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Bible Study Pre-requisites of a bible teacher 6

Gary Sullivan

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The chances of even believing preachers in local churches teaching anything beyond the foundational truths are remote, although there will be much better teachers/preachers than me that people will be blessed by in places throughout the world. As always if you really want to grow and bring glory to the LORD you must contact Ariel Ministries for the wealth and volume of excellent teaching available.
Remember spiritual growth does not come by some earthshaking experience that makes us supernatural but by a knowledge of the WORD of GOD that must be learned and practiced.
So many believers are happy to be led by daily devotionals which are feeble without the capacity to build you up. It is obvious that most of the authors of these devotionals are less mature than those that read them, and more important some use the NAME OF JESUS without any faith in HIS NAME. Most of these teachings are devoid of content even though they quote from the Bible.
12) Let us look at the 5 purposes revealed in Scripture for the enactment of the Law of Moses then move on to other facts people must understand.
a) The Law of Moses firstly reveals the standard of righteousness that GOD demanded to be in a proper relationship with HIM. So it reveals His holiness in as much as we can comprehend as mere mortals ( see Isaiah 55:8-9).
b) The second purpose of the Law was to provide the conduct of life for Old Testament believers e.g. Romans 3:20 and 3:28 In these verses it is clear that no man can be justified by the Law. The law was NEVER, NEVER a means of salvation because salvation is by Grace through faith not be works or rituals.
c) The Third purpose of the Mosaic Law was to reveal sin as we see in Romans 3:19-20; Romans 5:20 ; Romans 7:7 etc.

d) the fourth purpose, seems odd but is not, and that is that it provokes those who try to keep it to sin more. Please go to Romans 4:15 and Romans 7:7-13. The law of Moses came into provoke one to sin more. This will receive a full explanation shortly. What Paul, by divine inspiration, is telling in this church age is that Law that was given to Israel needs a base of operation. No law no transgression. A transgression is a violation of a specific command given by God to us. Sin always existed before and will do so until the present heavens and earth are just dissolved by GOD but a transgression is a violation of a specific command.
The base of operation is our sin nature, the only nature we had prior to the new birth. The word always challenges us to go the way of the LORD, which is why so many people do not want to go into epistles and keep HIS WORD. That is why people love to be taught by leaders who will change the written word to help them continue in our fruitless habits of old. It is quite pathetic that so many accept error in the BODY. GOD commands that women never teach men, and in HIS grace even goes back to the time Adam sinned in 1 Timothy 2:12-13. Do not these people know how rebellious it is to assume authority over the revealed WORD GOD. They may be believers but when they contradict the written word to us in this age they are following the old nature not the new.

As soon as the Law says do not do this the sin nature says Yes I will, and conversely so. We have all done this even under the Law of CHRIST. Without a specific command, there is no violation but the Law came in and the sin nature rebels and sins more.
In the Law of CHRIST today most believing bible teachers will not go to the many passages in Scripture dealing with holiness and admonitions to correct as they have a humanistic and not theistic concept of God's love. His desire is that we grow up and bring glory to HIS NAME and then HE showers blessings upon us. Too many Christians are happy to merely believe without pressing on to the wonderful blessings promised to faithful servants in eternity. God loves to bless us but HE never blesses disobedience. Again the word is there in the epistles for us today. GOD does not view us as being disobedient for the commands we have only seen but also for those we did not bother to behold in the WORD. There are many parts to the character of our wonderful LORD but the one least emphasised today is HIS HOLINESS.
When we get to John 14 this becomes clearer.
e) The final purpose explains the reason for the fourth purpose. In Galatians 3:24-25 Paul tells us that the final purpose of the Law was to lead the person under the Law to faith.Every time a person tried to keep the Law he failed and once honest with himself he would realise he could not cope without divine enablement. When all fleshly options fail he turns in faith to GOD. Paul in Romans 7:7-13 speaks of his early months as a believer. He knew he was saved by Grace through faith in his Messiah but in his early days, he tried being sanctified by the Law. He tells us that as soon he tried not to covet, commanded by the Law, he realised he was full of sin and coveted. This drove him back to utter faith. So the fifth purpose of the Law was to drive one to faith, specifically in Jesus the Messiah.
More on this later.
The next thing believers need to understand is the Unity of the Law of Moses. In the Bible, the Law is viewed as a single unit the Torah.Even though it contained 613 commands it was always singular. The same applies to the Greek word NOMOS.
The Law is conveniently divided into moral, ceremonial and legal parts by many but it is NEVER divided in that way in Scripture.Neither is there any scriptural basis for separating the first 10 commandments from the rest.
It is this principle of the unity of the Law of Moses that is found behind the statement in James 2:10. In this verse, James is teaching those Jewish believers wanting to keep certain parts of the Law that once their inward desire was to keep some part of the Law then he placed himself under the obligation to keep the whole law, which is impossible. This is true because the Law of Moses is one single unit. The point is that GOD knows all our intents before we act and the moment someone sees a need to do some part of the Law the Holy Spirit will say " Ok now keep the whole Law" Those who listen soon get back on the track of the only way ie faith. The point is made that if one kept the ceremonial and legal requirements but failed one moral requirement then he violated the whole Law. The reality that no one could keep any part of the Law because we are all utterly depraved in all parts of our being. The moments we see GOD as HE is we know.
The point made by James was revealed by Moses at the time of the enactment of the Law in Deuteronomy 27:26.
 
