Question About Holy Communion

[gordon777]

Matthew 28:19, "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." Is there something about that sentence that you don't understand?

Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


The teaching is to observe all what Christ spoke, which is to have belief in Christ.



That is how no man shall teach their neighbour. ( God puts all that will be in any man, no man puts anything in anyone.)


Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

 

[gordon777]

Being too proud to receive instruction and correction from a person is a sure way to being deceived.

Yes, and another sure way to be deceived is to be too simple, to receive correction from every good word and fair speech any person invents:


Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

 

[gordon777]

Are you talking about all biblical teaching in general?

Biblical teaching is for belief in Jesus Christ, who draws us to Him, people don't give that belief, the Word of God does, people give no words of their own, we are saved by what Christ spoke ( His words are Spirit and life.)


John 4:39 And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.
40 So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days.
41 And many more believed because of his own word;
42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

John 5:33 Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.
34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.
35 He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.
36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

John 5:41 I receive not honour from men.
42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

John 20:30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

 

[D-D-W]

There is no biblical support for hearing a pastor/priest, or anyone but God on any matter ( to avoid satan and his ministers at the faithless end time now)

That is not scriptural.

Heb 13:7
Remember those who led you, who spoke the word of God to you; and considering the result of their conduct, imitate their faith.

17 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with grief, for this would be unprofitable for you.

To obey and submit you have to listen to them.

 

[eddif]

That is not scriptural.

Heb 13:7
Remember those who led you, who spoke the word of God to you; and considering the result of their conduct, imitate their faith.

17 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with grief, for this would be unprofitable for you.

To obey and submit you have to listen to them.

Good post

1 Corinthians 12:1 kjv
1. Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
2. Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
(Read more-)

There’s good leading and bad leading. The letters to the 7 churches let us know evil can be in a congregation.

The spiritual gifts are given so that we might know the right person to follow. That said we as individuals may not know (through discernment of spirits) who to listen to.

eddif

 

[theSeriousOne]

WHAT is 'holy' about it?

 

[WIP]

Does your congregation believe in the Real Presence?

If not, and it's a remembrance, anyone assigned can do this.

If so, then this question does become important and I'd hesitate to answer.

Holy Communion in the Lutheran church is a Sacrament. We believe that the true body and blood of our Lord, Jesus Christ, is present in, with, and under the bread and the wine whenever the Lord’s Supper is celebrated.

The term often used to define it is consubstantiation rather than transubstantiation, where Catholics believe the bread and wine are transformed or become the actual body and blood of Jesus despite the fact that there is no visible, chemical, or other apparent change that takes place.

One analogy that I found helpful for me is the concept of a sponge. When placed in water, the water infiltrates the sponge so the water is in, with, and under the sponge. The sponge is still the sponge and the water is still water but they co-exist.

Furthermore, we do not believe the bread and wine are mere symbols as some others do.

 

[GodsGrace]

Holy Communion in the Lutheran church is a Sacrament. We believe that the true body and blood of our Lord, Jesus Christ, is present in, with, and under the bread and the wine whenever the Lord’s Supper is celebrated.

The term often used to define it is consubstantiation rather than transubstantiation, where Catholics believe the bread and wine are transformed or become the actual body and blood of Jesus despite the fact that there is no visible, chemical, or other apparent change that takes place.

One analogy that I found helpful for me is the concept of a sponge. When placed in water, the water infiltrates the sponge so the water is in, with, and under the sponge. The sponge is still the sponge and the water is still water but they co-exist.

Furthermore, we do not believe the bread and wine are mere symbols as some others do.

Thanks for that WIP.

In this case I believe you should look further into this. I'd think that a pastor must celebrate communion.

It would be interesting to know the outcome of this question.

 

[GodsGrace]

Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


The teaching is to observe all what Christ spoke, which is to have belief in Christ.



That is how no man shall teach their neighbour. ( God puts all that will be in any man, no man puts anything in anyone.)


Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

Since this is the forum for CHURCH HISTORY ,
I'd like to say that the early church did not believe that Jesus taught we are only to believe in Him.

Jesus Himself did not believe this, nor did Paul and those that came after him.

 

[D-D-W]

Holy Communion in the Lutheran church is a Sacrament. We believe that the true body and blood of our Lord, Jesus Christ, is present in, with, and under the bread and the wine whenever the Lord’s Supper is celebrated.

