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In his video distributed on DVDs, Joseph Prince says that in our prayers, we need not be bothered whether we are adding the name Jesus. He says Paul never added 'In Jesus name' in during his miracles, so in our spontaneous prayer, we should not be worried whether we are saying a perfect prayer by adding the name Jesus. He even makes fun of it saying that the name of Jesus has become a rabbits foot or a lucky charm in our prayer. He overcomes this by saying that Jesus the high priest anyway takes our prayer to God. This is deceptively dangerous and demonic teaching. Jesus himself says that anything you ask in my name will be granted. 'Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it. John 14:13-14'
Jesus is asking us to consciously intercede in his name. But we get demonic teaching like this to avoid the name of Jesus. When we intercede in the name of Jesus, we are claiming our salvation and our right as re-born children of God.

Joseph Prince says that we are trying to do a perfect prayer by adding the name of Jesus, and by doing that we do not need the High Priest Jesus to take our prayer to God. He says by saying a perfect prayer by including the name of Jesus we do not leave room for grace to work. He says that if do a perfect prayer (by adding the name of Jesus) we are DISQUALIFIED from the horn of grace. He says that perfect prayer (adding Jesus) leaves no room for grace. What can be more blasphemous than that. He said that Paul tells the lame man to get up and Joseph Prince jokes that he wanted to tell Paul that you forgot to add the name of Jesus so make him lie down again.

Joseph Prince says that Peter told a dead girl, 'Tabitha Arise' and she rose. Joseph Prince again jokes that he wanted to tell Peter that you forgot to say Jesus, put her back to death and try again! But he does not mention Acts 3:6 where Peter clearly said, “I have no silver or gold, but what I do have I give you. In the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, stand up and walk!” Why did Joseph Prince not wish to tell Peter his theory of disqualification, that by adding the name of Jesus he has disqualified himself from grace. He says he is teaching his core group that there is no room for grace when you mention Jesus, so he says your prayer do not have to be perfect (mentioning Jesus) you just have to be aware that you're righteous and speak from your heart (meaning forget Jesus) A preacher who encourages you to avoid the name of Jesus is an advocate of the devil! Joseph Prince is a devil's advocate.

So I received the CD from an outlet from JP here in SC, because it wasn't available on the .org.
Anyway, it's the wrong one, not even close to the same SKU#. This one you mention is from 2007, pretty old. I've emailed them to get a return # and get the right one sent.
I'm still working on it.....
 
In his video distributed on DVDs, Joseph Prince says that in our prayers, we need not be bothered whether we are adding the name Jesus. He says Paul never added 'In Jesus name' in during his miracles, so in our spontaneous prayer, we should not be worried whether we are saying a perfect prayer by adding the name Jesus. He even makes fun of it saying that the name of Jesus has become a rabbits foot or a lucky charm in our prayer. He overcomes this by saying that Jesus the high priest anyway takes our prayer to God. This is deceptively dangerous and demonic teaching. Jesus himself says that anything you ask in my name will be granted. 'Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it. John 14:13-14'
Jesus is asking us to consciously intercede in his name. But we get demonic teaching like this to avoid the name of Jesus. When we intercede in the name of Jesus, we are claiming our salvation and our right as re-born children of God.

Joseph Prince says that we are trying to do a perfect prayer by adding the name of Jesus, and by doing that we do not need the High Priest Jesus to take our prayer to God. He says by saying a perfect prayer by including the name of Jesus we do not leave room for grace to work. He says that if do a perfect prayer (by adding the name of Jesus) we are DISQUALIFIED from the horn of grace. He says that perfect prayer (adding Jesus) leaves no room for grace. What can be more blasphemous than that. He said that Paul tells the lame man to get up and Joseph Prince jokes that he wanted to tell Paul that you forgot to add the name of Jesus so make him lie down again.

Joseph Prince says that Peter told a dead girl, 'Tabitha Arise' and she rose. Joseph Prince again jokes that he wanted to tell Peter that you forgot to say Jesus, put her back to death and try again! But he does not mention Acts 3:6 where Peter clearly said, “I have no silver or gold, but what I do have I give you. In the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, stand up and walk!” Why did Joseph Prince not wish to tell Peter his theory of disqualification, that by adding the name of Jesus he has disqualified himself from grace. He says he is teaching his core group that there is no room for grace when you mention Jesus, so he says your prayer do not have to be perfect (mentioning Jesus) you just have to be aware that you're righteous and speak from your heart (meaning forget Jesus) A preacher who encourages you to avoid the name of Jesus is an advocate of the devil! Joseph Prince is a devil's advocate.

