vic said:
MrVersatile48 said:
I just have time to post this link:-
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 519#276519
2 posts have said, 'the wrath of Satan'
But Revelation etc shows God's wrath against sin
I don't see ant reference to this on that link. :-? Why the link?
Anyway, the Great Tribulation IS Satan's wrath against God's elect. Personally, I choose the use the word persecution.
Hi Vic
Sorry my rush to beat autologout caused confusion
I meant that I saw 2 posts in this thread - you've now made it 3 - saying it's Satan's wrath we must fear
I just read, on a similar thread elsewhere, that Rev 14 specifies that - as the OT Prophets & Jesus warned - it's the wrath of
God against sin that
He Himself commands to be poured progressively on Earth in Revelation 6,8,9, 13 & 16-19 etc -
'treading the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath of God' - (that verse is in Rev 19)
Rev 14
9A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, 10
he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name."
Rev 19
The Rider on the White Horse
11I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. 12His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter."[a]
He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
1 Thessalonians 5 makes it clear that we who love Jesus are not destined to go thru that time of God's wrath - which is called 'The Day of The Lord' in Joel 3, Zechariah 14 & Isaiah 61 etc
Isaiah 61
The Year of the LORD's Favor
1 The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me,
because the LORD has anointed me
to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim freedom for the captives
and release from darkness for the prisoners, [a]
2 to proclaim the year of the LORD's favor
and the day of vengeance of our God,
The church is in Rev 2-3
Rev 4:1 pictures the instant airlift Rapture that Jesus promised in Matt 24:30-31
Here would be a good place to print part of my linked post from another thread, because neither Armageddon nor Hell are moot academic points of no consequences: we need to warn all we can to 'flee from the wrath to come':-
Revelation forecast the classic escalation pattern leading to Armageddon in Rev 16-19
In Rev 6:8, 25% of mankind die in war, famine, pestilence & by the wild beasts of Earth
In Rev 9:13-18, 33% of mankind die in war begun at R Euphrates - (also a catalyst in Rev 16 - it dries up to make way for a massive invasion of Israel, via the mountains in between, by 200 million 'kings of the east'
Their number is in Rev 9 - prophesied when the whole world population was less than that - but in 1961, Chairman Mao boasted that China could field 200 million militia at the drop of a hat
Her population is now @ 1.3 billion & an amazing % are males of military age, thanks to a policy of killing girl babies
As Daniel 12 said, these prophecies would only become clear 'at the time of the end' - we now have all the techno for both the Global Big Brother of Revelation 13:15-18 & for the global thermonuclear holocaust of Joel 3, Zechariah 14, Isaiah 24 & Rev 16-19 etc
Ezekiel 38-39 invasion of Israel by a vast alliance of E European, Arab & N African powers, under Russia, is also in the build-up, as Armageddon itself involves all the world's armies under Antichrist, & Christ returns to slaughter them all
"Then all nations shall know that the Lord alone is God, when I vindicate My Word thru you"
We see the world turning more & more against Israel now, & the world's media censoring out God's warnings: we can only pray that today's crisis will be used by God to persuade many editors, worldwide, to recognise public right to know the Word of the Almighty Creator
Why not email
http://www.bbc.co.uk &
http://www.sky.com etc?
Joel 2 promised that God will 'pour out His Spirit on all flesh' - in the case of sinners, it's 'to convict of sin, righteousness & judgement'
When Daniel realised that the Babylonian captivity was coming to an end, he prayed home the prophecies - there are many more prophecies about the lead-up to Christ's return- more than @ His 1st coming to Earth, because God has had His final purposes in mind from before the Creation
'Now is the acceptable time: behold, now is the day of salvation'
Our Great Commission is to proclaim God's Word to every nation
& Jesus tied His return to our completing it - in Matt 24 - so let's speed our Lord's return, to cut short the awful persecution of so many of our brothers & sisters in Christ, worldwide
God bless!
Ian
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