So far I get your drift. If I make some dorky comment trying to defend Jews, please feel free to swat me. Not being a Jew after the flesh I may just mess up at times.Um - Last time I looked, Acts 15 was in the NEW testament....
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So far I get your drift. If I make some dorky comment trying to defend Jews, please feel free to swat me. Not being a Jew after the flesh I may just mess up at times.Um - Last time I looked, Acts 15 was in the NEW testament....
D-D-W is one of those unfortunate people who, although professing Christianity, still lives under the OT law. It's very, very sad!So far I get your drift. If I make some dorky comment trying to defend Jews, please feel free to swat me. Not being a Jew after the flesh I may just mess up at times.
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I understand that. But I have had Catholic friends who after a times of intense prayer or personal struggle have tasted real human blood when they took the eucharist.
Thou shall not muzzle an ox treading out cornBut the prohibition against eating meat with blood in it or drinking blood is a commandment in the Old Testament. As I pointed out in post #292, the prohibition has nothing to do with the New Covenant.
There are many references to the Old Testament in the New Testament. What does your snide comment -- Last time I looked, Acts 15 was in the NEW testament.... mean? Are you a first century Gentile joining the Jewish church?
Colossians 2:20-22, "If with Christ you died to the elemental principles of the world, why do you live as if you still belonged to the world? Why do you submit to regulations, “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? All these regulations refer to things that perish with use; they are simply human commands and teachings."
I've heard many stories like this, living in a Catholic country and my friends are all Catholic.I understand that. But I have had Catholic friends who after a times of intense prayer or personal struggle have tasted real human blood when they took the eucharist.
A pagan with no Christian Bible study will say anything he believes.I've heard many stories like this, living in a Catholic country and my friends are all Catholic.
There's talk about blood oozing out of the host.
I don't give much credence to this stuff.
But, anything is possible in the spiritual realm.
I couldn't agree with you more!A pagan with no Christian Bible study will say anything he believes.
A person raised in a denomination, sect, group with no Holy Spirit led Bible study will usually tend to say what he or she has heard.
So which (realm) may speak; truth, fiction or lies.
Mississippi redneck
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Which prove nothing.Thou shall not muzzle an ox treading out corn
Was in OT. Deuteronomy 25:4
The good church teacher is compared to ox in 1 Timothy 5:18
I Corinthians 9:9 says the ox is not as important as people today.
My redneck words.
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The muzzle the ox says that same thing in the OTWhich prove nothing.
Teachers of God's Word are entitled to compensation. So what?
And your point is? 1 Corinthians 9:9-10, "For it is written in the law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.” Is it for oxen that God is concerned? Or does he not speak entirely for our sake? It was indeed written for our sake, for whoever plows should plow in hope and whoever threshes should thresh in hope of a share in the crop." Paul writes that those who teach God's word and truth should be compensated. His example is symbolism.The muzzle the ox says that same thing in the OT
Post 304 says OT and NT agree. But OT is in symbolism, and NT is in reality of Jesus Christ.
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Concepts refer to contexts that seem so separated that it seems impossible for an agriculture context, animal husbandry, and NT church to be related.And your point is? 1 Corinthians 9:9-10, "For it is written in the law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.” Is it for oxen that God is concerned? Or does he not speak entirely for our sake? It was indeed written for our sake, for whoever plows should plow in hope and whoever threshes should thresh in hope of a share in the crop." Paul writes that those who teach God's word and truth should be compensated. His example is symbolism.
Do you think that the NT society was industrial? People of that time fully understood animal management and use, such as muzzling an ox that is reading out the grain. They also understood sowing seed, weeds in the midst of wheat, mustard seeds becoming plants, etc. I'm certain that those images helped them understand the principles of the NT church.Concepts refer to contexts that seem so separated that it seems impossible for an agriculture context, animal husbandry, and NT church to be related.
But
Far separated things seem unrelated to some people, but they are related.
So that hearing they hear not and seeing they see not. Matthew 13 and Mark 4
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I will not drag this out.Do you think that the NT society was industrial? People of that time fully understood animal management and use, such as muzzling an ox that is reading out the grain. They also understood sowing seed, weeds in the midst of wheat, mustard seeds becoming plants, etc. I'm certain that those images helped them understand the principles of the NT church.
And what doe s this have to do with the OP?
There are many "OT" commands that carry over into the New Covenant. By listing that one there, James and Peter et al brought it into the New.But the prohibition against eating meat with blood in it or drinking blood is a commandment in the Old Testament.
That is what you have been taught and you assumed. But I do not agree with that.As I pointed out in post #292, the prohibition has nothing to do with the New Covenant.
Of course there are many references. Because the Bible is one seamless book. There is no hard break between Malachi and Matthew.There are many references to the Old Testament in the New Testament. What does your snide comment -- Last time I looked, Acts 15 was in the NEW testament.... mean? Are you a first century Gentile joining the Jewish church?
The New Testament clearly states that there are no longer any prohibitions about what a person can eat or drink. The only principle is not to offend others by what you consume. That is good advice regardless of the historical period.There are many "OT" commands that carry over into the New Covenant. By listing that one there, James and Peter et al brought it into the New.
That is what you have been taught and you assumed. But I do not agree with that.
Of course there are many references. Because the Bible is one seamless book. There is no hard break between Malachi and Matthew.
FYI, I am a 21st century Gentile in a Jewish church.
Luke 16:16 kjvOf course there are many references. Because the Bible is one seamless book. There is no hard break between Malachi and Matthew.
That is either a mis-reading or a misunderstanding of the text.The New Testament clearly states that there are no longer any prohibitions about what a person can eat or drink.
TrueThe only principle is not to offend others by what you consume. That is good advice regardless of the historical period.
That is either a mis-reading or a misunderstanding of the text.
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I thought you might quote that.There is no misunderstanding. The New Testament clearly states that there are no longer any prohibitions about what a person can eat or drink.
Mark 7:14-19, "Then he [Jesus] called the crowd again and said to them, “Listen to me, all of you, and understand: there is nothing outside a person that by going in can defile, but the things that come out are what defile.”He said to them, “So, are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile, since it enters not the heart but the stomach and goes out into the sewer?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.)
Should I accept what you say or what Jesus Christ says???