...potential existence of extraterrestrials

[SputnikBoy]

Why on earth (?) would God have needed to create the limitless cosmos in order to prevent the earth from spiraling off into the nether regions of space? He could have simply placed the earth as an ornament on the shelf above his fire-place. :o

That would have made it so much easier for Him to keep an eye on us. :-D

Seriously, just what ARE the ramifications for Christianity should life be prevalent elsewhere? Another thing, is open-mindedness seen to be a sin by some Christians?

 

[Lewis]

Fear of what ? We go by the Bible, and we are God's speacial creation. Made in His Own Image. Sent His only Son to save the people on this planet. There are 3 heavens God's abode is the 3rd and man cannot reach it, in his body. The stars were put in the heavens for man kind and the colser planets as balancers for this planet and spin control and other reasons. The Bible says nothing about others being out there.

The Bible also says nothing about others not being out there. While it might make a superficial sort of sense that other planets in our solar system only exist to keep our Earth from spiraling into the sun or flying off into the cosmos, that doesn't explain the planets we've discovered orbiting other stars. These other planets can't be seen with the naked eye, and so would be useless as navigational guides; and they obviously have nothing to do with gravitational balance in our own solar system, as the effects they have on us is negligible.

If there are billions of stars, and millions of planets, it's quite possible that some planet somewhere could house extraterrestrial life of some sort. Why? I dunno, ask God. Maybe Earth had a beta version.

Did God say that there is others out there in the universe ? No he did not. All the information that God wants you to know, He put it in his book. And can't nobody prove that there is life out there, besides God and His angels.
Give me some proof.

 

[PDoug]

Did God say that there is others out there in the universe ? No he did not. All the information that God wants you to know, He put it in his book.

At least so says the Catholic Church. If you want to put your confidence in an organization of man that has a track record of bearing very bad fruit, then so be it. But don't say God has not provided that information. Say rather, according to the Catholic Church, God has not provided that information.

 

[GundamZero]

Accept the problem lies with the point of the Gospel. If Christ died once for all, then the Gospel would have to apply to these aliens too. Then how are we to bring the Gospel to them? It would seem very difficult to do, and since there is currenlty no way of interstellar travel, I don't see any way do it.

And the universe was not neccesariy placed accordingly for the benefit of the earth. The rest of the Planets in our solar system may very well serve the function of gravitational balance, but the rest does not seem likely. God created the universe first for his Glory. It wouldn't be entirely impossible for God to have made a few stars just because they looked pretty.

Also, it is not yet scientifically plossible for every other astromical body to have a direct affect on everything else (though nature seems to say otherwise). Actually, that very idea is a bit of a conundrum in the world of quantum physicists, because we don't how gravity can immediatly affect other bodies. The idea that a graviton, the theoretical name for a "particle" of gravity" can move faster than light doesn't make sense, since most physics works of the rule that nothing can exceed the speed of light. That said, who knows? It would be cool to see another race that didn't reject their Father, but I don't think it's likely.

Well, enough pontification.

 

[PDoug]

Actually Christ came to save the entire material universe, not just us.

John 10

16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

What distinguishes mankind from everyone else though, is that when we have faith correctly, we are remade in Christ's image - meaning that we wind up having the same spiritual composition as Christ and resemble Him.

 

[tetrasonicwave]

listen

Hi all...
I for one take the categorical position that there are no such critters as extraterrestrials as is currently and culturally taught. If ET exists and experiences death, then ET, by definition, needs salvation due to the law of sin and death (...more later). What we, as a sentient species created by God, are experiencing as ET, is a complex event scenario started way back, just prior to the time of Noah (Genesis 6). The sequentially following event scenario occurred just prior to the time of the Tower of Babel. It is during that era the ancient Mystery Religions took hold and began to decieve the heart of Man. All through history much unexplained supernatural phenomenon did occur on planet Earth. Much of this was occultic in nature (...certainly all of it in direct connection with "aliens" and UFO's); occultic that can be traced back to the secret-societal Mystery Religion schools. It is now in our modern era that what was seen then as a hyper biological, supernatural phenomenon has taken on more of a technical-mechanical nature... And that is due to major technological advancements made in the last (approx,) 125 yrs. Most of that awesome technology produced via the genius of men like John Keely and Nikola Tesla was squirreled away, "underground", to the progeny of those ancient secret societies tracing their lineage back to the era of the Tower of Babel. In short... ET, "aliens" and UFO's are clearly human in origin, and to be specific, much the way the presence of the Holy Spirit is made manifest during a Pentecostal/Charismatic worship service, via the worship of Christian, human participants, Satanic entities are made manifest by their human worshippers, and can manifest accordingly... with the aid of modern, super scalar type technologies and hyper-genetics to produce what we experience as UFO'S and "aliens"...

