Archetype said:
LostKid said:
Good point.
Sorry if I came across as a jerk, I've been angry lately.
Same here. I get that way about my beliefs. I'm not going to be a convincing minister for the lord if I act that way. You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar or something like that.
It's lemons . . . I know I'm an old lady.
Hi Ya'll~
I just thought I might type up a few of my pennies worth on this one. :smt024 I am a widow and I previously practiced fornication, or what the world now so gingerly calls pre-marital sex.
In order to percieve what is pleasing to God about sex we have to look at marriage, because that is the only sexual union God is pleased with. Hebrews 13:4 Marriage [is] honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
It was quoted here erroniously that: Jesus never said that a man and a woman that decided to live together in a committed intimate relationship is a sin. What Jesus condemned was unfaithfulness to that relationship….this is what God is against.
But the Bible says otherwise;
In Revelation 2:20 Jesus speaks to warn the church in Thyatira saying:
But I have this complaint against you. You are permitting that woman-that Jezebel who calls herself a prophet-to lead my servants astray. She is encouraging them to worship idols, eat food offered to idols, and commit sexual sin. NLT
Also, there are a few quotes used here that may be from church history~ but they are not biblically based in this discussion. If indeed these people were from the
sect of the Nicolaitans we ought to pay attention to what Jesus says about them. Lies always bring humanity into bondage, only the truth sets us free. :angel:
In the KJV it reads;
Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.(emp. mine)
There's that old-fashioned word again. In all the accepted texts it reads the same, fornication is sexual immorality plain and simple, and no sex outside the marriage bed is moral according to God.
When Jesus was confronted by the religious elite of His day in regards to marriage and easy divorce. He took them to the word of God~ back to the first marriage in the garden where God establihed marriage;
The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?" And He answered and said to them,
"Have you not read that He who made[fn1] them at the beginning 'made them male and female, [did you notice that Jesus details taht marriage is made up of a man and a woman here?]
and said,
'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh' So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate." They said to Him, "Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?" He said to them,
"Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery." Matthew 19:3-9
God does not lay out commands because He wants to restrict our freedoms. He sets up these commands to guard our hearts, our minds, our souls, and ultimately our eternal lives. Sex outside of the committed bond of marriage perverts the beauty and love that God desires to instill in each of our lives. God so honors marriage that He will one day marry the bride, His church, to His only most beloved Son. :smt008 :smt058
Think about the wonder and grace of your own salvation, when God sent His Spirit to live in you that is a union~ much like marriage. It is unending, and full of the Lord's committment to you, to keep you, to woo you, to care for you, to love you unconditionally. :-D
When we choose to marry we are given the opportunity to take another sinner into our heart, to give up our life for the other person and love them in the most committed relationship tbetween man and wife that this world knows to be possible.
We get to learn to be lovers of a soul~ just as Jesus has loved our souls. :smt049 Yes? bonnie
Emotionally we break apart, pyschologically we become disturbed, and physically we are made sick, sometimes it even kills us! By what? By sex outside of marriage --- especially by multiple partner sex~ that is proven in every study on STD's~ 
