People should be more Universal

[smaller]

Yeah, seems to be true. Some people have stated this by saying it's dualism. Anyway, would I start trying to force myself being so called God children. Yes and NO, I understand the law, ethics and morality and I don't want to hurt nobody. But for me there's a difference between darkness and evilness.

The scriptural lesson involved here is that "all" universally "have" sin. Scripture/Jesus describes this action as "internal" and "evil" and "defiling" and "deceptive" and "blinding" by this adverse nature of evil.

The easiest evidence for a "male" to observe is this one:

Matthew 5:28
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

The internal "deception" of evil continues from that point, justifying or excusing such activity as "natural or normal," but it's not. It's adultery in heart, proving the existence of internal evil and sin.

Jesus painted it up even more precisely, which evidence is plastered around the globe, continually, daily, here:

Matthew 15:
18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20 These are the things which defile a man:

Mark 7:
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

The call of Christ is to divide from such, to reign over such, and to understand that these are alien to Gods children, and are demonic slaveship, internally, in our hearts.

I am not like some here, who deny these "thoughts" exist within me, personally. But I understand that their "source" is not me, and therefore, I see and divide, as Christ has so directed.

When you speak of "universality" most here would agree to love our neighbors as ourselves is important, but there is also cause to keep a wary eye on everyone, for the above reasons.

Love and sound judgments go hand in hand.

So, we might say, God loves you, and simultaneously hates the internal adversary that blinds people's minds to the Gospel. And this is partly how Gods Love in Christ is "perceived." It is not apart from judgments against evil, even in ourselves.

 

[deep'n'dark]

Eora, reba, Rick W, WIP
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[Blake]

Please delete my account Admin.

There's no need to run in the opposite direction, brother. The word of God is a sword. All of us have been pricked by it. I would have never come to Christ otherwise! You think that I am doing you a disservice or that I'm being cruel to you, but I'm not. It's tough love. God loves you, but you need to be able to let go of the idol of philosophy and pride of knowledge and the corrupting filth of esoterica! It is all empty. I know from experience. The thing about occult knowledge is, it's endless, and it's addictive, by design. When one tidbit of information is revealed to you, it points to three other things like it that you can't understand, and you'll find in the end that you have learned thousands of fruitless, meaningless tidbits of information that have in no way changed your life, you are running around with a huge head full of cryptic knowledge that in no way serves you. It's the temptation of Adam and Eve, God is willing to offer you all of paradise, but you would rather know what the one forbidden tree of knowledge says. I've run the road you're on. It ends in madness -- truly. At my own personal end of it I was paranoid, hearing voices, and was so keen on seeing what other people couldn't see, that I was losing my actual grip on reality. It's the classic adage of the abyss staring back into you.

How did I change? Convicting, hard, brimstone and fire revelations from Spirit-filled men of God. The first reaction is to run away, or hate the deliverer. No sir. That's when you need to stay. God will take a person such as you, and use you to deliver others from the snares you once fell into. There is already an inkling of faith inside you, and you don't need it to be validated by a sign. His sheep know His voice. There is a reason you can't shake Him or His teachings. But there are idols in your way.

 

[Ph8th]

You can delete my account now.

Brother I pray you get on your knees and call out to Him I pray you stay there until He answers

 

[smaller]

You wanted to be more "universal" but that requires listening to "both sides" of the equations.

Bring internal evil under subjection is a message that will always be resisted by the factual evil that ALL have within.

At least part of you heard.

So, good luck with being universal and truthful, from there.

 

[Blake]

Amen, smaller. You know what tells me that there is hope for our brother Deep? The Gospel offended something in him. It is better to be hot or cold than indifferent. He has not yet been given over to a reprobate mind.

 

[smaller]

Amen, smaller. You know what tells me that there is hope for our brother Deep? The Gospel offended something in him. It is better to be hot or cold than indifferent. He has not yet been given over to a reprobate mind.

It is not "Deep" that took offense. We know that the "god of this world" both blinds people to Gods Love, and covers himself in the process. If "Deep" is meant to understand, he's heard enough to "SEE," God granting. I am aware that the evil in people's hearts runs from exposures. So, more light for Mr. Deep, was provided. No offenses to him, every offense to the evil in the heart of man.

Matthew 11:6
And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.

