[_ Old Earth _] Question for evolutionist...

[Deavonreye]

I guess I'm not sure what you mean. :

 

[jasoncran]

I guess I'm not sure what you mean. :

ok lets say that we have two days to prepare for the total annihilation of all life on earth as death comes by apophis. nasa mistook it orbit and it hits in two days. no scientist stops it and why will die soon.

nature then has closed its chapter on men. and all life on earth. what makes you think that is what cares about us or guides men to morality? it by allowing men to live mearly acts on its nature ie chance and natural laws.


you say that we get morality from that! we somehow come up with rules that we as a society agree too and by some trial and err(remember that is what skinner law of learning is) and we are here! we got lucky!!!!

 

[jasoncran]

Zombie Ants - The Spaceport V5.0

from the link posted there from live science.

In a bizarre parasitic death sentence, a fungus turns carpenter ants into the walking dead and gets them to die in a spot that's perfect for the fungus to grow and reproduce.
Scientists have no clue how the fungus takes control of the brains of ants so effectively. But a new study in the September issue of the American Naturalist reveals an incredible set of strategies that ensue.
The carpenter ants nest high in the canopy of a forest in Thailand, and they trek to the forest floor to forage. The fungus, Ophiocordyceps unilateralis, prefers to end up on the undersides leaves sprouting from the northwest side of plants that grow on the forest floor, the new study showed. That's where temperature, humidity and sunlight are ideal for the fungus to grow and reproduce and infect more ants.

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Once infected by the fungus, an ant is compelled to climb down from the canopy to the low leaves, where it clamps down with its mandibles just before it dies.
"The fungus accurately manipulates the infected ants into dying where the parasite prefers to be, by making the ants travel a long way during the last hours of their lives," said study leader David P. Hughes of Harvard University.
After the ant dies, the fungus continues to grow inside it. By dissecting victims, Hughes and colleagues found that the parasite converts the ant's innards into sugars that help the fungus grow. But it leaves the muscles controlling the mandibles intact to make sure the ant keeps its death grip on the leaf.
The fungus also preserves the ant's outer shell, growing into cracks and crevices to reinforce weak spots, thereby fashioning a protective coating that keeps microbes and other fungi out.
"The fungus has evolved a suite of novel strategies to retain possession of its precious resource," Hughes said.
After a week or two, spores from the fungus fall to the forest floor, where other ants can be infected.
Making nests in the forest canopy might be an evolved ant strategy to avoid infection, Hughes figures. The ants also seem to avoid foraging under infected areas. This too might be an adaptive strategy to avoid infection, but more study is needed to confirm it, he said.
How the fungus controls ant behavior remains unknown. "That is another research area we are actively pursuing right now," Hughes said.

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[RoadDebris]

Evoultion is real and it is a process that exists on many levels.

The process of love:
1.Lust - the hormones responsible for that is testosterone and oestrogen

2. Attraction- dopamine, adrenaline and serotonin are the transmitters responsible

3. Attachment--oxytocin and vasopression

Sorry guys, but one of my undergrad degrees is a B.S. in Biochemisty. Just thought I would inform you about these "brain chemicals"

Attraction and attachment has allowed man to be on top of what Darwin coined "survival of the fittest". It is also what has separated us from the rest of the animals...Only Lust is needed to propagate....The attraction and attachment aspects of love has given rise to culture--if not, then we would be no more than a pack of dogs or a pride of lions.

Culture is not by luck or chance.Simply put It is the compilation of learned customs, beliefs , knowledge, values, artifacts and symbols that are constantly communicated among a set of people who share a common way of life passed down generation after generation. Cultures are always changing "evolving" with new ideas, new beliefs, new technologies etc.....

But back to the OP question...Love serves as mans glue for a world that is for evermore evolving...Its not done yet

Can you define love empirically? If it's really just a chemical reaction, how much does it weigh? How tall is it? What it's density? How fast does it go?

 

[RoadDebris]

On absolute morality, I assert that those here who claim morality is merely materialistic are delusional. Proof? The first time money is at stake these folks will argue that their rights are absolute and that everyone has a moral obligation to observe them. Any materialist who goes into his bank to withdraw his savings only to be told that he has no right to the money he deposited there will invariably blow a gasket and demand that he be given access to his assets immediately. He will claim that to withhold his money is absolutely unethical and that he has a right to his own earnings.

 

[rzr]

Can you define love empirically? If it's really just a chemical reaction, how much does it weigh? How tall is it? What it's density? How fast does it go?

I really can't define love.. It just is! People say they Love. And when you ask them to define it , they say just because. But I can tell you that the consequence of such a feeling is related to the hormones that I previously stated. Only God can answer your question..

 

[RoadDebris]

But chemical reactions are quantifiable. If love is merely a process of chemistry then why can't you define it? Doesn't your inability to do so indicate that it's not merely material?

 

[Deavonreye]

Norepinephrine, dopamine, serotonin, oxytocin, vasopressin, . . . do a search on these to see how they react in the body when a person "falls in love". After they die out, often "love" is replaced with "comfortable" or "familiar", . . . even "I don't want to be alone and this person is filling MY need". People pretty much the same way when they begin to "fall in love". Why? Because we all experience the same chemicals.

 

[rzr]

Norepinephrine, dopamine, serotonin, oxytocin, vasopressin, . . . do a search on these to see how they react in the body when a person "falls in love". After they die out, often "love" is replaced with "comfortable" or "familiar", . . . even "I don't want to be alone and this person is filling MY need". People pretty much the same way when they begin to "fall in love". Why? Because we all experience the same chemicals.

Yes! All of this is true and it can be graphed out very nicely.

 

[jasoncran]

why just the other day i told my wife that she is just chemical induced reaction, as she induced mine brain chemistry and i hers.

next up from science no need to actually have women any more we will just have you pick a girls dna and you wont have to bother with her or him and viola a kid is born and you dont need a relationship to have that child. pick your sex partner or if you dont want one, take that concoction that makes one feel "loved" and its all good.