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Pedophile/Statutory
- Thread starter Oats
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Bob Carabbio
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If a man in Biblical times married a woman under 15 this would be normal...
but now men who marry young women are called pedophiles....
Where'd you get THAT idea?? Men who MOLEST or RAPE children are called "Pedophiles".
"Marriage" is a whole 'nuther issue. The derogatory term for it is "Cradle robber".
My wife's Aunt Frances (Mobile, Alabama) was married at 14, and had 4 kids by the time she was 20.
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but now men who marry young women are called pedophiles....
Where'd you get THAT idea?? Men who MOLEST or RAPE children are called "Pedophiles".
"Marriage" is a whole 'nuther issue. The derogatory term for it is "Cradle robber".
My wife's Aunt Frances (Mobile, Alabama) was married at 14, and had 4 kids by the time she was 20.
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How old were Adam and Eve?[/QUOTE]
Ashua
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My thoughts? This is a classic case of moral relativism. Society arbitrarily decides which is the magic age for "consent". The least biased arbiter I can think of to decide when the age of consent should be is biology itself. Puberty = sexual biological activation.
Theologically, I have no problem with "consensual" relations involving a minor WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF MARRIAGE and also in compliance of man's fickle law, subservient to God's eternal law. (Man's law changes with the seasons and ages as "fashion" dictates.) (Rulers are not a terror to good works) This may disturb some of you, but I would like to challenge you, who disagree with me to show me by what moral authority do you condemn it? Aside from the arbitrary whim of 21st century western culture, by which the collective OPINION of select men determine "social morality" for the whole, show me why a consenting 15 year old (in marriage under God) should be prohibited?
Non-Christians/Jews/Muslims, this is not aimed at you. There is no fundamental common ground for this statement.
Consent age and other social laws of legislative morality are illusionary; impotent to bind universally apart from the technicality of "law" --a glorified written list of opinions concerning "proper living". Morality is relative outside of God's Holy statutes.
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jasoncran
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while i am not for violating the current laws of consent. what you say is true, over a century ago it was common for teen girls to marry and have kids as they often didnt see past 40.
my grandpa married my grandmother who was 20 yrs younger and my wife has 14 yrs on me.
Glowstique
Member
Obviously pedophilia is wrong.
I have different thoughts in statutory. Last year, a 19 year old guy and a 17 year old girl got together. The slept together(yes i know they shouldnt have) and decided soon after that they wanted to get married. When the parents found out, they had arrested for statutory rape. Whats even worse is the girl was pregnant. My stepdad also knew a guy who was arrested for it and actually married the girl, but thats still an ugly scar on his criminal record. He was trying to get it removed. My point is i dont think that statutory should afftect a relationship between a 17 and 19 year old. Yes premarital sex is wrong, but falsely accusing someone of rape is too.
I have different thoughts in statutory. Last year, a 19 year old guy and a 17 year old girl got together. The slept together(yes i know they shouldnt have) and decided soon after that they wanted to get married. When the parents found out, they had arrested for statutory rape. Whats even worse is the girl was pregnant. My stepdad also knew a guy who was arrested for it and actually married the girl, but thats still an ugly scar on his criminal record. He was trying to get it removed. My point is i dont think that statutory should afftect a relationship between a 17 and 19 year old. Yes premarital sex is wrong, but falsely accusing someone of rape is too.
stovebolts
Member
The sad part of it Glow, is that he will now be put on the sexual predator list for the rest of his life... When I think sexual predator, I'm thinking rape or pedophile. A 17 and 19 year old having consensual sex does not qualify as pedophile and what's going to end up happening is that being on the 'sexual predator' list, though an annoyance, will loose it's credibility.
Glowstique
Member
Yeah. The media around here was in an uproar about it. If he ends up marrying her, that would make for very...um...interesting situations during holidays.
stovebolts
Member
No kidding glow. Talk about ho ho ho let's have the inlaws over. Somebody is going to get a piece of coal in their stocking for sure.
