Phil 1:6 teaches eternal security

[Butch5]

Paul and Timothy, slaves of Christ Jesus, to all the saints in Christ Jesus being in Philippi, together-with the overseers and deacons: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. I am giving-thanks to my God upon every remembrance of you, always in my every petition for you all making the petition with joy on-the-basis-of your partnership for the good-news from the first day until the present,​

Philippians 1:1-5 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Philippians 1:1-5&version=DLNT

Is a partnership for the good-news (the spreading of the Gospel we all have a commission to do) from the “first day” until the present not referring to “all the saints in Christ (Messiah) Jesus”? How many Philippians called Jesus the Messiah on “the first day? None, they weren’t there on the first day. Not even Paul or Timothy were calling Jesus Messiah on the first day.

He’s obviously talking to all Gospel partners (saved people) who are making the petition (not just a few specific deacons).

Did you read part where he said to all the saints in Philippi?

 

[chessman]

Did you read part where he said to all the saints in Philippi?

Yes. I would include them in with all the partners of the good news. Specifically those partners in the present in Phillippi.

Now, would you like to address your claim as measured against the partners from “the first day”? I.e. answer my question.

 

[Butch5]

Yes. I would include them in with all the partners of the good news. Specifically those partners in the present in Phillippi.

Now, would you like to address your claim as measured against the partners from “the first day”? I.e. answer my question.

Just because you would include them doesn't mean Paul did. He said to the saints, deacons, and overseers in Philippi. He didn't say to the saints, deacons, and overseers, in Philippi, Galatia, Corinth, America, and every other nation. He was addressing the Philippians.

Your question is irrelevant because Paul addressing the Philippians. However, it's pretty clear. their partnership was from the first day that they were partners. When the church was started.

This thread is a perfect example of why people find the Bible so confusing. It's because people just randomly apply passages of Scripture however they please. They apply it without regard for context, historical setting, the recipients, etc............

 

[chessman]

Your question is irrelevant because Paul addressing the Philippians. However, it's pretty clear. their partnership was from the first day that they were partners. When the church was started.

No, it’s relevant.

Pretty clear their “partnership” was from the first day they were partners when the church in Philippi started, huh???

that I might know Him and the power of His resurrection and the partnership of His sufferings, being conformed to His death if somehow I might attain to [the power of] the resurrection-out from the dead.​

Philippians 3:10-11 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Philippians 3:10-11&version=DLNT

Actually, it’s pretty clear when the first day of their partnership began via the Text itself. At His suffering and resurrection.

And speaking of the Text, did you know that was your 5th of 5 disagreement post without supporting your position with any Texts?

 

[Butch5]

No, it’s relevant.

Pretty clear their “partnership” was from the first day they were partners when the church in Philippi started, huh???

that I might know Him and the power of His resurrection and the partnership of His sufferings, being conformed to His death if somehow I might attain to [the power of] the resurrection-out from the dead.​

Philippians 3:10-11 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Philippians 3:10-11&version=DLNT

Actually, it’s pretty clear when the first day of their partnership began via the Text itself. At His suffering and resurrection.

And speaking of the Text, did you know that was your 5th of 5 disagreement post without supporting your position with any Texts?

Say what? The Philippians weren't suffering for Christ before them became Christians. You're making my point about randomly applying passages. This is why people are so confused. Surely you're not arguing that Paul was suffering for or with Christ when he was out persecuting Christians, right?

 

[chessman]

Surely you're not arguing that Paul was suffering for or with Christ when he was out persecuting Christians, right?

I’m asking you to defend your original claim about this letter (it’s not about salvation or for non-1st Century Philippians) in light of the entire Gospel partnership (first day to the present) Paul mentioned in this letter (the passages I’ve posted). And your only response so far is “irrelevant” and now “random passages “. They’re not irrelevant or random passages. They plainly indicate Paul’s views of who are the partners he’s talking about.

