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...potential existence of extraterrestrials

I didn't check out the link as yet ...too lazy. But, I don't know that too many Christians make allowances for extra-terrestrials other than God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and angels. I'm not exactly sure why. Perhaps someone could enlighten me, if it applies, as to why this might be the case.
 
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SputnikBoy said:
I didn't check out the link as yet ...too lazy. But, I don't know that too many Christians make allowances for extra-terrestrials other than God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and angels. I'm not exactly sure why. Perhaps someone could enlighten me, if it applies, as to why this might be the case.
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Probably fear is the biggest factor. Fear that if they acknowledge extra t's that means man was not created special in the universe and God himself could be an extra t which means the supernatural is probably non existant and therefor no reward for living the Christian life.
 
reznwerks said:
Probably fear is the biggest factor. Fear that if they acknowledge extra t's that means man was not created special in the universe and God himself could be an extra t which means the supernatural is probably non existant and therefor no reward for living the Christian life.
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I have no doubt that there are extraterrestrial forms. They just happen to be mostly in the form of spirits – which are beings we cannot see. Generally the more powerful the spiritual form, the more they are invisible to other spiritual forms. Our universe is made up of the lowest form of spirits, called matter. Mankind has souls which are very high order kinds of spirits, that are trapped in material bodies. Our bodies by being material are inherently evil, and influence us to sin. In addition to that, ‘extraterrestrials’ in the form other spirits from our material universe invade our bodies and cause us to sin further. Therefore we have all been born into a situation in which the odds of us living righteously, and hence powerfully, are stacked greatly against us.

It is important to realize that every behavior is made possible by a spirit. Therefore a person cannot steal, without a spirit that exhibits this behavior being present in him. This is the reason God cannot lie, or cheat, or act unrighteously in any way: because no such spirits live in Him.

Reznwerks,

The truth about our universe and creation will become apparent soon as promised in the Total Book of Enoch 93:9-10. There will be many who will have faith correctly and will be able to make convincing cases and demonstrations about the truth about all things - including our existence. I personally do have faith correctly and do see that the things Christ said (many of which were thrown out by the Catholic Church and called heretical) do in fact offer the best explanation for all things.
 
PDoug said:
reznwerks said:
Probably fear is the biggest factor. Fear that if they acknowledge extra t's that means man was not created special in the universe and God himself could be an extra t which means the supernatural is probably non existant and therefor no reward for living the Christian life.
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I have no doubt that there are extraterrestrial forms. They just happen to be mostly in the form of spirits – which are beings we cannot see. Generally the more powerful the spiritual form, the more they are invisible to other spiritual forms. Our universe is made up of the lowest form of spirits, called matter. Mankind has souls which are very high order kinds of spirits, that are trapped in material bodies. Our bodies by being material are inherently evil, and influence us to sin. In addition to that, ‘extraterrestrials’ in the form other spirits from our material universe invade our bodies and cause us to sin further. Therefore we have all been born into a situation in which the odds of us living righteously, and hence powerfully, are stacked greatly against us.

It is important to realize that every behavior is made possible by a spirit. Therefore a person cannot steal, without a spirit that exhibits this behavior being present in him. This is the reason God cannot lie, or cheat, or act unrighteously in any way: because no such spirits live in Him.
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Most of the people who have seen UFO's have a background in the Occult and I noticed some occult links on one of the website pages.
 
Sothenes said:
Most of the people who have seen UFO's have a background in the Occult and I noticed some occult links on one of the website pages.
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I believe it is important to realize that Armageddon is going to be a wholesale spiritual war between the spirits of this material universe, and Christ and His angels who are called the holy ones. Many spirits will leave their ‘stations’ (i.e. stop acting as stars e.g. with their highly specific behavior) and endeavor to wage war against Christ. (That is what the scriptures mean when they say many stars will fall from the skies in the last days.) Further many of them will enter mankind and cause people to do atrocities against one another.

When people practice witchcraft and invoke the spirits of water or of fate, etc. they are not being stupid. Our material universe is made up sophisticated assemblies and hierarchies of spirits that have interlocking responsibilities that establish the working of our world. When people invoke these spirits, they are able to actually influence aspects of our world.

It is important to realize that all science does, is note the framework of laws these spirits establish. However if these spirits abandoned their stations, the laws of physics would fly out the window.
 
...interesting!

...sorry folks... i gotta delete this due to contractual obligations :sad
 
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PDoug said:
reznwerks said:
Probably fear is the biggest factor. Fear that if they acknowledge extra t's that means man was not created special in the universe and God himself could be an extra t which means the supernatural is probably non existant and therefor no reward for living the Christian life.
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I have no doubt that there are extraterrestrial forms. They just happen to be mostly in the form of spirits – which are beings we cannot see.
Then you are of the mindset that God , angels etc are ET's.