Gary Sullivan I can see a lot of work in your post. This site is for discussion not blogs.. Maybe in outline form.. something that encourages
discussion would be a good idea:)
 
Reba, so you do not want me on this site then? that is what I get from your post. These are studies on the Bible all I show & post is the truth of the word of God & you are asking me the change it, you can argue as much as you feel you have to but it is change you are asking me to do. This I will not do, if you want me off this site I will leave but it will be between you & the Lord for making me do so as all I do is post his words, I will look for your reply & depending on what it is I will either stay or leave.
 
Reba, so you do not want me on this site then? that is what I get from your post. These are studies on the Bible all I show & post is the truth of the word of God & you are asking me the change it, you can argue as much as you feel you have to but it is change you are asking me to do. This I will not do, if you want me off this site I will leave but it will be between you & the Lord for making me do so as all I do is post his words, I will look for your reply & depending on what it is I will either stay or leave.
From asking for a bit slow down you got "i dont want you on this site"? Actually the suggestion was made to increase the reader ship of your work... No one challenged you to not speak truth.. just slow down a bit.. Break up the long posts .. IN a forum such as this you will get many more readers with shorter post . Something like a paragraph allowing time for others to respond... then the next paragraph. .. I was not looking to argue Just suggesting what is in the Terms of Service ..

Please keep posts down to a respectable length and provide source and/or links for your info. Videos of personal teachings are not acceptable at this time. We want to respect copyrighted material. Be sure at minimum to cite your source and keep all posts in compliance with Fair Use copyright law. Plus, you stand a better chance of getting your post read if it contains a link with an excerpt from source that's relative to your point.
 
Reba, my source as you put it is the Bible & if you checked out my posts you would see that, also I give the verses for whatever I am posting at that time, so what more can I do or do you want me to do. I cannot do any more than post the Bible verses I am talking about, as for fair use copyrighted material, what do you mean with that statement? The work is my own!!! & so I find that statement offensive the only other thing I mention is Ariel Ministries & again I mention that! as for my long posts, I believe that I have made my posts short so others can go through them with ease. again your statement: you stand a better chance of getting your post read if it contains a link with an excerpt from the source that's relative to your point. I post the Bible verses what more do you want me to do! I can do no more than give the Bible verse that I am talking about, or do you want the name of the Bible, the print number, when it was printed again it has shown that you can not have read my posts as you would have known that there is no other source other than the Bible so again I find this statement offensive as you are stating that these studies I post are not my own work. As for slowing down a bit in the studies I have posted I could go into far more detail that I have, very deep detail this would make these posts a good 4 times longer. Would you have told Jesus to slow it down, what about the Beatitudes would you tell him only post 2 at a time to give others a chance to respond? Rules are guidelines & each individual case should be looked at & studied to see if as you state something can be made shorter or if it should be left as it is. If you do not want Bible studies on your site then let me know?
 
