Pentacostals

[Rose of Sharon]

God is not the author of confusion. Things are to be done in an orderly fashion in church. And if someone speaks in tongues there is suppost to be someone there to interpret what is being said or they are to keep silent


There is however a difference between speaking in tongues and a prayer language

:B-fly:

They are the same thing.
Now there is a difference between prayer language and the interpretation and prophecy of tongues. But they are all speaking in tongues.

God bless.

 

[Dstny621]

same idea between you and i.. different ways of wording

im very well associated with both speaking and prayer language

 

[Rose of Sharon]

same idea between you and i.. different ways of wording

im very well associated with both speaking and prayer language

:B-fly:

What is your religion if you don't mind my asking?

 

[garrettms1]

why do people choose a religion and THEN define their beliefs??
shouldn't we define our beliefs THEN choos??
and why are fellow christians having flamed debated are the time??(wasn't talking bout this topic but others)
there are some good points to consider...

 

[Henry]

arrettms1

Putting the horse before the cart aren't you, if you just make up your own beliefs then look for a relion that bacsk it, you have nothing reall.

NO we should see God not religon, we should seek his will, not our own, we should look to him for answers, not try to impose the answeres we want onto him.

Christian vigerously debate, and we need to, part of being a christian is learning a growing, debates not only help in this matter, they sloe define even further the teaching of the bible.

We have two main areas of debate, one called secondary issues, those really minor issues, such as the layout of the church building, how oftern to take communion, how do we worship, and so on.

Things that are not salvational, or foundational.

Then we have the second catogory which arethe foundaltional issues, such as salvation, and the charater of God, theses things do and should divide poeple, as the wheat is divieded form the tears.

We can not mistake what it is to be saved or we miss the boat, and we are called to speak against false gospels, we must and I do.

All heresy begins with a false gospel and and misconception of Gods character.

Got to go

 

[garrettms1]

ok i agree with your response on debates there but not with religion it seems most people grow up with a religion then stay with it never challenging it and studing it and if they find a fault they stay and never tell anyone about it!!thats what i meant...

 

[Henry]

I geuss I would half agree about people growing up in a relgon.

I say that because to be a christian, I mean a true christian, is to know Jesus, and all of us at one time or another had t meet him.

But if a person has not met JEsus then the faith of there family will sufice, they will likely just stick with what they know. we tend to that.

And yes even if they find an error they may stay, however as I said when you meet the living JEsus he changes you, inside and out.

So to be a christian is ot be a different person all together.

 

[garrettms1]

yes if you r TRULY changed but look at how many ARE NOT truly changed yet still claim to be christians!!!too many if we only counted true christians the number of christians wpuld plumet!!

 

[Henry]

Well Jesus said the path was narrow and few would find it.

And we are also that many are called and few are choicen.

The world likes to think that the thing that is right is the most popular, but in this case the oposite is true.

 

[garrettms1]

yeah anyone NOT hear of majority rules??i didn't think so!!if that was the case how many peasant rebellions would of won all im saying is so many profess to be christians yet they AREN'T

 

[lihardem]

I grew up in a Baptist church all my life and the Baptist believe you must be baptised regardless of what. All denominations have their certain beliefs. I left the Baptist church and became a member of a pentecostal church. I never enjoyed going to church so much in my life!

Sometimes things got disorderly and yes we were taught some things that were not true but when a person hungers and thrists after righteousness, they will be fed. The Bible admonishes us to study for ourselves. We must. I had to unlearn a lot of the things I was taught because they were wrong. You can also be involved with a group and not do all the things they do. I belonged to some very upbeat church, but I did not do everything they did. Sometimes I saw things that really puzzled me but I kept praying and learning.

The Holy Spirit is a gentleman. I know there is no scripture that says this, but He is gentle and He doesn't make us do a lot of the things we do in the name of the Lord. A lot of it is emotionalism and it's okay in it's place.

If we can go to a ball game about our favorite team and make noise, why can't we come to church and be excited about Jesus and make noise. The Bible says to make a joyful noise onto the Lord. We want to come into church and be very quiet. He told us to praise Him. There is a time to be quiet, but there is also a time to praise the Lord.

If we had a good time when we were living for the devil, then why can't we have a good time living for the Lord. I am not talking about things being out of order per se, but I definitely enjoy the Lord without running around the church, being drunk as they call it in the Spirit, etc.

 

[Henry]

ihardem

Hey I like a vibrant worship service as well, we should indeed get excited about Jesus and what he did for us.

However I do not think is required, one pastor used to tell me to raise my hands and shoult so that other would see, and do like wise, now that made me very uncomfortable, but if the spirit moves to do that, well then go for it.

Now when we talk about pentocastals, we have to understand if we are talking traditional trinitarian pent. or the oneness group.

The problem that I have is with the Oneness pentocostal group, that teach a false theology and are subltly engaded in various types of spiritaull abuse, this is from experience by the way.

