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lihardem
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I belonged to an African American Baptist church and also what is called Missionary Baptist Church and in many African American Baptist churches a doctrine is made of baptism. In the baptist church I left about eight months ago we were told if we were not baptised we were not saved. Maybe this is not the norm across the board but in this area of Texas where I live there are multitudes of African American Baptist churches and many of them teach this baptism principle. I am not attempting criticizing anyone. I am explaining what happened to me in my experience. Also in the Bptist churches I attendfed you could not take communion if you had not been baptised.
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Henry
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I do not beleive that batism is a step in salvation, however it iste foirst act of obedience after bieng saved, Jesus said to do it, and I really do not understand why some one whow is saved would not want to be batised.
As I said basitism does not save, but you find htat Jesus was batised, and the people in the books of acts were batised, and more so we thaugt in the bible that bistism is something we do need do.
So anyways, I do not understand why any saved person would not want to be batised.
Henry
As I said basitism does not save, but you find htat Jesus was batised, and the people in the books of acts were batised, and more so we thaugt in the bible that bistism is something we do need do.
So anyways, I do not understand why any saved person would not want to be batised.
Henry
Baptism
Henry - I agree that baptism does not save but I believe the only baptism for today is found in Eph. 4:5 (which does save) - which I believe Christ taking the Spirit and baptising us into the body of Christ - a spiritual baptism.
Also, I believe the purpose for the baptism of the gospels Jesus was talking about is found in John 1:31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
I believe the message for the Jews was found in John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
The Jews had to believe that Jesus was the messiah and their confirmation of that was being baptized - this (being baptized) showed they believed that Jesus was the messiah. The baptism did not do the "saving" but their belief in the message (Believe that Jesus was the Messiah). Baptism was just part of the message but John's baptism (Acts 19:3) doesn't fit today. You don't get baptized because you believe Jesus was the messiah - that was for the Jews then.
Just a thought - 8)
Henry - I agree that baptism does not save but I believe the only baptism for today is found in Eph. 4:5 (which does save) - which I believe Christ taking the Spirit and baptising us into the body of Christ - a spiritual baptism.
Also, I believe the purpose for the baptism of the gospels Jesus was talking about is found in John 1:31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
I believe the message for the Jews was found in John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
The Jews had to believe that Jesus was the messiah and their confirmation of that was being baptized - this (being baptized) showed they believed that Jesus was the messiah. The baptism did not do the "saving" but their belief in the message (Believe that Jesus was the Messiah). Baptism was just part of the message but John's baptism (Acts 19:3) doesn't fit today. You don't get baptized because you believe Jesus was the messiah - that was for the Jews then.
Just a thought - 8)
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Henry
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Interesting,
However it was not just jews who were batised genites were also batised.
Batism is a sign of the covenant of grace.
But interesting thinking on that subject.
However it was not just jews who were batised genites were also batised.
Batism is a sign of the covenant of grace.
But interesting thinking on that subject.
Baptism
Henry - regarding Gentiles you are right but during the Acts period until the "perfect man" near the end of Acts (or even after Acts) was revealed and Israel's final rejection Gentiles were still coming under John's baptism for the door was opened up for the Gentiles during that time - but when Paul got the "final instructions" I believe baptism was not an issue in any way shape for form anymore. Just a thought - later 8)
Also if baptism is a "sign" then look at who "required" a sign - 1 Cor 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
Signs have alwyas been associated with Israel (not Gentiles) and will be again during the tribulation. Since God has left off His dealing Israel for now the signs are not in affect - but when he resumes his dealing with Israel in the tribulation then the signs come back. This is why people get so messed up on the signs and wonders - they are for Israel not for us. Remember Israel wouldn't listen to Moses until he "proved" to them he could deliver. Remember our Lord came to unbelieving Israel in the Gospels and look what he used to "authenticate" his ministry.
Later again! :D
Henry - regarding Gentiles you are right but during the Acts period until the "perfect man" near the end of Acts (or even after Acts) was revealed and Israel's final rejection Gentiles were still coming under John's baptism for the door was opened up for the Gentiles during that time - but when Paul got the "final instructions" I believe baptism was not an issue in any way shape for form anymore. Just a thought - later 8)
Also if baptism is a "sign" then look at who "required" a sign - 1 Cor 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
Signs have alwyas been associated with Israel (not Gentiles) and will be again during the tribulation. Since God has left off His dealing Israel for now the signs are not in affect - but when he resumes his dealing with Israel in the tribulation then the signs come back. This is why people get so messed up on the signs and wonders - they are for Israel not for us. Remember Israel wouldn't listen to Moses until he "proved" to them he could deliver. Remember our Lord came to unbelieving Israel in the Gospels and look what he used to "authenticate" his ministry.