Here is your post.... shortened... i will add a note at the bottom using pink font so it is easy to distinguish
The chances of even believing preachers in local churches teaching anything beyond the foundational truths are remote, although there will be much better teachers/preachers than me that people will be blessed by in places throughout the world. As always if you really want to grow and bring glory to the LORD you must contact Ariel Ministries for the wealth and volume of excellent teaching available.
Remember spiritual growth does not come by some earthshaking experience that makes us supernatural but by a knowledge of the WORD of GOD that must be learned and practiced.
So many believers are happy to be led by daily devotionals which are feeble without the capacity to build you up. It is obvious that most of the authors of these devotionals are less mature than those that read them, and more important some use the NAME OF JESUS without any faith in HIS NAME. Most of these teachings are devoid of content even though they quote from the Bible.
12) Let us look at the 5 purposes revealed in Scripture for the enactment of the Law of Moses then move on to other facts people must understand.
One at a time

a) The Law of Moses firstly reveals the standard of righteousness that GOD demanded to be in a proper relationship with HIM. So it reveals His holiness in as much as we can comprehend as mere mortals ( see Isaiah 55:8-9).

Give members some time, maybe a day , to ponder and reply, then post B

Not at all asking you to change anything..


 
I would reply to point A like this
Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Adding : Pro_13:14 The law of the wise is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.
 
I read the Doctrinal Statement of Ariel Ministries, http://ariel.org/doctrinal-statement.htm, which is excellent and entirely mainstream (not necessarily what every Christian scholar or believer believes, but entirely mainstream and consistent with the Statement of Faith of this site). Section Three of The Church states, "We believe that all believers are obligated to assemble together for the purpose of participation in the ordinances, to be taught the Scriptures by gifted men ...," so I take it this is your purpose here. My own purpose, which is not wholly unrelated, is to encourage people to examine and think about what they claim to believe. I don't doubt that some individuals are blessed with special abilities in the areas of discernment, teaching and whatnot, but I likewise don't doubt that an awful lot of delusional characters (not meaning you) think they have been blessed in these areas when in fact they are simply delusional or ego-tripping. So I take it all with a grain of salt and ultimately rely on my own assessment as to who is gifted and my own assessment of what is taught (to which the chorus responds: "AND THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM, BUB!").

Considering that this is a Christian forum, and a very conservative one at that, I think it's difficult to assume the role of a teacher. Most people already have solid Christian backgrounds. So lengthy "teaching posts" either ruffle feathers or cause eyes to glaze over. I once posted a 9-line paragraph - that was the entire post - and was asked by an intelligent and well-read poster if I could break up my "lengthy" posts because he found them impossible to focus upon! I decline to play to the Twitter Generation to that degree, but if your purpose is to teach then it is certainly true that shorter and more focused posts will gain you a wider audience.
 
Hi Gary. First of all, Reba is a very godly Woman of faith. You're post # 5 is a little offensive to a Sister in Christ, IMO. I do understand your frustration though and believe that all will work out for the love of each other in Christ Jesus. A bunch of us look forward to your threads, especially me. I'm a student of the Old Covenant. Shortly, I will start a thread on the Commandments that Christ Jesus tell us to follow if we love Him. You will be most welcome to join me, Soul man and Hermit. Three of us adhere to 1 Corinthians 1:10. We teach Truth from the Scriptures.

Reba and I go way back and I love her very much. Once you've been around for a while, she will see your honesty and your worth to this Forum. Hang in there Brother Gary, your style is different than others. Most of us present a theme and then wait to answer questions, comments, objections if there are any. You may want to alter the way you present a thread so that we can digest your teachings. Subjects get lost in multiple posts. IMO

You do what YHWH leads you to do, and we'll do our best to receive your teachings. I already love Ariel Ministries and am in the process of listening to their excellent videos. Thank you for putting me in touch with them.