I received a reply to my email yesterday. They are sending the correct CD and told me to keep the one they had mistakenly sent earlier. They were very apologetic.
 
Um, I almost always say "in Jesus' name" when praying... in part because I guess I am a bit superstitious... and in part because I cannot hear or say the name Jesus / Yeshua enough.

But no... we need not add the phrase since as believers in Jesus all our prayers are in his name with that regard... even though they are not necessarily in his name with regard to what we are praying about even when we add the phrase in Jesus' name... James says we ask amiss to spend the blessings of answered prayer on our lusts.
 
In his video distributed on DVDs, Joseph Prince says that in our prayers, we need not be bothered whether we are adding the name Jesus. He says Paul never added 'In Jesus name' in during his miracles, so in our spontaneous prayer, we should not be worried whether we are saying a perfect prayer by adding the name Jesus. He even makes fun of it saying that the name of Jesus has become a rabbits foot or a lucky charm in our prayer. He overcomes this by saying that Jesus the high priest anyway takes our prayer to God. This is deceptively dangerous and demonic teaching. Jesus himself says that anything you ask in my name will be granted. 'Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it. John 14:13-14'
Jesus is asking us to consciously intercede in his name. But we get demonic teaching like this to avoid the name of Jesus. When we intercede in the name of Jesus, we are claiming our salvation and our right as re-born children of God.

Joseph Prince says that we are trying to do a perfect prayer by adding the name of Jesus, and by doing that we do not need the High Priest Jesus to take our prayer to God. He says by saying a perfect prayer by including the name of Jesus we do not leave room for grace to work. He says that if do a perfect prayer (by adding the name of Jesus) we are DISQUALIFIED from the horn of grace. He says that perfect prayer (adding Jesus) leaves no room for grace. What can be more blasphemous than that. He said that Paul tells the lame man to get up and Joseph Prince jokes that he wanted to tell Paul that you forgot to add the name of Jesus so make him lie down again.

Joseph Prince says that Peter told a dead girl, 'Tabitha Arise' and she rose. Joseph Prince again jokes that he wanted to tell Peter that you forgot to say Jesus, put her back to death and try again! But he does not mention Acts 3:6 where Peter clearly said, “I have no silver or gold, but what I do have I give you. In the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, stand up and walk!” Why did Joseph Prince not wish to tell Peter his theory of disqualification, that by adding the name of Jesus he has disqualified himself from grace. He says he is teaching his core group that there is no room for grace when you mention Jesus, so he says your prayer do not have to be perfect (mentioning Jesus) you just have to be aware that you're righteous and speak from your heart (meaning forget Jesus) A preacher who encourages you to avoid the name of Jesus is an advocate of the devil! Joseph Prince is a devil's advocate.

Don't read this unless you want to know what JC, said on the CD, in part anyway.
I only posted all of this because of the OP being so far off from what was said, grrr...:hips

Well I got this CD today and I listened to it. I wish that I could post the audio on this board.
It is actually very good. It's on Romans 5:17, Ruth and Boaz, kinsman redeemer, and Leviticus. He explains how the priest doesn't examine the person who brought the sacrifice for the atonement but he examines the sacrifice. Jesus was the perfect sacrifice, without spot or wrinkle.. ...
The only joking he does is when he tells the church were to find Leviticus. He names the books of Torah, then says, "you know, the one that the pages are suck together."

He tells about reading all different books on how to pray the perfect prayer. He said he was trying so hard to do that, that later he'd wonder if he had said, In the name of Jesus Christ. He studied how they prayed in the Bible. And he realized it wasn't about praying a perfect prayer, Paul and Peter just said what they needed done. He did say, as he was reading, he said Paul you didn't say in Jesus name, same with Peter, but he did mean it against them, he was thinking of his own foolishness. And how is wasn't a rabbits foot. Then he talked about just talking to the Lord, or crying out to Him, Abba Father what should I do. He said he thinks the Father is like we are as parents, how we love it when our children come to us just to talk or with their needs.