(I go into greater detail about how this mechanism works, in my book)...more later

Jesus Christ came to save the offspring of Adam, not fallen angels, who are the soul (...not sole) animating element of what we refer to as "aliens" or extraterrestrials. ET cannot be evangelized, they are the offspring of fallen angels and human, generally speaking, although it is considerably more complex than that to be absolutely sure...

tetra 8-)

PS... sorry 'bout the poor grammar and such. I type 2 fingered and still got about a gazillion other things to do... :roll:

 

[Lewis]

Did God say that there is others out there in the universe ? No he did not. All the information that God wants you to know, He put it in his book.

At least so says the Catholic Church. If you want to put your confidence in an organization of man that has a track record of bearing very bad fruit, then so be it. But don't say God has not provided that information. Say rather, according to the Catholic Church, God has not provided that information.

First of all I am not a Catholic, and nobody has given me any proof yet. You guy's seem so positve, about it so prove it. Is it in the Bible ? If so tell me where. I have to see this, because it ain't in there. But PDoug seems to think so.

 

[ArtGuy]

Did God say that there is others out there in the universe ? No he did not. All the information that God wants you to know, He put it in his book. And can't nobody prove that there is life out there, besides God and His angels.
Give me some proof.

Apparently he didn't want us to know about relativity, quantum mechanics, or what the capital of Rhode Island is, because none of those things are mentioned in the Bible, either. The Bible may be an exhaustive source of what we need to know, but it's not an exhaustive source of what it's interesting to know. Did you know that the largest moon in the solar system is Titan, which orbits Saturn? I find that pretty interesting, but I can't find that in the Bible. Does that make it evil to try to learn about it?

True, nobody right now can prove whether or not there's life on other planets. I don't think anyone is claiming they can - I'm certainly not. But it's interesting to speculate. Perhaps someday we will be able to prove it. But we won't if we bury our noses in the Bible and decide that anything that doesn't show up in there isn't worth knowing about.

 

[Lewis]

I also ArtGuy love the study of space.

 

[destiny]

Just a thought, but maybe some of these 'magic carpet rides' originate inside the victims mind.
For instance, an alien abducts you, yet your body is still laying in the bed seemingly asleep to the outside world :shocked!:
Snakes could be in there manipulating your mind in such a way that would make you actually think and feel that you are on an alien operating table about to be artificially inseminated with E.T's baby.


:smt108

 

[Vic C.]

:o


:-D

 

[tetrasonicwave]

...spooky, eh?

I think ET abductions, if done in the "natural" utilize some sort of paralization effect coupled with teleportation to an "alien" type facility for said experimentation. Probably in underground bases (type... "dulce underground base", or use the word "grey", "ufo", or "alien" with the phrase in your search engine, and see what you come up with. I know that some of the i-net materials regarding such has been removed, so good luck!) More than likely though, such encounters involve "alien" interaction in extra dimensional (spiritual) realms and locales. That tells me we are dealing with unholy spiritual beings, probably demonic in nature.

tetra...

 

[tetrasonicwave]

...oh yeah

look... most folks who are accosted by ET, are usually actively looking for them via the occult, or something similar. christians need not fear harassment from such critters. we are filled with the holy spirit, cleansed with the precious and powerful blood of Jesus, and "aliens" are extremely fearful of this. should one have an unusual encounter with such entities, simply rebuke them repeatedly in the name of Jesus. they will depart from you, i guarantee it!

tetra...

 

[ArtGuy]

The most likely explanation for alleged alien abductions in which the person claims to have been paralyzed is sleep paralysis. The short version is that your mind wakes up, but it forgets to wake up your body, so you lie there paralyzed but aware. You also frequently hallucinate.

It really sucks.

 

[JM]

I believe UFO's and ET's are nothing more then fallen angels, the return of the Nephilim.

As The Days of Noah Were...
Gen. 6:1-2 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Jude adds: And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Evan as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Gen. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. What does it mean, 'giants?' How are giants related to the end times? The passages reads, 'and also after that.' What do you make of that?

