Poll: Respecting her tattoo wish

[farouk]

my youngest son has a few tatoo's..he isnt saved yet but Im trusting in that day when he is..and yes I hate his tatoos as well,even more so because he is my son,but what I hate most is he is lost and undone right now ..my least worry is a tatoo..his soul is what matters to me most ,no a tatoo he has..

and so u will know where im coming from I dont go around preaching tatoos and piercings, I preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the Lord does the cleaning up when they get saved..and He uses His Word to do that whether it be thru them reading it or whether a sunday school teacher or their pastor or whoever..

anyway
God bless and have a good day

Evangelist

Inservice: God bless your son; keep praying for him; I'm sure you do.

(Anyway, sounds like your daughter/daughter-in-law & granddaughter haven't gotten any.)

Blessings.

 

[Slider]

For a Christian your interest in tatoos and women seem a bit odd. You feel it is legitimate to keep up with this obsession that is how I see it. Whether the topic is legitimate is irrevelant. The problem I have is your OBSESSION with it. Why Where are these women when they discuss these things with you. The fact is that you are the only Christian that I have heard with such a topics. The next time a woman comes to you and ask about a tattoo, tell her you would prefer her to discuss the sermon on the mount. Let me know what kind of response you get. The fact that you seem so upset speaks volumes. Have a great evening.

Abide, I've enjoyed your posts and love your zeal, but I must stand up for my friend Farouk here...

I don't know that Farouk has an obession with women with tatooes... I think he has an obsession with Tattooes in general. Or maybe it's just a hobby with him. To me it's seems harmless and ok. At least he's tying it into the Lord. I have a love for history of all kinds to the point that I read history.com daily and read books of all sorts on history. If I could, I'd turn back the clock and be a history teacher! But I got into history because I wanted to understand how it pertains to the Bible. Thus, my obsession with history is because of my obsession with Jesus!

Farouk seems to have an obsession with Tattooes... Having a tattoo is not going to keep you out of heaven nor is it going to get you into heaven... As long as the tattoo doesn't blaspheme God, it's simply on the flesh, which isn't going to inherit the kingdom. So it doesn't matter! As for his obsession.... I like history, football, Madden video games and exercise... None of this profits my inward man. It's just "stuff" to me to keep me occupied inbetween my building of the inward man. So if Farouk likes tattooes... It's not a problem anymore than me liking football stuff.

Now, Farouk is promoting and asking about tattooes as it relates to God and faith. It seems to me that it can be a testimony to God, and I agree with him although I disagree with him on what the Hebrew law says about them. We had a long disagreement on that, but as Christians, we are not under the Law.

I have a tattoo and it has nothing to do with God. It has to do with my wild youth and I still have it. I keep it, but I have put it away as a childish thing. I don't despise it though.... I am thinking of a religious based tattoo on my shoulder blade....

NOw, as for women with religious tattooes. I have no problem with it. As long as the religious tattoo portrayed the truth. The Bible says we shouldn't look upon the flesh, but on the spirit.

 

[farouk]

Abide, I've enjoyed your posts and love your zeal, but I must stand up for my friend Farouk here...

I don't know that Farouk has an obession with women with tatooes... I think he has an obsession with Tattooes in general. Or maybe it's just a hobby with him. To me it's seems harmless and ok. At least he's tying it into the Lord. I have a love for history of all kinds to the point that I read history.com daily and read books of all sorts on history. If I could, I'd turn back the clock and be a history teacher! But I got into history because I wanted to understand how it pertains to the Bible. Thus, my obsession with history is because of my obsession with Jesus!

Farouk seems to have an obsession with Tattooes... Having a tattoo is not going to keep you out of heaven nor is it going to get you into heaven... As long as the tattoo doesn't blaspheme God, it's simply on the flesh, which isn't going to inherit the kingdom. So it doesn't matter! As for his obsession.... I like history, football, Madden video games and exercise... None of this profits my inward man. It's just "stuff" to me to keep me occupied inbetween my building of the inward man. So if Farouk likes tattooes... It's not a problem anymore than me liking football stuff.

Now, Farouk is promoting and asking about tattooes as it relates to God and faith. It seems to me that it can be a testimony to God, and I agree with him although I disagree with him on what the Hebrew law says about them. We had a long disagreement on that, but as Christians, we are not under the Law.

I have a tattoo and it has nothing to do with God. It has to do with my wild youth and I still have it. I keep it, but I have put it away as a childish thing. I don't despise it though.... I am thinking of a religious based tattoo on my shoulder blade....

Slider:

Well, ty for your various supportive comments. I do hope I don't seem too 'obsessed', though... Maybe 'interested' is what I would more aspire to...

Interesting to read of your further plans. You could always check out your local parlor for some ideas for your shoulder tattoo.