Anyways, have get excited about God I all for that, however I a not all for false teachings, and certainly not for accpeting a false doctrine jut because they worhip wildly or something.

garrettms1

I am not at al sure jsut what you are getting at, would you please be more clear, may be let me know what youra faith is and if you are agreegin or disagreeing, no offence I just do not understand what you are talking about:D

 

[garrettms1]

well henry what i was debating here got solved byitself so theres nothing left to debate-we kinda came out to an agreeance here

 

[Jack Lewis]

Every Christian sect has some people in it that believe that only their particular brand of Christianity is the "true" Christians and all others are false prophets and ravening wolves. This is just a more rampant form of fundieism than normal. If you look at it closely you will see that there are many levels of the same attitude.

1. I, and only I, have the truth, all others are false.

2. Only my denomination has the truth, all others are false.

3. Only Protestants (or Catholics etc) have the truth, all others are false.

4. Only Christians ( or Muslims, Jews, etc) have the truth, all others are false.

As you can see most Christians fit somewhere on the scale of fundieism. It's obvious that your freinds mother fits on number 2. Most of the Christians I have met fit on number 3. Most Abramics will at least fit on number 4.

I guess the question is.... where do you fit?

I would suggest that there needs to be a separate section on the board for discussions of various Christian denominations, by Christians only. I really don't think Nikki wanted input from people who think Christianity itself is a sham.

 

[Jack Lewis]

So you guys have a problem with people getting excited and dancing around and talking in tongues? :-? They are excited about Jesus!
About God not being the author of confusion, what's confusing about dancing around? If you get dizzy or something? Being excited for the Lord is a very good thing. Some people can't sit through a whole sermon without falling asleep. I knew a person like that, but he loved God so he went to a pentacostal church and since he's been excited about going to church, he thinks it's actually fun, and he said he felt the presence of God a lot more than he ever did at a "stuffy church" (his words) I also knew people who went to a place where you know they touch you and you fall down with the holy spirit in you, and they converted to Christianity as soon as they got up. Don't be so quick to write off things you don't understand (or that aren't for you) as evil.

I've visited Charismatic churches. My impression is that they were excited about being excited. I saw not that much difference between anything else someone could get themselves worked up over. When they allow their excitement to cause them to ignore and disobey scripture, that's when you know that it is not from God. I have yet to visit a Chrarismatic church that didn't directly violate scripture.

 

[Jack Lewis]

I want to say it's the Hebrew language (but I'm definitely not sure) that has like three words for love, agape and two others. One of them is romantic love, one is parent/child love, and agape is godly love.

Anariel, this is for clarification purposes only. Tongues is not Hebrew and neither is agape. Tongues is not an earthly language at all. Without the Holy Spirit to help interpret it, it means little to us. Agape is 'unconditional love' in Greek. The Greeks have four different words for 'love', depending on context. Agape, philia, storge and eros.

See this site for definitions... http://orlapubs.com/AR/R213.html

The Greek word used in the New Testament for "tongues" is glossa. it means literally, "tongue," but just as we use the word to refer to language, so did they. The times the Bible mentions unknown tongues, it uses the same word. The unknown part simply means that it isn't understood by anyone present.

There are seven words for love in Greek: mania, eros, ludus, pragma, storge, fileo and agape.

 

[Jack Lewis]

God is not the author of confusion. Things are to be done in an orderly fashion in church. And if someone speaks in tongues there is suppost to be someone there to interpret what is being said or they are to keep silent


There is however a difference between speaking in tongues and a prayer language

When someone comes in and sees dozens of people babbling away in incoherent noises, it makes no difference.

"If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?" -- 1 Corinthians 14:23

 

[Jack Lewis]

I grew up in a Baptist church all my life and the Baptist believe you must be baptised regardless of what.

And this would be wrong, why?

 

[lihardem]

I am not saying that it is wrong to be baptised but know why you are being baptised. The Baptist church I was in believed you were doomed if you were not baptised. It's like some pentecostal's who believed you are not saved if you do not speak in tongues and/or be baptised in Jesus'name. Yes we most definitely should be baptised but supposed I am in a position where I cannot be baptised des this mean I will not be saved (e.g. on my deathbed, or bedbound because of an illness, etc)?

Henry, I am in agreement with you about the things you said. So many churches take scriptures out of context and make doctrines out of scriptures that are not correct.

I heard of a situation on yesterday in a church where this woman was supposed to be caught up in the Holy Spirit and literally threw her daughter over the pew. I was not there, but this was confirmed by two members of the church. Then when the lady sat down supposedly still caught up in the Holy Spirit she ws banging her head on the pew in front of her and the ushers had to stop her. Is this the real Holy Spirit?

 

[Jack Lewis]

I am not saying that it is wrong to be baptised but know why you are being baptised. The Baptist church I was in believed you were doomed if you were not baptised. It's like some pentecostal's who believed you are not saved if you do not speak in tongues and/or be baptised in Jesus'name. Yes we most definitely should be baptised but supposed I am in a position where I cannot be baptised des this mean I will not be saved (e.g. on my deathbed, or bedbound because of an illness, etc)?

That's not typical of Baptist churches. In fact one of the criticisms Church of Christ, Assembly of God and some other denominations have of Baptists is that we do not believe one is lost until baptized. Ironic that you would criticize us for the exact opposite.