I just don't think it's right to have the kid arrested. I mean, where does the daughter's accountability come into account? When a teenage girl hits 17 they can get an "emotion" of their own if you know what I mean. Talk about raging hormones!
I may be wrong, but once the deed is done, we can show our disapproval in the matter, but the reality is we have the rest of our life to deal with it and a child doesn't need to come into the world like that.
You know what I just thought of though... Who knows what this guy is like. Maybe he's a big druggie and has a very negative effect on the girl. Maybe, considering the circumstances this boy needs to be kept away from this girl and the parents are trying to relcaim their daughter for the best. This is why I hate judging the actions of others from such a distance. Simply put, I"m not in their shoes, and I can't see the rest of the picture...
I just don't think it's right to have the kid arrested. I mean, where does the daughter's accountability come into account? When a teenage girl hits 17 they can get an "emotion" of their own if you know what I mean. Talk about raging hormones!
I may be wrong, but once the deed is done, we can show our disapproval in the matter, but the reality is we have the rest of our life to deal with it and a child doesn't need to come into the world like that.
You know what I just thought of though... Who knows what this guy is like. Maybe he's a big druggie and has a very negative effect on the girl. Maybe, considering the circumstances this boy needs to be kept away from this girl and the parents are trying to relcaim their daughter for the best. This is why I hate judging the actions of others from such a distance. Simply put, I"m not in their shoes, and I can't see the rest of the picture...
Caroline H
Member
Stovebolts said:
Hmmm... I see your point, and I agree with you. But if that were the case, I wouldn't agree at all with their method. I totally understand wanting to do whatever you can to keep bad influences away from a daughter, but a bad character and drug involvement are waaay different than sexual predator. He should not be placed on the sexual predator list just so that parents can keep him away from their daughter. A restraining order would be a better choice.
stovebolts
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Well, when they pressed statutory rape on the kid, and if he's convicted, then it will naturally invoke the process to put him on the sexual offenders list, not to mention possible jail time, but more than likely a series of fines, fess and community service. Besides, in order for a restraining order to be effective, the daughter would have to be one of the enforcers wouldn't you think? I'm just not sure how that would work, and what would you tell the judge to get the restraining order that wouldn't invoke the statutory rape charges? I really don't know.
These kinds of issues are never pretty and can get complicated so easily... don't ya just wish kids wouldn't have sex before they are married? But sadly, that's not the case and I pray that I'll never have to make these types of decisions for my family, especially when a grand child is in the picture.
Think about this aspect. The parents may be able to keep the boy from his child for the most part, but what about the boy's mother or father? Wouldn't they also be shunned from seeing their grandchild? It just seems that in situations like this everyone gets hurt and there are no easy paths to keeping the peace while trying to direct your child in the right direction. Yuk.
As for one who is rightly guilt of being a pedophile, I think they should just castrate them and be done with it so when they get out of the pen, it will be much harder for them to re-offend. I have no mercy in that area.
These kinds of issues are never pretty and can get complicated so easily... don't ya just wish kids wouldn't have sex before they are married? But sadly, that's not the case and I pray that I'll never have to make these types of decisions for my family, especially when a grand child is in the picture.
Think about this aspect. The parents may be able to keep the boy from his child for the most part, but what about the boy's mother or father? Wouldn't they also be shunned from seeing their grandchild? It just seems that in situations like this everyone gets hurt and there are no easy paths to keeping the peace while trying to direct your child in the right direction. Yuk.
As for one who is rightly guilt of being a pedophile, I think they should just castrate them and be done with it so when they get out of the pen, it will be much harder for them to re-offend. I have no mercy in that area.
Caroline H
Member
Absolutely! There is no rehabilitation for that kind of mind...
Oats
Member
stovebolts
Member
Yes, everyone has an opportunity for mercy. This is why most pedophiles are released from prison after they have done their time. The person is free to once more exploit innocent children.