NOw, as for women with religious tattooes. I have no problem with it.

Nor do I have a problem, either.

Many women like to do it, anyway, whatever I may or may not think. In fact it's said that about 60% of tattoos in North American parlors are received by women. Faith based ones are undoubtedly a growth area, and among these 60% of clients, the fact that many are needled with Scripturally based designs with evident confidence is even a good thing, I would reckon, anyway. (My two cents'.)

Blessings.

 

[farouk]

Since tattooing in general IS a very widespread practice now among women, then, if a Christian woman was keen to consider on having a specifically Scriptural-related faith tattoo, then I wouldn't see any reason why she shouldn't go ahead and have it done.

Blessings.

 

[Nick]

Since tattooing in general IS a very widespread practice now among women, then, if a Christian woman was keen to consider on having a specifically Scriptural-related faith tattoo, then I wouldn't see any reason why she shouldn't go ahead and have it done.

Blessings.

Well, depending of course on the people she normally interacts with. Or he. I'm not sure why the gender breakdown here .

Regardless of the Christian tattoo wearer's enthusiasm for faith-related tattoos and witnessing, if this is going to be an issue in the local community regarding different points of view on the subject, then perhaps it does more harm than good. Unless you live in an area where tattoos are the done thing, wearing one may cause division among the Body, and perhaps cause others to stumble. We should avoid both.

 

[farouk]

Well, depending of course on the people she normally interacts with. Or he. I'm not sure why the gender breakdown here .

Regardless of the Christian tattoo wearer's enthusiasm for faith-related tattoos and witnessing, if this is going to be an issue in the local community regarding different points of view on the subject, then perhaps it does more harm than good. Unless you live in an area where tattoos are the done thing, wearing one may cause division among the Body, and perhaps cause others to stumble. We should avoid both.

Nick:

Well, you must know about where you live.

I must admit that I'm colored by being in North America. Locally, even several of the — female — staff of banks happen to have tattoos, visible ones, and there isn't anything unusual about it. I'm not saying this is a direct witness; not at all.

But I guess it's part of the background climate to the fact that many Christians are happen to consider acquiring their faith-related designs.

Blessings.

 

[Nick]

Nick:

Well, you must know about where you live.

I must admit that I'm colored by being in North America. Locally, even several of the — female — staff of banks happen to have tattoos, visible ones, and there isn't anything unusual about it. I'm not saying this is a direct witness; not at all.

See this is what it comes down to: you obviously live in a more liberal area in regards to tattoos. Over where I live, people would never get employed at banks if they had tattoos.

Perhaps then you can appreciate the attitude some on this forum take against tattoos - it's just not for them or for the people in their community. It may be an affective witness in some situations, but definitely not others.

But I guess it's part of the background climate to the fact that many Christians are happen to consider acquiring their faith-related designs.

Blessings.

Er, not necessarily. Not many of the people I know. And I'm talking about many of the young, evangelistic Christians.

 

[farouk]

See this is what it comes down to: you obviously live in a more liberal area in regards to tattoos. Over where I live, people would never get employed at banks if they had tattoos.

Perhaps then you can appreciate the attitude some on this forum take against tattoos - it's just not for them or for the people in their community. It may be an affective witness in some situations, but definitely not others.


Er, not necessarily. Not many of the people I know. And I'm talking about many of the young, evangelistic Christians.

Nick:

Well, here it happens. And not at just one bank either; it's a non issue. Around here, anyway.

I guess this would kind of indicate that if Christians ARE motivated to use this means, it's pretty well legit. Around here, anyway.

Blessings.

 

[Nick]

Nick:

Well, here it happens. And not at just one bank either; it's a non issue. Around here, anyway.

I guess this would kind of indicate that if Christians ARE motivated to use this means, it's pretty well legit. Around here, anyway.

Blessings.

I'm not saying it's not. I'm simply saying that every local area is different.

 

[farouk]

I'm not saying it's not. I'm simply saying that every local area is different.

Nick:

Oh I can see that you're not necessarily arguing that it's not legit. And you can see that especially in areas where it's done, where even bank employees have them without compunction, where there's no stigma, then Christians are likely to take advantage of witness opportunities using this means, right?

Blessings.

 

[Davies]

farouk,

I see you have a lively thread over the subject of tattoos. I think it's strange you're still talking about tattoos. That's why I laughed when Abide asked what your fascination was with them, because it was months ago that you were talking about it.