He never said anything about the name of Jesus disqualifying someone from grace!
He told them that if they were wanting church to hurry up and get over so they could go "have a puff" (cigarette) then that habit had control over them, or if they wanted it over so they could go watch porn, then that sin has control over their life.
So he tells them, you were sinners but now you have been made righteous, in Christ. Start seeing yourself as the Lord says you are, and you will act as you believe you are and you will not have trouble with sin. It's OK to see a pretty woman and say she's really pretty, that is natural to think, but if you have trouble not leaving it at that, go tell God about it. Tell Him you need help, and He will help you.
God has given you a gift of righteousness, but if you never knowledge it because you don't think your worthy, then you have denied one of God's gifts to you.
He told a story (fiction) as an analogy of the above, where he gives a family a car they needed. He says I'll give them a Lambo, no a Ferrari, and the church OOs and Ahs and he says don't do that over a car, it's just a piece of metal. But what the Lord gives is so much better......:janitor
 
In his video distributed on DVDs, Joseph Prince says that in our prayers, we need not be bothered whether we are adding the name Jesus. He says Paul never added 'In Jesus name' in during his miracles, so in our spontaneous prayer, we should not be worried whether we are saying a perfect prayer by adding the name Jesus. He even makes fun of it saying that the name of Jesus has become a rabbits foot or a lucky charm in our prayer. He overcomes this by saying that Jesus the high priest anyway takes our prayer to God. This is deceptively dangerous and demonic teaching. Jesus himself says that anything you ask in my name will be granted. 'Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it. John 14:13-14'
Jesus is asking us to consciously intercede in his name. But we get demonic teaching like this to avoid the name of Jesus. When we intercede in the name of Jesus, we are claiming our salvation and our right as re-born children of God...


if we have honestly to testify about who is an advocate of the devil, then we have to say that every person who prophesies/preaches in favor of the unsalvation and perdition is suchlike

the Name of Jesus Christ is the Righteousness of His God the Father, and the Righteousness of God in one word is: everything good for all humans/souls, not just for some

so from this viewpoint not everything is in accordance with the Name of Jesus, for example if some believer wants from God to ruin the true Saints, will this be in the Name of Jesus, especially after Christ has said: "whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea."(Matthew 18:6)?!, or if some cleric serves the unsalvation and perdition, will this be in the Name of Jesus, especially after Christ has said: "the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them."(Luke 9:56)?!

so if some worshipper says e.g.: "God, cast the people into the hell in the Name of Jesus", will this be right/sinless, especially after Jesus as well as everyone of His true disciples did only good things for the other people?!, and even children in the churches were taught to use the Name of Jesus in vain, and they fought each other there saying: "i beat you in the Name of Jesus" - is this right?!

Blessings
 
John 16. 23 ¶ And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.

26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.


Those last 2 verses are problematic for those who habitually say 'in Jesus' name...' (as I do).

v 26 seems to be saying that Jesus doesn't NEED to pray for you - because the Father loves you and will act for you.

If we look at the other places where IN THE NAME OF JESUS is used, we find that :

People are baptised in the name of Jesus.

There is no prayer offered using the words 'in the name of Jesus'

There is no prayer offered through Jesus apart from these 2, both of which are thanksgivings by Paul. Whether these can properly be regarded as prayers is somewhat dubious in my opinion.

Ro 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Ro 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

However, in doing this little investigation, I came across this surprising fact:

In both the cases which follow, the word through in the KJV, is the word EN. Which means IN usually, NOT through:

Ro 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through (IN) Jesus Christ our Lord.
Ro 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through (IN) Jesus Christ our Lord.

How can this be? You can see the translators avoiding the correct rendering of those prepositions. possibly because they could not make sense of the IN.

How can one be IN Jesus Christ?

As always, the context answers the question. This whole chapter (Rom. 6) is about baptism, so

6. 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

If we are baptised INTO Christ, we are therefore IN Him.

If you jump INTO a swimming pool, you are necessarily IN the pool. And as long as we are IN HIM, we are alive, and will receive eternal life because of that fact, as vv 11,23 above state.

And any prayer we offer is a prayer IN HIS NAME - where believers currently are.