The term often used to define it is consubstantiation rather than transubstantiation, where Catholics believe the bread and wine are transformed or become the actual body and blood of Jesus despite the fact that there is no visible, chemical, or other apparent change that takes place.

One analogy that I found helpful for me is the concept of a sponge. When placed in water, the water infiltrates the sponge so the water is in, with, and under the sponge. The sponge is still the sponge and the water is still water but they co-exist.

Furthermore, we do not believe the bread and wine are mere symbols as some others do.

As Messianics, we believe the elements are symbolic.

There is a strict Mosaic prohibition against ingesting blood, and per Acts 15 that goes into the New Covenant era as well. Besides, our Lord was a Jew born under the Law (Galatians 4.4) and for anyone to teach against the commandments of the Law would have been a sin. And we know our Lord never sinned. So He could NOT have taught either His disciples or us to ingest real blood.

 

[GodsGrace]

As Messianics, we believe the elements are symbolic.

There is a strict Mosaic prohibition against ingesting blood, and per Acts 15 that goes into the New Covenant era as well. Besides, our Lord was a Jew born under the Law (Galatians 4.4) and for anyone to teach against the commandments of the Law would have been a sin. And we know our Lord never sinned. So He could NOT have taught either His disciples or us to ingest real blood.

Matthew 26
Didn't Jesus say that the wine was His blood?
And to drink it?

 

[eddif]

Matthew 26
Didn't Jesus say that the wine was His blood?
And to drink it?

We are now to the one new man. Something I desire to see and know is Difficult.

Try to join as much as possible. The Jerusalem council spoke of blood in Acts. Growth was taking place. Google? For Acts passage scripture or I can supply it.

eddif


The one new man made of Jew and Gentile exists.

 

[Edward]

The term often used to define it is consubstantiation rather than transubstantiation, where Catholics believe the bread and wine are transformed or become the actual body and blood of Jesus despite the fact that there is no visible, chemical, or other apparent change that takes place.

Maybe the transformation into the body and blood of Christ is something that happens in the spiritual realm?

What we do and speak on earth does have reaction in Heaven. And we are seated in Hevaenly places with Christ too, right? I'm beginning to understand that life is 90% unseen and only 10% natural realm. So who knows what profound effects that us partaking of communion in the natural actually have in the spiritual?

 

[theSeriousOne]

Catholic beliefs are as antichristian as you can GET.

 

[Edward]

Thanks for that WIP.

In this case I believe you should look further into this. I'd think that a pastor must celebrate communion.

It would be interesting to know the outcome of this question.

I have communion wine in my refrigerator right now. I usually use Ritz crackers but I ordered 1000 communion wafers just like the church uses, just in case a crowd needing communion walks in, lol. Or I'm out of crackers.

The new Covenant is a blood Covenant, right?
Don't blood covenants have to be renewed daily?

 

[eddif]

Maybe the transformation into the body and blood of Christ is something that happens in the spiritual realm?

What we do and speak on earth does have reaction in Heaven. And we are seated in Hevaenly places with Christ too, right? I'm beginning to understand that life is 90% unseen and only 10% natural realm. So who knows what profound effects that us partaking of communion in the natural actually have in the spiritual?

Great observation.

The parable of the sower is the key.
Sower = Jesus (by extension us)
Seed = word of God
Ground = men’s heart

eddif

 

[Edward]

Catholic beliefs are as antichristian as you can GET.

Jesus is in the Catholic bible. Same God.

 

[theSeriousOne]

Jesus is in EVERY Bible. The difference is what taught at church.

 

[eddif]

I have communion wine in my refrigerator right now. I usually use Ritz crackers but I ordered 1000 communion wafers just like the church uses, just in case a crowd needing communion walks in, lol. Or I'm out of crackers.

The new Covenant is a blood Covenant, right?
Don't blood covenants have to be renewed daily?

Revelation 3:20 kjv
20. Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Let’s be slow to describe the table both are sitting at. I think I have choked several with my description,

eddif

 

[Edward]

Jesus is in EVERY Bible. The difference is what taught at church.

Perhaps. But the significant aspect is the relationship. So you can't blanket statement the Catholics because we're all in the same boat. And no man can see the heart of another to know these things you speak of. Only Jesus can do that.