I think the answer to the question is, yes, I respect the choice a woman, or a man for that matter, to get a tattoo, and I don't think it's inherently sinful. I don't think it's a good idea. I mean, I respect a Muslim's choice to believe in Allah and Mohammed. Though a witnessing encounter can be effective in starting a conversation, I think it draws too much attention to the person and not to God. Personally, I don't want men looking at my wife's body even if he or she is trying to figure out what it is. Secondly, instead of dressing ourselves in tattoos, why don't we dress in this manner:

Colossians 3:12

New King James Version (NKJV)

Character of the New Man

<sup class="versenum">12 </sup>Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering; (emphasis added)


1 Peter 5:5

New King James Version (NKJV)

Submit to God, Resist the Devil

<sup class="versenum">5 </sup>Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for
“God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.”<sup class="footnote" value="[<a href=" http:="" www.christianforums.net="" &quot;#fen-nkjv-30471a&quot;"="" target="_blank">a]">[a]
</sup>
(emphasis added)

A tender, kind, merciful, humble person is a much more effective witness than a tattoo or even a Bible tract, and I'll be the last person to down play the importance of using one's mouth to explain the Gospel. The motivation to get a tattoo to help someone start witnessing encounters is not against the law, but our love for God should be all the motivation we need to talk to someone.

- Davies

 

[Twonky]

Should Christians respect a woman's wish for a tattoo?

Uhm....hello....

Why should we Christians respect or disrespect a woman`s wish for a tattoo?...Just asking because it sounds like we Christians are the Owner of all Womans in the World and that we have to allow them to get a tattoo.....

Anyway my Opinion of this is:
If a man wants a tattoo...yes
If a woman wants a tattoo....Hell no that would be satanic


just kidding i don`t care if someone wants a tattoo or not and i don`t think i`m allowed to judge about that or that someone need my permission to get a tattoo.
and about what are we talking here?.....what God`s opinion of this is?....I don`t know if tattoos are a sin or not....But I know that Jesus died for our Sins ....so If the person which wants the Tattoo is truly in Christ It´s okay..if the person isn`t WHO CARES this person needs Christ instead of talking about is he/she allowed to have a Tattoo.

Btw. I´m Pretty new here and not an English Native Speaker so sorry for mistakes and stuff

 

[farouk]

Davies:

Great and relevant verses which you quoted. The emphasis should be on the inward and spiritual aspects, truly. (I think I'd also point out that there are some folk who wouldn't even go as far as you do, and disparage all tattoos, and by extension their wearers, even those motivated to use faith based designs as witness tools.)

twonky: You are absolutely right about the need for Christ being the important thing. I think if you read some of the comments, the significance for a Christian getting a Scripture-based faith tattoo design is often with a view to helping people to start conversations with people about exactly what you are saying.

Thank-you Davies and twonky, for some good thoughts.

 

[farouk]

Personally, I don't want men looking at my wife's body even if he or she is trying to figure out what it is.

PS: Davies:

I take your point generally, but I doubt whether anyone would have a problem with a WWJD bracelet on a wrist, or, if a woman is in the military, the rank shoulder/upper arm insignia. In terms of tattoo placements, we are hardly talking about nudity here at all.

 

[Davies]

PS: Davies:

I take your point generally, but I doubt whether anyone would have a problem with a WWJD bracelet on a wrist, or, if a woman is in the military, the rank shoulder insignia. In terms of tattoo placements, we are hardly talking about nudity here at all.

farouk,

I'm not talking about nudity. Even adornment, jewelry, body piercings are not sinful in and of themselves, but I'd think you'd agree they draw attention to the person. Who knows what men find exciting to the flesh, just about anything and everything. Men don't need encouragement to look at the female body. People often wear these items to find acceptance from other people. Who knows all the different motivations for why people get tattoos. I'm will to go out on a limb and say the motivation to get tattoos to initiate witnessing encounters is miniscule. That would be the last reason anyone would get a tattoo. Most people I know who have them wish they never did get one. That's why there is an industry for removing them. Tattoos are nice cosmetics.

- Davies

 

[farouk]

farouk,

I'm not talking about nudity. Even adornment, jewelry, body piercings are not sinful in and of themselves, but I'd think you'd agree they draw attention to the person. Who knows what men find exciting to the flesh, just about anything and everything. Men don't need encouragement to look at the female body. People often wear these items to find acceptance from other people. Who knows all the different motivations for why people get tattoos. I'm will to go out on a limb and say the motivation to get tattoos to initiate witnessing encounters is miniscule. That would be the last reason anyone would get a tattoo. Most people I know who have them wish they never did get one. That's why there is an industry for removing them. Tattoos are nice cosmetics.

- Davies

Davies:

Oh well, you're entitled to your impressions of course.

But would you really discount the wish of an earnest young man who goes away to join the military and wants to make a stand for his faith in the barrack room, and chooses to have a tattoo that reflects it?

Or would you dismiss a shy, pastor's daughter's desire, as she goes away to college, to overcome her diffidence by having, say, a wrist tattoo that will enable her to talk to other young people more easily about faith matters?

And (you mentioned jewelry) do you really have a problem with preachers' wives who wear one or more pairs of earrings?