Later again! :D
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Henry
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I think you are reading into the text.
To say it is a sign is not to say we are showing off to some one, we could as easily say it is symbolic.
And if signs are not for the gentiles why were the sign of tounges use in the book of acts, in the witness of the gentiles???
Remeber the tounge were praises to God in their own languages.
I am starting to wonder if you are anti-sematic, I hope not because if you are I would not care to talk any more, I do not like racist.
If you are not then tell me what your point is, becuase I can not be sure at this point.
To say it is a sign is not to say we are showing off to some one, we could as easily say it is symbolic.
And if signs are not for the gentiles why were the sign of tounges use in the book of acts, in the witness of the gentiles???
Remeber the tounge were praises to God in their own languages.
I am starting to wonder if you are anti-sematic, I hope not because if you are I would not care to talk any more, I do not like racist.
If you are not then tell me what your point is, becuase I can not be sure at this point.
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Henry
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Ok do that slow down, you were coming off as a racist, I do not want to misunderstand you in such a bad way.
Do I beleive in the gifts, you mean like tounges and healings and so on, well certainly I do.
But do I beleive that they are normal, not I do not.
Most the healings and tounges I have seen turned out to be emotion driven reactions.
So Yes I beleive, do I beleive that all the stuff out there are genuine, not at all, 99.99% is fake.
Do I beleive in the gifts, you mean like tounges and healings and so on, well certainly I do.
But do I beleive that they are normal, not I do not.
Most the healings and tounges I have seen turned out to be emotion driven reactions.
So Yes I beleive, do I beleive that all the stuff out there are genuine, not at all, 99.99% is fake.
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lihardem said:
A person isn't saved through Baptism. Baptism is a public confession that you were a sinner and that you accepted Jesus.
I personally have been baptized like 3 times! Was it necessary? NO WAY. The first time was when I was in infant. I had no control over that. The 2nd times was after I was "first" saved ( I was a teen). Then I got older and realized that I felt something was missing and I didn't accept him with "all my heart". So, I repented and got baptized again.
I have no plans on getting baptized again!
: I love the atmosphere that Pentacostal churches have. I get so excited and am all for praising God. BUT....when a person has an experience with the church constantly lying to you and telling YOU to lie, then I have a problem with it. That was my experience with the pentacostal church. Also, when a lady is so "filled with the sprit" that she slams her head against the pew and has to be rushed to the hospital, then I wonder what's wrong with that picture.
Satan can excite us too. Is it him doing all the work? I don't have the answer for that one.....
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I was baptised twice too.
First as a baby Catholic I was sprinkled. As far as I'm concerned that didn't count at all. Being baptised may not be required to be saved, but it sure as heck has to be a willing act of obedience AFTER the decision to follow Jesus has been made.
Later, when I actually gave my heart to Jesus, I was properly dunked!
First as a baby Catholic I was sprinkled. As far as I'm concerned that didn't count at all. Being baptised may not be required to be saved, but it sure as heck has to be a willing act of obedience AFTER the decision to follow Jesus has been made.
Later, when I actually gave my heart to Jesus, I was properly dunked!
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Hi all,
There's no need to be baptized three or four times, but I guess I can understand why folks do it. Just to make sure.
But if you are baptized in Jesus name only you never have to do it again. The NAME of Jesus washes away all your sin. The blood is applied and there is no need to be rebaptized. We would just need to ask for forgiveness for any sins we may have committed since baptism. Jesus is just to forgive, as he is our advocate.
Col 3:17; " And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do ALL in the NAME OF THE LORD JESUS, giving thanks to God and the Father by him."
It doesn't say do all in the titles, Father, Son and Holyghost, no, the NAME.
The titles do not have any power, only the name does.
God bless
Hi all,
There's no need to be baptized three or four times, but I guess I can understand why folks do it. Just to make sure.
But if you are baptized in Jesus name only you never have to do it again. The NAME of Jesus washes away all your sin. The blood is applied and there is no need to be rebaptized. We would just need to ask for forgiveness for any sins we may have committed since baptism. Jesus is just to forgive, as he is our advocate.