Generally the more powerful the spiritual form, the more they are invisible to other spiritual forms. Our universe is made up of the lowest form of spirits, called matter.
Then everything spiritual is a type of matter.So in essence there is no real separation between what we call the physical and the supernatural according to you.

Mankind has souls which are very high order kinds of spirits, that are trapped in material bodies. Our bodies by being material are inherently evil, and influence us to sin. In addition to that, ‘extraterrestrials’ in the form other spirits from our material universe invade our bodies and cause us to sin further. Therefore we have all been born into a situation in which the odds of us living righteously, and hence powerfully, are stacked greatly against us.
Good news for everyone then. God cannot condemn us because it's not our fault. Spoken like a true liberal.

It is important to realize that every behavior is made possible by a spirit.
Why does behavior stop when the brain ceases to work? Why does behavior change when the brain is damaged or diseased?

Therefore a person cannot steal, without a spirit that exhibits this behavior being present in him. This is the reason God cannot lie, or cheat, or act unrighteously in any way: because no such spirits live in Him.
As I said this is great news as now everyone can blame a spirit for their shortcomings.

Reznwerks,

The truth about our universe and creation will become apparent soon as promised in the Total Book of Enoch 93:9-10. There will be many who will have faith correctly and will be able to make convincing cases and demonstrations about the truth about all things - including our existence. I personally do have faith correctly and do see that the things Christ said (many of which were thrown out by the Catholic Church and called heretical) do in fact offer the best explanation for all things.
You can only have faith if the right spirit jumped in your body. I think the truth is very apparant right now.
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Fear of what ? We go by the Bible, and we are God's speacial creation. Made in His Own Image. Sent His only Son to save the people on this planet. There are 3 heavens God's abode is the 3rd and man cannot reach it, in his body. The stars were put in the heavens for man kind and the colser planets as balancers for this planet and spin control and other reasons. The Bible says nothing about others being out there.
 
Lewis W said:
The Bible says nothing about others being out there.
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This is the problem. The Catholic Church tossed out many of God's holiest words which are just now resurfacing on the web.

John 21

24 This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.
25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

If you read the text Pistis Sophia (which I'm absolutely convinced is inspired work) you will get just a glimpse of the diverse beings that make up creation. Also if you look at the works in the Nag Hammadi Library, such as On the Origin of the World, you will get a plainer description of the origin of our material universe, such as the fact that the gods of our material universe look like the animals around us, which were made in their images.

I cannot overemphasize the fact that the Catholic Church has short changed the world on the riches of God’s holy words. All I can say is woe to the Catholic Church! God’s fury for it is immense!
 
reznwerks said:
I have no doubt that there are extraterrestrial forms. They just happen to be mostly in the form of spirits – which are beings we cannot see.
Then you are of the mindset that God , angels etc are ET's.
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Based on the definition of extraterrestrial given in dictionary.com, yes, because God and His angels did not originate from our physical earth.

reznwerks said:
Generally the more powerful the spiritual form, the more they are invisible to other spiritual forms. Our universe is made up of the lowest form of spirits, called matter.
Then everything spiritual is a type of matter.So in essence there is no real separation between what we call the physical and the supernatural according to you.
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Not really, it is more that there are different grades of spirits, for which matter is the lowest kind. Weaker spirits for the most part cannot enter into the realms of higher spirits.

reznwerks said:
Mankind has souls which are very high order kinds of spirits, that are trapped in material bodies. Our bodies by being material are inherently evil, and influence us to sin. In addition to that, ‘extraterrestrials’ in the form other spirits from our material universe invade our bodies and cause us to sin further. Therefore we have all been born into a situation in which the odds of us living righteously, and hence powerfully, are stacked greatly against us.
Good news for everyone then. God cannot condemn us because it's not our fault. Spoken like a true liberal.
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The law of God is that if someone does wrong he must pay for his sins or be redeemed from them. If someone has faith correctly, he becomes redeemed from them. If someone does not have faith correctly, he has to pay for them.

reznwerks said:
It is important to realize that every behavior is made possible by a spirit.
Why does behavior stop when the brain ceases to work? Why does behavior change when the brain is damaged or diseased?
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Because your soul, the spirits that surround it, and your body are interconnected. If your brain is damaged, the associated spirits are unable act. If your brain and body become dead, then your soul and its associated spirits leave the body.

Pistis Sophia: Book Three

Chapter 103
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And the Saviour answered and said unto Mary: "A righteous man who is perfected in all righteousness and who hath never committed any sin of any kind, and such an one who never hath received mysteries of the Light, if the time is at hand when he goeth forth out of the body, then straightway come the receivers of one of the great triple-powers,--those among whom there is a great [one],--snatch away the soul of that man from the hands of the retributive receivers and spend three days circling with it in all the creatures of the world. After three days they lead it down into the chaos, so as to lead it into all the chastisements of the judgments and to dispatch it to all the judgments. The fires of the chaos do not trouble it greatly; but they will trouble it partly for a short time.

reznwerks said:
The truth about our universe and creation will become apparent soon as promised in the Total Book of Enoch 93:9-10. There will be many who will have faith correctly and will be able to make convincing cases and demonstrations about the truth about all things - including our existence. I personally do have faith correctly and do see that the things Christ said (many of which were thrown out by the Catholic Church and called heretical) do in fact offer the best explanation for all things.
You can only have faith if the right spirit jumped in your body. I think the truth is very apparant right now.
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Yes. Christ said what you said above:

John 6

44 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.
 
"Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made." (Genesis)

Yep :wink:
 
destiny said:
"Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made." (Genesis)

Yep :wink:
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What do you mean? Please speak plainly.
 
statement of faith

While I do believe that revelation of the metaphysical mechanics of God's kingdom can come from a plethora of extra biblical sources... salvation comes from genuine faith in Jesus Christ alone, via the grace of Almighty God!

I think an explanation is in order of my profession of faith in Jesus Christ. I believe with all my heart that Jesus Christ is the virgin born, only begotten, sinless Son of the living God Jehovah. I believe Christ suffered and died on the cross for all my sins and iniquities, past, present and future. I believed he rose physically from the grave (resurrection) in a glorified body. I am saved by his substitutionary sacrifice, as I have received him by faith alone, through the grace of Jehovah’s call and gift. I believe the Holy Scriptures to be genuinely inspired of Jehovah, being the true testimony of God’s dealings with his chosen people Israel and Judah, as well as the Nations. I believe in the soon return of our Lord Jesus Christ to reign as the great I AM.

tetra... :smt039
 
...take a closer look

Carefully read the excerpts I posted and you will see that nothing I wrote contradicts the scriptures in any way. Please ask questions...

tetra... :P
 
Lewis W said:
In other words you have been beguiled.
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Do you mean I have been beguiled like Christ's disciples who were convinced that the things Christ said were true? Remember Christ said things that led to Him being accused of blasphemy – things that sounded strange to the Jews:

John 10

25 Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me,
26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep.
27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and the Father are one."
31 Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him,
32 but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"
33 "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."

John 6

51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
52 Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"

A person cannot reasonably accuse another of being deceived, merely because he is convinced that certain words come from God, even though the words sound strange, or have never been heard before. If that was the case, Christ’s disciples are also guilty of the same error as mine, because they believed the words of Christ that sounded strange to the Jews, which were unheard of before.

I have said repeatedly that no one can discern the words of God without having faith correctly. All your comment does is explain why Christ said repeatedly, “Those who have ears to hear, let them hear.†I could explain to you the importance of having faith correctly (which is everything) a billion times, but I doubt you (and many others like you) would be able to hear me.

Further, if you would rather believe in the judgment of the Catholic Church, which has been guilty of some of the worst atrocities in human history, over your own judgment while having faith correctly - as is your prerogative to do (1 Corinthians 2:15-16) - that is up to you. You should note however that if you do this, you will make a mockery of Matthew 7:15-20 which warns you against following any individual or organization that bears bad fruit.
 
Without clear scriptural reference to beack it up, I have little interest in the existence of Extra Terrestrials. I believe it entirly possible for the Lord to make another race, he just never told He did, so as far as I am concerned, it isn't a faith making or breaking thing.

Actually, since were taking cosmos here, if you want to dive deep into quantum mechanics, you find that there are instances in which atoms behave like light waves. The idea that we are all made of particles moving close to the speed of light(electrons) is interesting, because if E really does eqaul MC^2, then all matter is just slowed down in order to facillitate the Creator's desire. Here's the point. If matter at the atomic and elementary level, quarks and stuff, is just slow moving waves, then how far away is the idea that the Almighty really SPOKE creation into existance. Mind boggling, isn't it?
 
...take a look

...here is a pix of the cover art to my new book, "Greetings Cydonian Hunters"! (...left click to get a bigger picture) :P



...thanx!
tetra... 8-)
 
Lewis W said:
Fear of what ? We go by the Bible, and we are God's speacial creation. Made in His Own Image. Sent His only Son to save the people on this planet. There are 3 heavens God's abode is the 3rd and man cannot reach it, in his body. The stars were put in the heavens for man kind and the colser planets as balancers for this planet and spin control and other reasons. The Bible says nothing about others being out there.
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The Bible also says nothing about others not being out there. While it might make a superficial sort of sense that other planets in our solar system only exist to keep our Earth from spiraling into the sun or flying off into the cosmos, that doesn't explain the planets we've discovered orbiting other stars. These other planets can't be seen with the naked eye, and so would be useless as navigational guides; and they obviously have nothing to do with gravitational balance in our own solar system, as the effects they have on us is negligible.

If there are billions of stars, and millions of planets, it's quite possible that some planet somewhere could house extraterrestrial life of some sort. Why? I dunno, ask God. Maybe Earth had a beta version. :)
 
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