But to answer your question (though I don’t know why): First, I could believe Paul was a space alien from another Galaxy and it wouldn’t help your weak case here. You need to address the question I asked you and stop calling it irrelevant or coming from random passages. For goodness sake, it’s his letter whereby he defines the partnership.

But here’s my Biblical answer to your question: Yes, Paul had been set apart to particularly partner within God’s Gospel plan from the womb: “Say What, Chessman???”

But when God, who had set me apart even from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace, was pleased to reveal His Son in me so that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with flesh and blood,​

Galatians 1:15-16 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Galatians 1:15-16&version=NASB

I know, I know, it sounds amazing. Say what, Paul???

 

[JLB]

Paul and Timothy, slaves of Christ Jesus, to all the saints in Christ Jesus being in Philippi, together-with the overseers and deacons: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. I am giving-thanks to my God upon every remembrance of you, always in my every petition for you all making the petition with joy on-the-basis-of your partnership for the good-news from the first day until the present,​

Philippians 1:1-5 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Philippians 1:1-5&version=DLNT

Is a partnership for the good-news (the spreading of the Gospel we all have a commission to do) from the “first day” until the present not referring to “all the saints in Christ (Messiah) Jesus”? How many Philippians called Jesus the Messiah on “the first day? None, they weren’t there on the first day. Not even Paul or Timothy were calling Jesus Messiah on the first day.

He’s obviously talking to all Gospel partners (saved people) who are making the petition (not just a few specific deacons).

That would be like saying the letters to the different Churches in Revelation were meant for all believers.


Each Church was addressed according to their individual behavior as a Church.

The Corinthians had their issues as well as their strengths.

The truths of the doctrine is the same, however each church has their own identity and own issues.



JLB

 

[Butch5]

I’m asking you to defend your original claim about this letter (it’s not about salvation or for non-1st Century Philippians) in light of the entire Gospel partnership (first day to the present) Paul mentioned in this letter (the passages I’ve posted). And your only response so far is “irrelevant” and now “random passages “. They’re not irrelevant or random passages. They plainly indicate Paul’s views of who are the partners he’s talking about.

But to answer your question (though I don’t know why): First, I could believe Paul was a space alien from another Galaxy and it wouldn’t help your weak case here. You need to address the question I asked you and stop calling it irrelevant or coming from random passages. For goodness sake, it’s his letter whereby he defines the partnership.

But here’s my Biblical answer to your question: Yes, Paul had been set apart to particularly partner within God’s Gospel plan from the womb: “Say What, Chessman???”

But when God, who had set me apart even from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace, was pleased to reveal His Son in me so that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with flesh and blood,​

Galatians 1:15-16 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Galatians 1:15-16&version=NASB

I know, I know, it sounds amazing. Say what, Paul???

Firstly, if your going to challenge what I said, it would be nice if you actually challenged what I said. I didn't say the letter wasn't for non 1st century Philippians. I said the letter was written to the Philippians. I didn't say the letter wasn't about salvation. I said the passage in question wasn't about salvation. So, essentially you're debating with yourself. Again, you're making my point about randomly applying passages. You read my posts and came away with something that I didn't say. I see why the posts claiming the verse is about salvation doesn't say what is claimed either. Philippians 1:6 is not about eternal salvation. As I said to FreeGrace, if you study Paul's ministry you'll see what the "good work" is.

 

[JLB]

Again, you're making my point about randomly applying passages

:amen

 

[chessman]

He's talking to the Philippians, not all Christians.

I said the letter was written to the Philippians.

You said it was not for all Christians.

He said nothing about salvation.

didn't say the letter wasn't about salvation.

You said “He said nothing about salvation”. Did you mean nothing in v6?

I said the passage in question wasn't about salvation.

No, you didn’t. You said “nothing”.