Col 3:17; " And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do ALL in the NAME OF THE LORD JESUS, giving thanks to God and the Father by him."
It doesn't say do all in the titles, Father, Son and Holyghost, no, the NAME.
The titles do not have any power, only the name does.
God bless
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Henry
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Rose the blood of Jesus washes sins not water in a tub, we are baptised because we are saved not to be saved. And the whole name of Jesus thing is oneness presumption, to do thing in the name of Jesus is not to walk around saying "In the name of Jesus" it is to do thing under his authority for his glory and to please him out a heart of gratitude.
Batism is sign not a cause, we are not saved by batism or special words said over us in the water, we are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ, through faith alone.
The bible says "For by GRACE that you are saved through faith: and not of yourselves: It is the gift of God.
and also "In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace.
The bible teaches time and time again that we are saved by the blood of JEsus, and not anything we do which included water batism.
When you place you faith in the waters of batism and think that you are forgiven for preforming a cerimony, using the right words, you ahve only made an idol out of a tub water, and made salvation nothing less then witchcraft spells.
Salvatoin is through faith in Jesus Christ Alone period.
Batism is sign not a cause, we are not saved by batism or special words said over us in the water, we are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ, through faith alone.
The bible says "For by GRACE that you are saved through faith: and not of yourselves: It is the gift of God.
and also "In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace.
The bible teaches time and time again that we are saved by the blood of JEsus, and not anything we do which included water batism.
When you place you faith in the waters of batism and think that you are forgiven for preforming a cerimony, using the right words, you ahve only made an idol out of a tub water, and made salvation nothing less then witchcraft spells.
Salvatoin is through faith in Jesus Christ Alone period.
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Henry,
I understand the concept of the blood.
The water is symbolism . Jesus died on the cross and shed his BLOOD for our sins. Jesus commanded through Peter in the book of Acts to be baptized in Jesus name. Which was very simply and understandlingly put.
Also
Acts 10:47; Can any man forbid water, that these should NOT be baptized?, which have received the Holyghost as well as we?
The water IS important. Salvation is not " Faith alone". The blood washes away our sins,yes, but the Holyghost completes the new birth of WATER and SPIRIT . Yes, God has given us grace, till he comes back for his church. It Is up to us to have faith, but to be saved, it is not by "faith alone".
We ARE forgiven through baptism of water from the blood of Jesus. And if we sin after we are baptized then Jesus is just to forgive us as we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ.
Using the name of Jesus is not just out of gratitude. I cannot beleive you would say that. It is a commandment to use the name.
In Matthew 28:19 it says to baptize IN THE NAME;
Acts 2:38, it sauys to bapztize in the name;
In my last post I quoted a scripture from Col 3:17 that says to do ALL in the name.
We are to cast out devils in the name of Jesus.
How can you dismiss the name of Jesus? It's bible.
And if we are saved by the blood of the lamb, how are we to do that,? By baptizm in water AND spirit, by receiving of the Holyghost. You cannot be saved one without the other.
No, Henry it's not the water alone that washes away our sins, it's the spiritual blood of the lamb.
Why did Jesus get baptized in water if it wasn't so important? It was a symbolism, yes, as he had not died and shed his blood for our sins yet.
But Jesus was a flesh and blood man and in need of baptism,as we are so should we do less?
God bless
Henry,
I understand the concept of the blood.
The water is symbolism . Jesus died on the cross and shed his BLOOD for our sins. Jesus commanded through Peter in the book of Acts to be baptized in Jesus name. Which was very simply and understandlingly put.
Also
Acts 10:47; Can any man forbid water, that these should NOT be baptized?, which have received the Holyghost as well as we?
The water IS important. Salvation is not " Faith alone". The blood washes away our sins,yes, but the Holyghost completes the new birth of WATER and SPIRIT . Yes, God has given us grace, till he comes back for his church. It Is up to us to have faith, but to be saved, it is not by "faith alone".
We ARE forgiven through baptism of water from the blood of Jesus. And if we sin after we are baptized then Jesus is just to forgive us as we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ.
Using the name of Jesus is not just out of gratitude. I cannot beleive you would say that. It is a commandment to use the name.
In Matthew 28:19 it says to baptize IN THE NAME;
Acts 2:38, it sauys to bapztize in the name;
In my last post I quoted a scripture from Col 3:17 that says to do ALL in the name.
We are to cast out devils in the name of Jesus.