Num. 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight. And lets not forget about Goliath.

http://www.khouse.org/articles/1996/43/
http://www.khouse.org/articles/1997/110/
http://www.khouse.org/articles/1997/22/

Side note: When the Bible tells us Noah was perfect in his generations (tamin=without blemish, physical perfection, and not moral. Ex. 12:5; 29:1. Lev. 1:3, 10; 3:1, 6; 4:3, 23, 28, 32; 5:15, 18; 6:6; 9:2, 3; 14:10; 22:19; 23:12, 18. Num. 6:14; 28:19, 31; 29:2, 8, 13, 20, 23, 29, 32, 36. Ezek. 43:22, 23, 25; 45:18, 23; 46:4, 6, 13) I believe Noah was physically perfect, not morally...if you believe he was morally perfect, what do you base this on?

http://www.khouse.org/articles/2003/462/
http://www.khouse.org/pages/special_eve ... ncounters/
Peace,

JM

 

[tetrasonicwave]

...yep!

...yep! that is what I outline in my book. only the nephilim were the offspring of fallen angels and humans (genesis 6), and/or some genetic derivative(s) thereof. noah was perfect (...genetically). this clearly was not a reference to morality, per se... todays situation with ET is similar in many respects, but there are some clear differences too. THERE IS MORE OF A HUMAN ORIENTED TECHNO TWIST TO IT NOW! ...it has to be to account for the geological changes and such in today's exponentially entropic universal environment (...due to the effect of the dynamics that caused the global flood of noah's day). it would blow your mind to find out what is going on underneath our very noses...

more later... for sure... i gotta go to bed... nitey nite all
tetra... :wink:

PS... it's morning now, and i'm up. the question about giants is a legitimate one. they did exist (...go to http://www.stevequayle.com). outside of noah's time, the very next occurence of genetic mixing between humans (...and other creatures) with fallen angelic type beings was at the time of the tower of babel. that tower was more than just a skyscraper. it was an interdimensional (...hyperdimensional "star-gates", although "star-gates" is a bit of a misnomer. ET does not hail from outer space, or other star systems and such) portal to be exact. thankfully, god put a stop to it before it go out of hand, like it did during noah's day.

...in a very real sense, the same thing is going on today... just look around your own home and work places and see...much of the technology used to make "first-contact" of fallen angelic beings utilized in the soul (...again, not "sole") animation of "aliens" is right under your noses, or at least extremely base, crude and primitive versions of it... well folks, i gotta go fix fence, cut weeds, and haul rocks out at our land... bye for now... bless you all!

tetra ;-)

 

[PDoug]

At least so says the Catholic Church. If you want to put your confidence in an organization of man that has a track record of bearing very bad fruit, then so be it. But don't say God has not provided that information. Say rather, according to the Catholic Church, God has not provided that information.

First of all I am not a Catholic, and nobody has given me any proof yet. You guy's seem so positve, about it so prove it. Is it in the Bible ? If so tell me where. I have to see this, because it ain't in there. But PDoug seems to think so.

If you believe that only the works in the Bible are inspired works, then you do in fact have confidence in the Catholic Church as being for the most part, the only qualified judge of scripture - since it is that organization which crafted the Bible. As I said before, this flies is the face of 1 Corinthians 2:15-16 which indicates that everyone who has faith correctly is qualified to make judgments about all things – including what are inspired works.

Please note the following:

John 10

31 Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, 32but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"
33"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'?
35 If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God cameâ€â€and the Scripture cannot be broken 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?
37 Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does.
38 But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father."

Christ told the Jews in the above scripture that if they believed in His miracles, they would have recognized that He was who He said He was. Now to believe in Christ’s miracles, is to be convinced of, and to practice the act of saying what you want, and believing it will happen, or asking God for things, and believing that you will receive them. This is the way Christ performed miracles, and this is the way Christ said someone is to have faith in Mark 11:22-24. Therefore the only reliable way someone can distinguish words that come from God, from words that don’t come from God, is to believe in Christ’s miracles – which is the same as having faith the way Christ prescribed.

The above is important, because Christ did not say to the Jews, the way they would become convinced about Him was if His words matched up against words that existed beforehand in a book, but rather if they had faith the way He prescribed – which is having faith correctly. This same principle applies today, the same way it has always applied. Therefore it is in the practice of having faith correctly that a person must rely on to distinguish God’s words.

As I said before, books such as Pistis Sophia, and those that reside in the Nag Hammadi Library, (also the Total Book of Enoch,) back up the notion that creation is filled with diverse beings. Apart from that, the Bible provides glimpses of this diversity.