This, in fact solves another problem which the translators again avoided in, of all places, John 3.16

Here is the KJV, and every other version I have been able to see:

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

IN is the Greek preposition EIS, which literally means, in hundreds of places, INTO.

The verse therefore, should read:

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth INTO him should not perish, but have everlasting life

John obviously means whosoever believes the gospel, and is BAPTISED INTO His name, will be saved.

Jesus said exactly the same thing: He that believeth and is baptised shall be saved. Note, this excludes infant baptism/sprinkling automatically, since an infant cannot 'BELIEVE' AND SPRINKLING IS NOT BAPTISM AS PRACTICED BY THE APOSTLES.

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

There is nothing mystical about it, it is a simple statement of the believer's status and position in the sight of God, once he has been baptised INTO CHRIST.
 
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Well I got this CD today and I listened to it. I wish that I could post the audio on this board.
It is actually very good. It's on Romans 5:17, Ruth and Boaz, kinsman redeemer, and Leviticus. He explains how the priest doesn't examine the person who brought the sacrifice for the atonement but he examines the sacrifice. Jesus was the perfect sacrifice, without spot or wrinkle.. ...
The only joking he does is when he tells the church were to find Leviticus. He names the books of Torah, then says, "you know, the one that the pages are suck together."
......:janitor
Thanks Deb :thumbsup:thumbsup
 
Jesus Christ is the Lord Himself, exactly He and God the Father are the so-called Lord God, and the Name of Jesus is the perfect love for all humans/souls of the universe which is the Righteousness of God, but it is something which is impossible without Jesus, because God the Father sends His Spirit through Jesus, that is why it was said and written:

John 10:30 "I and my Father are one.",

John 14:1-31 "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe. Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me. But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.",

John 15:26-27 "when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.",

John 16:7-28 "I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world(i.e. the world of the human(666) religion/spirituality) of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father. Then said some of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me: and, Because I go to the Father? They said therefore, What is this that he saith, A little while? we cannot tell what he saith. Now Jesus knew that they were desirous to ask him, and said unto them, Do ye enquire among yourselves of that I said, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me? Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy. A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world. And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full. These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father."

so, there is a single true God so that the Father appears through the Son Jesus and Christ is the path to the Father, so Jesus is the connection wherethrough we can ask the Father

Blessings
 
I'd like to raise a question about the Forum as a whole.

On the very front page, it is described as: One Spirit, One Body, One Forum.

I assume that this is an allusion to Ephesians 4.

4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

In constructing the title, you clearly missed the stepwise structure of this passage.

It starts with the body (ie the church), rises to the Spirit, moves up to the Lord Jesus, and ends with the exaltation of the Father who, as the verse plainly says, is above all.

How then can He be omitted from the very front and highest position?

It is deplorable, in my opinion, and should be altered immediately.

So many Pentecostal churches, and doubtless others, have blazoned over their front doors, the claim that JESUS IS LORD.

So He is. But that allusion is to Philippians 2, where it emphatically says: "..that Jesus Christ is Lord: TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER"

How can you glorify someone by failing to mention Him? As I say, it's a deplorable practice, and one that should be corrected immediately.
 
I also noticed this just now:

ChristianForums.net desires to serve non-Christians, seeking answers to questions about Christianity, by sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ so they too may acquire the hope, joy, and peace that come from fellowship with the saving grace of our Lord, Jesus Christ.

Guess who's missing again?

What have you guys got against mentioning God?
 
...4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

In constructing the title, you clearly missed the stepwise structure of this passage.

It starts with the body (ie the church), rises to the Spirit, moves up to the Lord Jesus, and ends with the exaltation of the Father who, as the verse plainly says, is above all.

How then can He be omitted from the very front and highest position?

It is deplorable, in my opinion, and should be altered immediately...


in principle you are right about this, because exactly God the Father is the almighty God which (fact) was repeatedly mentioned by Jesus Himself

Luke 18:18-19 "And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good(also: Mighty) Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good(also: mighty), save one, that is, God.",

Matthew 20:20-28 "came to him the mother of Zebedees children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him. And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom. But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able. And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father. And when the ten heard it, they were moved with indignation against the two brethren. But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many."

so the prayer should first be directed to God the Father in the Name of Jesus Christ as well as it is shown in the exemplary prayer "Our Father" in Matthew 6:9-13

Blessings
 
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