How can you dismiss the name of Jesus? It's bible.
And if we are saved by the blood of the lamb, how are we to do that,? By baptizm in water AND spirit, by receiving of the Holyghost. You cannot be saved one without the other.
No, Henry it's not the water alone that washes away our sins, it's the spiritual blood of the lamb.
Why did Jesus get baptized in water if it wasn't so important? It was a symbolism, yes, as he had not died and shed his blood for our sins yet.
But Jesus was a flesh and blood man and in need of baptism,as we are so should we do less?
God bless
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Henry
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Rose
John 3:14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,
15 that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.[1]
16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[2] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
If you read the story in the OT about the snake in the desert it was a snake on a stick, that when those who were bitten by snakes looked on in faith, they were healed, that is saved.
Jesus uses this as a metophore for salvatoin, he said like that snake, so he would be lifted and those who looked on him in faith would be saved to eternal life.
Jesus said that who ever beleives in him, not who ever is bapstised with the right words and speaks in tounges and keeps the so called standards of holiness (which are not holy at all). NO he only said who ever believes in him.
John 6:40 For my Father's will is that everyone who "looks" to the Son and "believes" in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."
John 6:47 I tell you the truth, he who "believes" has everlasting life
Jesus said many times that we are saved by believing in him, not believe and doing this or that.
Romans 3:22 This righteousness from God comes "through faith" in Jesus Christ to all "who believe". There is no difference,
24 and are justified "freely" by his "grace through" the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
25 God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement,[1] "through faith" in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished--
26 he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
27Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith.
You see when you guys say that you are saved because you are batised right, or you are more holy (out side anyways) or that you have obeyed the gospel, which means believe by the way, you are in violation of verse 27. what does it say is it by what we do, NO but by faith.
Romans 3:20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.
Even though you will not admit it batism isjust a work and we not saved by works.
Romans 4:2I f, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about--but not before God.
3 What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."[1]
Abraham believed God, not he did this and that, no he had faith.
Romans 4:5 However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.
faith is credited as righteousness, this is the key to truth. Faith in God alone, not faith plus works, or worse works of faith which are not of any value.
Romans 5:1 Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we[1] have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
We are justified through faith, our peace with God is by faith alone.
How do we out faith in action????
Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
If we believe, we are justified. Hmmm he must have forgotten that bit about batisem and so on. You see this is why that that doctine of batismal regeneration has to be false it is a contredictoin to verses like this.
Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
If we are saved by grace, then there can ot be works or it would not be grace. So then are we saved by grace or works. Well lets take a look.
Ephesians 1:7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace
redeemed by the blood??? what about the water??? LOL.
Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--
9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
We are saved by grace, and not by works. Not by works so you can not brag that you had something to do with it, like you do now.
Anyways we could go on and on because this is what the bible teaches, you see I can find one verse after another because the bible teaches it, and a very good reason for you not to beleive any doctrine that relies on a few verses and a very long explaination as to what those verses mean.
No, a true doctrine would be something you will find everywhere in the bible. And the true doctine of salvation is this.
we are saved through faith in Jesus Christ because of what he did for us, that we can not do.
We are baptised as sign of that saving grace we have already received, and we then follow the Lord out of love and not fear of hell.
Dear, oneness theology is wrong, just flat wrong.
John 3:14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,
15 that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.[1]
16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[2] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
If you read the story in the OT about the snake in the desert it was a snake on a stick, that when those who were bitten by snakes looked on in faith, they were healed, that is saved.
Jesus uses this as a metophore for salvatoin, he said like that snake, so he would be lifted and those who looked on him in faith would be saved to eternal life.
Jesus said that who ever beleives in him, not who ever is bapstised with the right words and speaks in tounges and keeps the so called standards of holiness (which are not holy at all). NO he only said who ever believes in him.
John 6:40 For my Father's will is that everyone who "looks" to the Son and "believes" in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."
John 6:47 I tell you the truth, he who "believes" has everlasting life
Jesus said many times that we are saved by believing in him, not believe and doing this or that.
Romans 3:22 This righteousness from God comes "through faith" in Jesus Christ to all "who believe". There is no difference,
24 and are justified "freely" by his "grace through" the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
25 God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement,[1] "through faith" in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished--
26 he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
27Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith.
You see when you guys say that you are saved because you are batised right, or you are more holy (out side anyways) or that you have obeyed the gospel, which means believe by the way, you are in violation of verse 27. what does it say is it by what we do, NO but by faith.