 

[Ph8th]

Being more universal is being more worldly and we (Christians) are to live in this world but not be part of it. If you love the world God has no love for you 1 John 2:15 (NASB)

 

[WIP]

Eora, reba, Rick W, WIP
Please delete my account Admin.

Accounts cannot be deleted but you do have the option of no longer posting or visiting CFnet. I hope that you would not choose either of those options. Some of what has been posted may have been a bit on the harsh side but then you did come to a Christian site and promote another view.

 

[WIP]

Being more universal is being more worldly and we (Christians) are to live in this world but not be part of it. If you love the world God has no love for you 1 John 2:15 (NASB)

I don't want to turn this into a debate as this is not the forum for that but I'm not sure I would agree with this statement completely and will offer another view. 1 John 2:15 NASB does not say that God has no love for someone that loves the world, it says God's love is not in them. I see that as meaning that God's love will not show or shine from them. God loves us all and although we were yet sinners (enemies), Christ died for us. See Romans 5:10.

Likewise, God loves you too, deep'n'dark and never forget that. He stands at the door knocking. Open it to Him.

 

[jeff77]

deep'n'dark please take a look at our statement of faith. Do you think you pretty much believe in and agree with these statements?
Doctrinal Statement
We believe that the Bible is inspired by God in its entirety, and is without error in the original autographs, a complete and final written revelation from God.

We believe that there is only one God, who is eternal and immutable, and manifests Himself in three distinct Persons; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

We believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the promised Messiah, born of a virgin, totally without sin, God in human flesh, the One Who died on the cross for our sins, was buried, rose again from the dead on the third day, and ascended to the right hand of the Father in heaven, where He now intercedes for us who believe in Him.

We believe that all humanity is lost and born with a sinful nature, and can only be saved by a personal faith in the death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, and not by any human merit or performance.

We believe in a personal devil, called Satan, who, along with all his angels, called demons or evil spirits, are destined to spend eternity in hell, and now seek to deceive the world, defeat the believers, and destroy the work of God, but can be resisted by believers, who are protected by God and the intercession of Jesus Christ our Lord.

We believe that heaven is a real place where the saved will dwell forever, and that hell is a literal place of torment where unbelievers will be punished.

We believe that genuine believers are born again by the Holy Spirit of God, and are indwelt, baptized into the body of Christ, the true church, and sealed by the Holy Spirit, and thus, unable to be separated from the love of Jesus Christ.

We believe that all believers need to be filled and empowered by the Holy Spirit to live a godly life and to be bold in our witness for the Lord.

We believe in the spiritual unity of all genuine believers in the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[childeye]

Ok, well I don't feel like this religion is an obvious thing to accept by me.

The above is a very forthright statement.

Here is what is obvious about Christianity. That God is a Person that would sacrifice Himself to save others, while conversely, he is not a person who would sacrifice others to save himself.

Every worldly power holds sway by means of brute force. If you do not accept the worldly power, then you are punished unto submission. However the power that comes in the Christ submits Himself to a cross of death and forgives those who do not accept him. He therefore seeks to serve all rather than be served by all.

God is the term applied to that which is Eternal. For example where the energy comes from that is in all things.

 

[JPPT1974]

We are of the world. True but as Christians. We should think like Christ and act like Christ despite that. As we know heaven is eternal.

 

[Ph8th]

I don't want to turn this into a debate as this is not the forum for that but I'm not sure I would agree with this statement completely and will offer another view. 1 John 2:15 NASB does not say that God has no love for someone that loves the world, it says God's love is not in them. I see that as meaning that God's love will not show or shine from them. God loves us all and although we were yet sinners (enemies), Christ died for us. See Romans 5:10.

Likewise, God loves you too, deep'n'dark and never forget that. He stands at the door knocking. Open it to Him.

Thanks brother.......I stand corrected

 

[deep'n'dark]

Ok, so freedom of speech isn't allowed on these forums? Of course there's people with their own view. There's nothing wrong with "Unversality" - actually Universality is a teacher inside us that teaches us to do right things. Universality = orthodoxy'd evolution road to the right direction.

 

[Ph8th]

Ok, so freedom of speech isn't allowed on these forums? Of course there's people with their own view. There's nothing wrong with "Unversality" - actually Universality is a teacher inside us that teaches us to do right things. Universality = orthodoxy'd evolution road to the right direction.