Ezekiel 1

4 I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the northâ€â€an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal,
5 and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance their form was that of a man,
6 but each of them had four faces and four wings.
7 Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze.
8 Under their wings on their four sides they had the hands of a man. All four of them had faces and wings,
9 and their wings touched one another. Each one went straight ahead; they did not turn as they moved.
10 Their faces looked like this: Each of the four had the face of a man, and on the right side each had the face of a lion, and on the left the face of an ox; each also had the face of an eagle.
11 Such were their faces. Their wings were spread out upward; each had two wings, one touching the wing of another creature on either side, and two wings covering its body.
12 Each one went straight ahead. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, without turning as they went.
13 The appearance of the living creatures was like burning coals of fire or like torches. Fire moved back and forth among the creatures; it was bright, and lightning flashed out of it.
14 The creatures sped back and forth like flashes of lightning.
15 As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces.
16 This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel.
17 As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not turn about as the creatures went.
18 Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around.
19 When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose.
20 Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
21 When the creatures moved, they also moved; when the creatures stood still, they also stood still; and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
22 Spread out above the heads of the living creatures was what looked like an expanse, sparkling like ice, and awesome.
23 Under the expanse their wings were stretched out one toward the other, and each had two wings covering its body.
24 When the creatures moved, I heard the sound of their wings, like the roar of rushing waters, like the voice of the Almighty, like the tumult of an army. When they stood still, they lowered their wings.
25 Then there came a voice from above the expanse over their heads as they stood with lowered wings.
26 Above the expanse over their heads was what looked like a throne of sapphire, and high above on the throne was a figure like that of a man.
27 I saw that from what appeared to be his waist up he looked like glowing metal, as if full of fire, and that from there down he looked like fire; and brilliant light surrounded him.
28 Like the appearance of a rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the radiance around him.
This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. When I saw it, I fell facedown, and I heard the voice of one speaking.

Deuteronomy 4

26 I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you this day that you will quickly perish from the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess. You will not live there long but will certainly be destroyed.

Judges 5

20 From the heavens the stars fought, from their courses they fought against Sisera.

Job 38

7 while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?

Isaiah 34

4 All the stars of the heavens will be dissolved and the sky rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree.

Matthew 24

29 "Immediately after the distress of those days " 'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'

Revelation 12

3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads.
4 His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born.
5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.

 

[JM]

Re: ...yep!

...yep! that is what I outline in my book. only the nephilim were the offspring of fallen angels and humans (genesis 6), and/or some genetic derivative(s) thereof. noah was perfect (genetically). this clearly was not a reference to morality, per se... todays situation with ET is similar in many respects, but there are some clear differences too. THERE IS MORE OF A HUMAN ORIENTED TECHNO TWIST TO IT NOW! ...it has to be to account for the geological changes and such in today's exponentially entropic universal environment (...due to the effect of the dynamics that caused the global flood of noah's day). it would blow your mind to find out what is going on underneath our very noses....

more later... for sure... i gotta go to bed... nitey nite all
tetra... :wink:

PS... it's morning now, and i'm up. the question about giants is a legitimate one. they did exist (go to http://www.stevequayle.com). outside of noah's time, the very next occurence of genetic mixing between humans (...and other creatures) with fallen angelic type beings was at the time of the tower of babel. that tower was more than just a skyscraper. it was an interdimensional (hyperdimensional) portal to be exact. thankfully, god put a stop to it before it go out of hand, like it did during noah's day.

...in a very real sense, the same thing is going on today... i'll explain in more detail later... i gotta go fix fence and haul rocks out at our land... bye

tetra

great website, thanks

 

[tetrasonicwave]

...gotta fly for now folks

Hey folks...
Check out my previous post on this thread... I added a bit of new info.

Here is another great website to visit for mind-blowing info on the UFO phenomenon: http://www.watcherwebsite.com The proprietors of this website are Christians too! Be sure to post at the forum... :-D

There is so much more to the story on the one hand than this, but, at the same time, it is so extremely simple to figure out once all the pieces of the puzzle are in place, so-to-speak.

Folks... I've been at this "alien" hunt for years. I do believe I've figured it out at the layman's level too, and that quite intricately and paradoxically so, for, you know, someone like me... :P

It's not what most people think either, one way or the other.

At any rate, I'm gonna take a long break from all of this ET stuff and internet and chatrooms, etc...

...BUT, I WILL BE BACK! Remember... Jesus Christ is Lord! :D

TETRASONICWAVE

 

[Soma-Sight]

Most entities (extra terrestrials) I have encountered in (ASC) are demons.

Not aliens on Mars....

Demons in lower planes.....