I'm not sure that we can really dismiss people's motives in such a way.

Blessings.

 

[Davies]

Davies:

Oh well, you're entitled to your impressions of course.

...

And (you mentioned jewelry) do you really have a problem with preachers' wives who wear one or more pairs of earrings?

Or would you dismiss a shy, pastor's daughter's desire, as she goes away to college, to overcome her diffidence by having, say, a wrist tattoo that will enable her to talk to other young people more easily about faith matters?

I'm not sure that we can really dismiss people's motives in such a way.

Blessings.

Hi farouk,

I'm sorry to disappoint you with my impressions, and no, I don't have a problem with people wearing ear rings, but part of the problem with tattoos or anything anyone does is knowing their motivation. We don't judge/discern it, but the motivation to get a tattoo isn't necessary to share one's faith. The love of God is necessary which is far superior to sharing one's faith than having a tattoo. YES, I would absolutely discourage my daughter from getting a tattoo because it might help her share her faith. If I want to encourage my daughter to share her faith, I will try to help her understand her own need of salvation so she will share the burden of Jesus to reach the lost. The body does make a nice canvass.

- Davies

 

[farouk]

Hi farouk,

I'm sorry to disappoint you with my impressions, and no, I don't have a problem with people wearing ear rings

Davies:

Okay ; and yes we are talking about tattoos, really.

..but part of the problem with tattoos or anything anyone does is knowing their motivation. We don't judge/discern it, but the motivation to get a tattoo isn't necessary to share one's faith. The love of God is necessary which is far superior to sharing one's faith than having a tattoo.

Yes, I do agree with you here. I have no problem with what you're saying here. It should be a heart matter, first and foremost, and it doesn't necessarily have to be expressed in this particular, outward way.

YES, I would absolutely discourage my daughter from getting a tattoo because it might help her share her faith. If I want to encourage my daughter to share her faith, I will try to help her understand her own need of salvation so she will share the burden of Jesus to reach the lost. The body does make a nice canvass.

- Davies

Well, you must know your own daughter, of course.

But it's useful for people to bear in mind that, once over 18, many young women and men choose to go to the parlor (in fact, it's become almost a rite of passage for many, at their 18th birthday) and some of them will be Christians wanting to express what they believe using this means and thereby facilitating discussion, as has been amply proven.

Blessings.

 

[Davies]

Davies:

Okay ; and yes we are talking about tattoos, really.



Yes, I do agree with you here. I have no problem with what you're saying here. It should be a heart matter, first and foremost, and it doesn't necessarily have to be expressed in this particular, outward way.




Well, you must know your own daughter, of course.

But it's useful for people to bear in mind that, once over 18, many young women and men choose to go to the parlor (in fact, it's become almost a rite of passage for many, at their 18th birthday) and some of them will be Christians wanting to express what they believe using this means and thereby facilitating discussion, as has been amply proven.

Blessings.

farouk,

You really like tattoos! Though I get the idea from your replies throughout this thread, you don't want to hear anything negative about tattoos. You acknowledge other's points of view, but you try bring it back to people are going to do it anyway. Young people are rather impressionable to what's considered a right of passage, susceptible to peer pressure. Half the people in the church, and especially on Christian college campuses, can't even articulate the Gospel let alone explain it to strangers. We have a lot bigger problem with people knowing how to share their faith compared to breaking the ice with people using tattoos.

With a sigh, I respect the wish of women to get tattoos. Now that I'm going to sleep, I will likely dream about women and their tattoos. Maybe they will witness to me about Jesus, or, maybe I'll witness to them.

- Davies

 

[farouk]

farouk,

You really like tattoos!

Davies, Well I guess it's not so much a matter of my own likes and dislikes, such as they are, as the incontrovertible fact that tatts are out there, big time, including faith related designs.

Though I get the idea from your replies throughout this thread, you don't want to hear anything negative about tattoos. You acknowledge other's points of view, but you try bring it back to people are going to do it anyway.

All comments welcome.

Young people are rather impressionable to what's considered a right of passage, susceptible to peer pressure.

I'm sure there is some truth to this. I'm not sure how this alters the fact that faith designs are proven to be very effective in facilitating witness conversations.

Half the people in the church, and especially on Christian college campuses, can't even articulate the Gospel let alone explain it to strangers. We have a lot bigger problem with people knowing how to share their faith compared to breaking the ice with people using tattoos.

This is true, also. They, and we all, need to spend more time with our Bibles.

With a sigh, I respect the wish of women to get tattoos.

I agree.

You and I ought to stick together.

Now that I'm going to sleep, I will likely dream about women and their tattoos. Maybe they will witness to me about Jesus, or, maybe I'll witness to them.

- Davies

Have a nice night.

Blessings.