Romans 3:20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.
Even though you will not admit it batism isjust a work and we not saved by works.
Romans 4:2I f, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about--but not before God.
3 What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."[1]
Abraham believed God, not he did this and that, no he had faith.
Romans 4:5 However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.
faith is credited as righteousness, this is the key to truth. Faith in God alone, not faith plus works, or worse works of faith which are not of any value.
Romans 5:1 Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we[1] have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
We are justified through faith, our peace with God is by faith alone.
How do we out faith in action????
Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
If we believe, we are justified. Hmmm he must have forgotten that bit about batisem and so on. You see this is why that that doctine of batismal regeneration has to be false it is a contredictoin to verses like this.
Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
If we are saved by grace, then there can ot be works or it would not be grace. So then are we saved by grace or works. Well lets take a look.
Ephesians 1:7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace
redeemed by the blood??? what about the water??? LOL.
Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--
9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
We are saved by grace, and not by works. Not by works so you can not brag that you had something to do with it, like you do now.
Anyways we could go on and on because this is what the bible teaches, you see I can find one verse after another because the bible teaches it, and a very good reason for you not to beleive any doctrine that relies on a few verses and a very long explaination as to what those verses mean.
No, a true doctrine would be something you will find everywhere in the bible. And the true doctine of salvation is this.
we are saved through faith in Jesus Christ because of what he did for us, that we can not do.
We are baptised as sign of that saving grace we have already received, and we then follow the Lord out of love and not fear of hell.
Dear, oneness theology is wrong, just flat wrong.
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IndiaInk
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My husband & I attended a non-denominational church which was also Pentecostal for several years on & off. People would be laying on the floor wailing, laughing hysterically et al. interrupting the service or whatever else was going on. The pastor didn't bat an eye, he encouraged it. Once after the service they were playing a recording of a song from Mary Mary & wanted the people to come up to the front and dance & praise God. I didn't want to dance or yelp out loud, so they said if I did, I'd be healed of my depression. A friend of mine was slain in the Spirit & had a stroke right there. The stories go on.
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IndiaInk
Wow sounds like a few churches that I have been to, do you know that there is no bilibcal support for being slain in the spirit as they say. Actually the bible teaches the we should be solber and alert at all times. Certainly falling on the floor and acting like fish out of the water is not solber and alert LOL.
Typically these are nothing more then emotional out burst that have not true sprititual value to them at all. Not to mention that they make us look liek idiots.
Remember that is faith in JEsus that heals, not some act you preform. If you are battleing with depression just pray to the Lord for that answer as to why, he is prepairing you for something in it all. And if you find it is some chemical imbalance go to the doctor nad get what you need, God made doctors for reason right.
Sorry to hear that lady had a stroke, I hope she is doign well now.
Anyways if you are new here, we talk about two kinds of pentocostals here, the ones who are just charismtic but hold to the basic doctrines such as the trinity salvatoin by grace and so on.
And the oneness who deny the trinity and salvation by grace and so on.
Which is yours, does your pastor teach a trinity or oneness.
thanks
Wow sounds like a few churches that I have been to, do you know that there is no bilibcal support for being slain in the spirit as they say. Actually the bible teaches the we should be solber and alert at all times. Certainly falling on the floor and acting like fish out of the water is not solber and alert LOL.
Typically these are nothing more then emotional out burst that have not true sprititual value to them at all. Not to mention that they make us look liek idiots.
Remember that is faith in JEsus that heals, not some act you preform. If you are battleing with depression just pray to the Lord for that answer as to why, he is prepairing you for something in it all. And if you find it is some chemical imbalance go to the doctor nad get what you need, God made doctors for reason right.
Sorry to hear that lady had a stroke, I hope she is doign well now.
Anyways if you are new here, we talk about two kinds of pentocostals here, the ones who are just charismtic but hold to the basic doctrines such as the trinity salvatoin by grace and so on.
And the oneness who deny the trinity and salvation by grace and so on.
Which is yours, does your pastor teach a trinity or oneness.
thanks
Rose of Sharon
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IndiaInk said:
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IndiaInk,
That is purely Charasmatic. I'am NOT charasmatic. That is not Apostolic.
There IS a difference. Charasmatics are fake as the day is long.
A REAL apostolic church would never act like that.
Henry,
Maybe that was the problem where you were. You think?
Honest answer, okay.
