three ways and I might be a bit generous with that. So my monthly living expenses added up to approximately $123.00 per month. I also had a college student loan for $52.00 per month and of course auto insurance for my 1967 pickup. I don't recall what that liability insurance cost. I'll guess somewhere around $15.00 per month give or take. So, my total monthly bills were somewhere around $200.00 per month give or take.

I remember my take-home pay was usually around $630.00 every two weeks so multiply that by 26 weeks and divide by 12 and my monthly income was about $1,365.00 per month. Subtract out my monthly bills and I was left with approximately 1,100.00 per month.

I did not do drugs but I did my share of drinking. To give you an idea of what that might have cost, a typical 12-pack of beer cost about $2.50 so to spend 1,100 on beer would have been a huge amount of beer.

If you would have asked me how I was doing I would most certainly have told you that I was living paycheck to paycheck because I was and then some. Back then, when you would write out a check, it typically took a minimum of four days for the check to get back to the bank and be withdrawn from your account. I can assure you that 99 times out of 100 I was writing out checks at least three days before payday with no money in my account banking on my paycheck getting deposited before the check cleared my account.

If I asked someone for help, would it be appropriate to feed that greed and help me out when I was mismanaging what I had been given?
 
Now let me take another step. In 1982, I got married in February, bought a house in early April, and got laid off the end of May with a baby on the way. At first, it wasn't too bad because the job was a union job and part of my union dues was paid into an account with my union that was used when we got laid off. I received supplemental pay from that account for about 6 weeks. That pay combined with my unemployment insurance payments actually gave me a better income than what I had when I was working.

When that money ran out though, we had to rely on unemployment insurance only. Fortunately, at that time UC payments were not taxed and they paid about 60% of our previous working pay. It was a little cut but not too bad considering that when I was working my take-home pay after taxes was about 70% of my gross.

After about a year, I finally got a job. The pay was minimum wage, which was $4.35 per hour back then or about $9,000.00 per year for full-time. That was less than half my working salary before.

Do you think it would have been appropriate for me to expect help then? I can tell you, the answer is not necessarily. First, I had to do the responsible thing for probably the first time in my life.

When I was first laid off and they told us it was permanent, I immediately went into preservation mode and began to sell down literally everything I didn't need. You see, the writing was on the wall that the iron range economy was going to be hit hard and it was. We were in a full-blown depression compared to the rest of the country with over 25% unemployment so jobs were not readily available. I sold everything we had that was expendable.

Then, since the combination of supplemental pay and UC payments were so good, I worked like a dog to pay down as much dept as I could and reduce our monthly obligation. I managed to pay off my student loan, the $5,000.00 rider loan on my mortgage that we took to pay the down-payment, and a credit card debt that we had. These things alone reduced my monthly obligations by over $125.00.

It was not easy but I am here today to tell you that we were still not at rock bottom. I can tell you a story about that time in my life too but I think this is enough for now.
 
I said, when we "know" that the need does not exist.

To 'know' that we would need to know the circumstances, which is whjat I said.

In the situation I'm in I am not aware of anyone in fulltime work who is living beyond there means, if only becauset is hard enough to make ends meet without living the life of Riley.
I' am more aware of families in our church circle who are struggling to make ends meet, who do have medical, physical and mental problems as well as some who have, as far as I know, no problems.

As a church we have funds and a system so that those in need can be helped, as well as people who will get along side them to see if they can be helped to use there resources more wisely.

That said, as a church we were socked to learn that there are people living near us in need but who will not accept help from 'a church' and are trying to find away to overcome this 'phobia'.
 
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