Being a Christian we are bound by our beliefs in God and we choose to live the life we were given, there for we live it in obedience to Him. He is love and His ways are good. We have Holy Spirit who dwells in us that leads us in all truth. We are given choice to follow our flesh and things not of Him but we choose to please Him. We are not perfect we do not always make the right choices, we do make mistakes. But God forgives and is patient. I pray God will open your eyes and draw you to Him. Because He is the only way.
peter

 

[deep'n'dark]

Being a Christian we are bound by our beliefs in God and we choose to live the life we were given, there for we live it in obedience to Him. He is love and His ways are good. We have Holy Spirit who dwells in us that leads us in all truth. We are given choice to follow our flesh and things not of Him but we choose to please Him. We are not perfect we do not always make the right choices, we do make mistakes. But God forgives and is patient. I pray God will open your eyes and draw you to Him. Because He is the only way.
peter

I think there's a wide choices of as smart and even smarter ideologies, like Universality, becuase I don't have to fight against the all critics that bomp in mind when thinking of christianity. You sure know how lot of the people feel uncomfortable about God connection that can't be proofed to be a God-connections.

 

[Ph8th]

I know a man who had a heart attack and died he was without a pulse for 20 minutes in 2005. His brother went to him from a neighboring state to unplug him from life support. When his brother got there he had started breathing on his own. The brother was told due to the brain damage that he would be under nursing care for the rest of his life. He could not sit up he was fed through a tube and peed in a bag and did not know who he was for months. He had to be taught to eat again, he would try to inhale his food. He went from being pushed in a wheel chair to operating it, then walker and cane. He left the nursing home in the beginning of 2006. His memory was so that he would ask mid sentence what are we talking about. In August of 2007 2 years to the month he did the first triathlon of his life and another in 2008 and 2009. He quit watching tv in 2006 and spent his time with the Lord he professes God everywhere he goes. The Lord gave him a ministry of poetry which he retains lots of it in his head. This guy never wrote poetry before. You were asking about proof of God ....... this fellow is living proof God is still performing miracles. This man's life before reflected all the worldly garbage drugs alcohol and every nasty act you can imagine. But God drew Him and gave Him a new heart and a new life. That life he lives for Him. His encounter with God is seen in all of his life.
Some think him being alive is the miracle but the real miracle is the man left and his heart for God.
peter

 

[smaller]

Ok, so freedom of speech isn't allowed on these forums? Of course there's people with their own view. There's nothing wrong with "Unversality" - actually Universality is a teacher inside us that teaches us to do right things. Universality = orthodoxy'd evolution road to the right direction.

And that is absolutely correct. We all have to follow the good dictates of our own conscience and it is foolish to do otherwise. What I pointed out to you earlier, and what you may have taken offense to is that scripture DOES look and deal with our internal's, specifically our "evil" conscience, and condemns it. Yet we all have it to deal with. Dishonesty will get no reader of scripture anywhere and dishonesty will stop everyone who reads therein. And thusly, when any of us engage therein, we all have partial and blocked sights, because of our factual internal construct with an evil conscience.

I personally consider people who can't speak honestly about this to be dishonest, deceiving and controlled in part by that internal evil, believer or not.

I think what you may be getting at is that you may not be all that interested in following other people's contrivances of God in Christ, and I would agree with that sight. There are many forms and postures of God in Christ that I would never concede to or agree with that are in the sphere's of groups or men.

Nevertheless our own imaginations also contain the potential of deceptions, continually. Again, anyone who is honest with themselves will arrive at that conclusion, OR they can wallow in their fantasies.

 

[smaller]

I think there's a wide choices of as smart and even smarter ideologies, like Universality, becuase I don't have to fight against the all critics that bomp in mind when thinking of christianity. You sure know how lot of the people feel uncomfortable about God connection that can't be proofed to be a God-connections.

There is zero reason to take offense at the Christian presentation of God in Christ.

God is entirely for good, for love, and against evil. Oooo. Sooo bad. These are not difficult concepts or presentations. Is it an offense to understand that God has expressed His Love and forgiveness of our evil in the form of His Own Sacrifice?

That is Jesus, on the cross, loving and forgiving YOU. And it is there that we enter our own wrestling match, to simply believe, and to move away from our own internal evil.