I am giving-thanks to my God upon every remembrance of you, always in my every petition for you all making the petition with joy on-the-basis-of your partnership for the good-news from the first day until the present, being confident-of this very thing: that the One having begun a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ— just as it is right for me to think this about you all because of my having you in my heart, both in my imprisonment and in the defense and confirmation of the good-news, you all being my co-partners of grace.​

Philippians 1:3-7 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Philippians 1:3-7&version=DLNT

Furthermore, v3-7 is literally one long sentence talking about (you guessed it) Christ completing His work.

 

[chessman]

That would be like saying the letters to the different Churches in Revelation were meant for all believers.

How many letters (plural) do you think make up the Revelation of Christ?

The truths of the doctrine is the same, however each church has their own identity and own issues.

Is it a true doctrine (or not) that Paul was confident (very confident in fact) that the One having begun a good work in all the partners of Christ will perfect His work that He began?

 

[Papa Zoom]

He who began a good work in me is continuing it and will continue it. I am confident of this very thing. I am kept in His love by His love!

 

[Butch5]

You said it was not for all Christians.

Please point out where I said what you believe I said.

You said “He said nothing about salvation”. Did you mean nothing in v6?

That's what the OP is about.

No, you didn’t. You said “nothing”.

Yes I did. I said that the passage says nothing about salvation. Please show me where you see salvation in that passage. The implication of the thread is that the "good work" is salvation. Please show where that idea comes from.

I am giving-thanks to my God upon every remembrance of you, always in my every petition for you all making the petition with joy on-the-basis-of your partnership for the good-news from the first day until the present, being confident-of this very thing: that the One having begun a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ— just as it is right for me to think this about you all because of my having you in my heart, both in my imprisonment and in the defense and confirmation of the good-news, you all being my co-partners of grace.

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Philippians 1:3-7 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Philippians 1:3-7&version=DLNT

Furthermore, v3-7 is literally one long sentence talking about (you guessed it) Christ completing His work.

That may be but that doesn't mean the "good work" is the salvation of the Philippians. Since you posted this passage let me ask you what is the partnership that Paul speaks of? Before you answer salvation, consider that in none of Paul's other letters does he speaks of the church members being in a partnership with him. Jesus when He addresses the seven churches in Revelation never mentions anything about them being in partnership with Him. Nowhere else in Scripture do we find people being in partnership with Jesus or an apostle for the good news. So it would seem that this is the only church of which this was said. so, what is the partnership?

 

[chessman]

Please point out where I said what you believe I said.

I have already done so, twice.

Please show me where you see salvation in that passage. The implication of the thread is that the "good work" is salvation. Please show where that idea comes from.

Sure partner, even though I already have:

The word Paul uses for their partnership with the Gospel (and it is a partnership with the Gospel, the good-news, he mentioned in the very same sentence) is:
koy-nohn-ee'-ah - participation, communion, fellowship

It’s the same word Paul uses often.
http://biblehub.com/greek/2842.htm

Not only in this letter but 1st and 2nd Corinthians, Ephesians, Galatians, Romans, Hebrews and Philemon.

on-the-basis-of your partnership for the good-news from the first day until the present,​

Philippians 1:5 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Philippians 1:5&version=DLNT

Since you posted this passage let me ask you what is the partnership that Paul speaks of?

The participation, the fellowship, the communion with the Gospel that saves!

Before you answer salvation, consider that in none of Paul's other letters does he speaks of the church members being in a partnership with him.

ridiculously false assertion there brother.

Here’s what he said to open his communication with the Corinthian “brothers”:

God is faithful, through Whom you were called into fellowship (koy-nohn-ee'-ah) with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.​

1 Corinthians 1:9 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=1 Corinthians 1:9&version=DLNT

Heres how he so Gracefully ends it:

The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship (koy-nohn-ee'-ah) of the Holy Spirit be with you all.​

2 Corinthians 13:14 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=2 Corinthians 13:14&version=DLNT

Are you getting the picture here??? He’s “partners” with BOTH The Philippi brothers and the Corinthian brothers AND the Son AND the Holy Spirit and ...

