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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
Read through the following study by Tenchi for more on this topic
https://christianforums.net/threads/without-the-holy-spirit-we-can-do-nothing.109419/
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
Join Sola Scriptura for a discussion on the subject
https://christianforums.net/threads/anointed-preaching-teaching.109331/#post-1912042
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That's exactly my point destiny. You don't want to debate because you claim that it is your position that is based on the Word and not man, yet we can all claim the same. I was just wondering how you came to the conclusion that yours is the only legitimate understanding based on Scripture.destiny said:
destiny
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I don't want to debate it because I believe that anybody who believes That Jesus is God to them, Is the only way to God, Is the only way to obtain salvation; and also anyone who doesn't pervert the character Of God, is indeed my brothers and sisters in Christ.Free said:
Be it trinitarian or anyone who sees the Godhead a little differently.
There are core issues that have to be believed.
I never said mine was the only legitimate understanding, although I believe it is a ligitimate understanding because I don't prevert or misrepresent the character of God or the name of Jesus Christ my Lord and savior.
The reason I don't debate it is because someone is always looking for an i that isn't dotted exactly the way they think it should be, so they call you a heretic or worse.
There are issues that could put a person in the heretic camp, I just wish some people had enough discernment to know the difference.
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thessalonian
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Destiny,
Is your list of things that put people in the "heretic camp" the right one? Natrually you would think so but how do you know what list is the right one? Have you known a heretic who thought that what he believed put him in the "heretic camp"? I haven't. Are you sure your discernment is correct?
Is your list of things that put people in the "heretic camp" the right one? Natrually you would think so but how do you know what list is the right one? Have you known a heretic who thought that what he believed put him in the "heretic camp"? I haven't. Are you sure your discernment is correct?
jgredline
Member
destiny said:
Destiny
I Pray that God will reveal himself to you. If you don't believe that Jesus is God then Jesus Christ in not your Lord and saviour. Sorry to be so blunt but this is a Salvation issue. I am not here to change or try to change your mind as that is the function of the Holy Spirit who is also God. I am hoping that if there is someone on the fence on this issue they will see that your views are not of God and perhaps they will find the true Jesus who is God who came in the flesh as the son of God. In other words God a part of himself.
to the topic, please
jgredline
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Wow
Vic You are right. Destiny I applogize for falsely Accusing you.
I humbly ask that you will forgive me..
I have a bit of a Peter mentality and I need to work on it.
I have a passion for defending the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.
I have studied appologetics for many years and it was not until I joined
this forum have I have had to apply what I have learned. Oh I have had run ins with many cults on an individual level but never to the extent of what i have run into on this forum.Never have I seen so many people who believe these lies that the evil one is spreading on this forum. That is both a good and bad thing.
Good in that if the evil one is vigourasly fighting here and that means that the True Gospel Of Jesus Christ is also being preached here.
Bad in that the possibility of people being lead astary is real.
Destiny. May the lord bless you and keep you.
JG
Vic You are right. Destiny I applogize for falsely Accusing you.
I humbly ask that you will forgive me..
I have a bit of a Peter mentality and I need to work on it.
I have a passion for defending the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.
I have studied appologetics for many years and it was not until I joined
this forum have I have had to apply what I have learned. Oh I have had run ins with many cults on an individual level but never to the extent of what i have run into on this forum.Never have I seen so many people who believe these lies that the evil one is spreading on this forum. That is both a good and bad thing.
Good in that if the evil one is vigourasly fighting here and that means that the True Gospel Of Jesus Christ is also being preached here.
Bad in that the possibility of people being lead astary is real.
Destiny. May the lord bless you and keep you.
JG
destiny
Member
You are forgiven, but the problem is we aren't really hearing what people are saying nor can the body discern it's own parts.jgredline said:
Thats why theres so much division in the body of Christ where there should be unity.
We need to seriously ask ourselves "would I have been standing in the crowd on that day shouting, 'crucify Him'? We sure do it to each other.
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thessalonian
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Destiny,
What you say is true. There is great division in the Christian world. But in resolving that division we must not compromise truth. Two theologies that conflict cannot be both true. Either one or both is in error. We are told that we can know the truth as well. "You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free". "Those who worship God shall worship in spirit and in TRUTH". Now from what I can see the cause of this division you speak is rooted in the 16th century since that is where the roots of 99% + of the denominations and divisions you speak of are found.
What you say is true. There is great division in the Christian world. But in resolving that division we must not compromise truth. Two theologies that conflict cannot be both true. Either one or both is in error. We are told that we can know the truth as well. "You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free". "Those who worship God shall worship in spirit and in TRUTH". Now from what I can see the cause of this division you speak is rooted in the 16th century since that is where the roots of 99% + of the denominations and divisions you speak of are found.