I love You Gary,
Chopper
 
Chopper you say that I was offensive to Reva but she was also nasty too me please note ( provide source and/or links for your info ) as you know I have only posted quotes from the Bible & those quotes I have given the verses for, the only other thing I stated was Ariel Ministries & again I stated who they are. So to me telling me to post a source & or Links for my info what source & what links? This says to me that she believes that I am plagiarising someone else's works, (that is how it sounds to me) & that is not true, they are my works & I also do them at times with a friend of mine who is a Dr of Theology & if I use my friends works I would & do state his name, but this I have not done as of yet. So on that I felt insulted, to say the least, to be accused of plagiarising is awful, yes I did fly off the handle & for this, I do apologise but as I said maybe it was unknowing but she did insult me also. I will try to shorten my studies, I will see what I can do.

God Bless
 
Chopper you say that I was offensive to Reva but she was also nasty too me please note ( provide source and/or links for your info ) as you know I have only posted quotes from the Bible & those quotes I have given the verses for, the only other thing I stated was Ariel Ministries & again I stated who they are. So to me telling me to post a source & or Links for my info what source & what links? This says to me that she believes that I am plagiarising someone else's works, (that is how it sounds to me) & that is not true, they are my works & I also do them at times with a friend of mine who is a Dr of Theology & if I use my friends works I would & do state his name, but this I have not done as of yet. So on that I felt insulted, to say the least, to be accused of plagiarism is awful, yes I did fly off the handle & for this, I do apologise but as I said maybe it was unknowing but she did insult me also. I will try to shorten my studies, I will see what I can do.

God Bless
I absolutely understand your statements. For Reba, it looked like something that it was not, and she responded out of her vast experience as a Staff member and Moderator who is sworn to protect the Forum from law suits over certain laws of copy-rite.

You were upset over accusations of plagiarism of which I don't blame you. It was your different form of presentation that was different from how other's had always presented their threads.

I used to be a Moderator, but ceased because of busy schedule of counseling. I am one who encourages, and tries to see everyone's side of things that are important to them. I don't really know how I could fit into the CF.net Staff, but am always ready to serve Jesus how He wills.

Everything is fine now that Reba and I know that these threads are your own work and not copies of someone else. I commend you for your knowledge and presentation of such great Truths. Keep your instruction coming, as YHWH leads.

I Love You,
Chopper
 
Remember spiritual growth does not come by some earthshaking experience that makes us supernatural but by a knowledge of the WORD of GOD that must be learned and practiced.
I will try and go through some bible study / Christian growth.

On the day of Pentecost, it really seems to be earthshaking to a Mississippi redneck. Supernatural might be a word that surrounds the power to be witnesses ( the power of Pentecost).

The Word became flesh - Jesus
Jesus became a quickening spirit
Jesus baptized in Holy Spirit and fire.

The disciples were changed on the day of Pentecost. Their understanding seems to have changed pretty rapidly.

Of course I love going through the old covenant.
Joel 2:28 KJV
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

I really do not know if dreams come by study. The Word become flesh (Jesus), can accomplish what the word says (being the Word).

Mississippi redneck Gentile (one new man)
eddif
 
The reality that no one could keep any part of the Law because we are all utterly depraved in all parts of our being.

What does scripture say about Moses in this regard?

Here is one psaasage that comes to mind.

Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus, 2 who was faithful to Him who appointed Him, as Moses also was faithful in all His house. 3 For this One has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as He who built the house has more honor than the house. 4 For every house is built by someone, but He who built all things isGod. 5 And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward, 6 but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end. Hebrews 3:1-6


I don't get the impression that the Holy Spirit considered Moses as depraved, and unable to keep any part of the law.

  • Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward,

JLB
 
What does scripture say about Moses in this regard?

Here is one psaasage that comes to mind.

Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus, 2 who was faithful to Him who appointed Him, as Moses also was faithful in all His house. 3 For this One has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as He who built the house has more honor than the house. 4 For every house is built by someone, but He who built all things isGod. 5 And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward, 6 but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end. Hebrews 3:1-6


I don't get the impression that the Holy Spirit considered Moses as depraved, and unable to keep any part of the law.

  • Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward,

JLB
We might add Paul.

Philippians 3:5 KJV
Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
we are all utterly depraved in all parts of our being.
Mankind once was in this condition, but after the flood two brothers cover the nakedness of their father. Sin lost some of its dominion when punishment came.

We are looking at scripture.
eddif
 
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