Here’s what he said to the Galatians:

But on-the-contrary, having seen that I have been entrusted the good-news for the uncircumcised just as Peter for the circumcised— for the One having worked in Peter for an apostleship of the circumcised worked also in me for the Gentiles— and having recognized the grace having been given to me, James and Cephas and John, the ones having-the-reputation-of being pillars, gave the right hands of fellowship (koy-nohn-ee'-ah) to me and Barnabas, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.​

Galatians 2:7-9 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Galatians 2:7-9&version=DLNT

I am giving-thanks to my God always while making mention of you in my prayers, hearing- of your love and the faith which you have toward the Lord Jesus and for all the saints, so that the fellowship (koy-nohn-ee'-ah) of your faith may become effective in the knowledge of every good thing in us for Christ.​

Philemon 1:4-6 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Philemon 1:4-6&version=DLNT

Yep, Philemon’s faith was a partnership (with the Son and the Holy Spirit) as it is with “all the saints”!

 

[JLB]

How many letters (plural) do you think make up the Revelation of Christ?

Nice try.

The book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ is one book, that contains 7 different letters to address seven different churches.

The Lord had different things to say to each church and each angel over that church.

20 The mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands which you saw are the seven churches. Revelation 1:20

• the seven lampstands which you saw are the seven churches.

1. To the angel of the church of Ephesus write,
2. And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write,
3. And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write,
4. And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write,
5. And to the angel of the church in Sardis write,
6. And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write,
7. And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write,

Each Church had areas of strength as well as areas of correction that needed to be addressed.


I think we can all agree that the book of Revelation is scripture and falls into the category of all scripture is good for instruction in righteousness, in which all can benefit from it, if we take heed to the words.



JLB

 

[chessman]

The book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ is one book, that contains 7 different letters to address seven different churches.

What’s your definition of a letter?

Nice try.

It’s nice because it’s true that it’s one revelation, not seven letters. Are you aware of why it’s correctly referred to as the book of Revelation and not incorrectly as the ‘letters of Revelations’?

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His slaves the things which must take-place quickly, and He signified, having sent-forth through His angel to His slave John,​

Revelation 1:1 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Revelation 1:1&version=DLNT

John, to the seven churches in Asia: Grace to you and peace from the One Who is and Who was and Who is coming, and from the seven Spirits that are before His throne, I came-to-be in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like [the sound] of a trumpet, saying “Write in a book [he didn’t say write in seven different letters] what you see, and send it to the seven churches— to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamum, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea”.​

Revelation 1:4,10-11 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Revelation 1:4,10-11&version=DLNT

John addressed all seven churches in “a book” singular because that’s exactly what He was told to do, write a book not seven different letters. Each church got the one written book, as “His slaves” also do 2,000 years later.

The Lord had different things to say to each church and each angel over that church.

So what??? In Ephesians, Paul had different things to say to wives than he did to husbands and different things to say to children than he did to parents. Doesn’t make his letter multiple letters.

 

[JLB]

What’s your definition of a letter?

Words written to a specific person or group.

This is a letter to you.

Not to Reba.

Not to wondering.

Not to Papa Zoom.


It’s written to you.

 

[JLB]

It’s nice because it’s true that it’s one revelation, not seven letters.

Who said the book of Revelation was seven letters?

 

[JLB]

So what??? In Ephesians, Paul had different things to say to wives than he did to husbands and different things to say to children than he did to parents. Doesn’t make his letter multiple letters.

No it doesn’t.

Is the book of Ephesians written to the Corinthians?

Did Paul write a letter to Timothy, but sent it to Phillipi?


How would Timothy benefit?

 

[chessman]

Words written to a specific person or group.

Then John wrote as instructed a single letter and sent everything he wrote (the whole Revelation of Christ) to all seven churches. He did not write seven different letters.