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BradtheImpaler
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Would a theology be contradictory, or absurd, to propose an object of worship which was 3 Gods but only one person? (This does not have to do with whether that is true or whether there is any such religion, but that in theory, would this present an absurdity?)
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thessalonian
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There are enough trinity threads. The purpose of this is to discuss how the term person applies to God.
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BradtheImpaler
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Free said:
I am glad you agree my example is absurd, we are halfway there :angel:
Please explain why it is absurd.
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unred typo
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I hope I'm in the right thread. 
: I lost the one I was reading this in...
A relationship with the true God of the Bible is necessary for salvation but knowing exactly what his physiological make up is not essential to that relationship. If an unknown benefactor pays your tuition for college, you will benefit without even knowing the person’s name.
While I believe that knowing the makeup of God is not essential to salvation, it is fun to exercise our minds on these mysteries. I think the concept of God’s nature is best explained by the way man is made. It seems reasonable that if we were made in God’s image, we should bear a resemblance to him. Since he is the invisible spirit and we are not just spirit but body, soul and spirit, we don’t appear to be like him in the physical realm. I suppose he could be like the invisible man with invisible arms and legs, etc. but I doubt it. Our likeness to him has to be more than that.
We have conscious self awareness. We think and form thoughts. We have the ability to make decisions. We can put our thoughts into words and actions. This is like God. Didn’t Jesus quote, “Ye are gods?†We can’t create tangible things with just our words though. Our bodies must be empowered by our thoughts to do our creating. In the beginning, God is said to speak (within himself?), let us make man in our image, after our likeness. I don’t think he was speaking to angels because later in the Bible we learn that all things were made by Jesus Christ, the Word, working through the Spirit of God.
The Spirit then, must be comparable to our bodies, the working agency of God. The Word, or pre-incarnate Christ, compares to our soul which seems to be the body with the life within. The Father seems to be the originator of God's thoughts and intents. As our living bodies respond to our thoughts and give feedback through our senses throughout our physical bodies, the Father gives direction to and receives input from the Son and the Spirit.
Our bodies themselves don’t generally have ability to act on their own but take the commands we generate in our minds and act on them. While our minds are within our physical brains and bodies, our minds are separate from the brain and body tissues. God the Father is separate from the Word and Spirit but they were in reality, one being, just as a man is one being instead of three. I say ‘were’ because when the Word of God became man, that situation may have changed. Although they are still one in spirit, they may now be two, but who’s counting? :wink:
: I lost the one I was reading this in...A relationship with the true God of the Bible is necessary for salvation but knowing exactly what his physiological make up is not essential to that relationship. If an unknown benefactor pays your tuition for college, you will benefit without even knowing the person’s name.
While I believe that knowing the makeup of God is not essential to salvation, it is fun to exercise our minds on these mysteries. I think the concept of God’s nature is best explained by the way man is made. It seems reasonable that if we were made in God’s image, we should bear a resemblance to him. Since he is the invisible spirit and we are not just spirit but body, soul and spirit, we don’t appear to be like him in the physical realm. I suppose he could be like the invisible man with invisible arms and legs, etc. but I doubt it. Our likeness to him has to be more than that.
We have conscious self awareness. We think and form thoughts. We have the ability to make decisions. We can put our thoughts into words and actions. This is like God. Didn’t Jesus quote, “Ye are gods?†We can’t create tangible things with just our words though. Our bodies must be empowered by our thoughts to do our creating. In the beginning, God is said to speak (within himself?), let us make man in our image, after our likeness. I don’t think he was speaking to angels because later in the Bible we learn that all things were made by Jesus Christ, the Word, working through the Spirit of God.
The Spirit then, must be comparable to our bodies, the working agency of God. The Word, or pre-incarnate Christ, compares to our soul which seems to be the body with the life within. The Father seems to be the originator of God's thoughts and intents. As our living bodies respond to our thoughts and give feedback through our senses throughout our physical bodies, the Father gives direction to and receives input from the Son and the Spirit.
Our bodies themselves don’t generally have ability to act on their own but take the commands we generate in our minds and act on them. While our minds are within our physical brains and bodies, our minds are separate from the brain and body tissues. God the Father is separate from the Word and Spirit but they were in reality, one being, just as a man is one being instead of three. I say ‘were’ because when the Word of God became man, that situation may have changed. Although they are still one in spirit, they may now be two, but who’s counting? :wink:
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BradtheImpaler
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thessalonian said:
Very well then. Let the Trinitarians explain what the term person means. I have been desiring to hear this definition from them a long time. I personally believe that it is necessary for the Trinitarian to keep the exact definition a bit unclear but we'll see. Certainly, if Trinitarians insist on stating that God is "3 Persons", when the bible never expressly states that, they should at least be able to tell us what the term person, in this regard, means, and what it doesn't mean. Otherwise what right has anyone to use the term if it only causes confusion?