Homosexuality has many faucets in that many children who were taken advantage of by pedophiles of the same sex take on the homosexual lifestyle. Some become pedophiles themselves as they journey into adulthood while others lived a scared and confused life tormented by the experience.
Mind you, I am not talking about teenagers who grew up un-mamed by pedophiles who find the same sex attractive and experiment with homosexuality, but later live normal hetrosexual lives and nor am I talking about the ones who enjoy the experience of same sex relationships and maintain them with regular, of age same sex partners.
Statistics show that once a sexual offender has commited his act, the overwhelming majority of them re-offend. One pedophile can wreck the lives of numerous children in a very short time that will leave a life long impact on each child. To me, this is more severe than somebody who is of age and just wants to have consensual sex with the same sex. To me, Oats, to take advantage of a child for sexual favors is horrendous and deserves much, much more than a simple castration. But the fact of the matter is, they get out of prison and simply do it again, and again, and again. Meanwhile, the children who were taken advantage of live the rest of their lives all screwed up.
If I were to be completly honest Oats, I'd throw the first stone and crush their heads. And yes, I was molested by several same sex pedophiles as both a young child, and as a young adult.
I realize this may not be the best response, nor may it not be a Christian one. But the experience has left me with a hatred for people who sexually exploit children. The act is horrindous and it leaves deep, deep scares. Perhaps if I ever "heal" from the wounds I'll "feel" differently. But if I could stop one child from experiencing a portion of what I've experienced... It's just not right.
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Alabaster
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These people are demonized. Only a deliverance by the power of God will free them from their prison of bondage.
Oats
Member
i was a victim of sexual molestation and never got any help about it
my mom denies it to this day--
only my brother and sister admit to it
My uncle hurt me and I forgave him
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i have another uncle who was framed and now he can't find work for the same reasons
i've been hurt but we need to do what Jesus would do
but then again he did say the millstone round the neck thing
i think we are being hypocritical
lust is lust
what about children who grow up in abusive households?
should their parents be stoned?
Glowstique
Member
Ok, i still think pediphilia is worse than homosexuality. One word. Consent. Also, Jesus said "If anyone harms even the least of these(taling about children), it is better for him to have a stone tied around his neck and be cast into the sea," so obviously he felt pretty strongly about this.
Yeah, i agree. Castrate them. I was watching Oprah the other day and she was talking to a kid who killed his molester. He had been putting up with it for while, and when day he just couldnt take it. He stabbed him to death. Honestly, i feel no pity for the guy at all. He had it coming.
Yeah, i agree. Castrate them. I was watching Oprah the other day and she was talking to a kid who killed his molester. He had been putting up with it for while, and when day he just couldnt take it. He stabbed him to death. Honestly, i feel no pity for the guy at all. He had it coming.
Oats
Member
so do liars have it coming
next time you lie what if that happens to you?
next time you kill someone in your heart?
or lust in your heart
will you deserve to get stabbed up until you die?
no.
not at all....
2Glowstique
Member
Are you really trying to compare lying to pedophilia? If you think sin is all equal, i disagree. I was reading the Bible the other day and i stubled across a verse that said that people would be punished according to what they had done. I dont think God thinks of all sin equally like we think he does.
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Gendou Ikari
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It was also normal for men to have multiple wives in the Bible. I don't think any Christian should condone statutory rape. It is a different matter if two fifteen-year-olds are married, than if a 40-year-old sicko marries a 15-year-old.
This has nothing to do with moral relativism. The psychology of development has proven that children do not have the cognitive and emotional capacity to effectively make proper judgement on issues such as sex that involve the possibility of long-term consequences. It is why we don't allow 15-year-olds to sign legal contacts or drive. My moral authority is rooted in biological fact.
I have absolutely no sympathy for people who take advantage of, or condone the rape of children. I always tell myself that eternal damnation is immoral, but I think I can make an exception for people like you.