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There are many verses in the bible, show X-Rated Pornography
Such as (Song of Songs 8:8) , (Song of Songs 8:10) …..
And (The NIV Bible, Song of Songs 7:1-4, 8-9)……

How are you trust the bible as words of God, while it has such words?

What is the spiritual point and wisdom from having pornography in the Bible?
How is it supposed to be GOD Almighty's True Living Words?
 
Muhsen said:
There are many verses in the bible, show X-Rated Pornography
Such as (Song of Songs 8:8) , (Song of Songs 8:10) …..
And (The NIV Bible, Song of Songs 7:1-4, 8-9)……

How are you trust the bible as words of God, while it has such words?
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They are words of a community expressing their relationship to God in heartfelt and erotic ways. I find no harm done in such deep spiritual reflection, as that is a product of a particular community at a particular time. We can learn a lot from that community, and why they would write such a way. For that reason, I trust them because they are authentic responses to God, and I wish also to have an authentic response (though probably not in the same way!).

What is the spiritual point and wisdom from having pornography in the Bible?
How is it supposed to be GOD Almighty's True Living Words?
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It was not pornography when it was written. It is not pornography now. And there are far worse verses in the bible that we just accept as the writers' experience or prejudices. It is God's word, but that doesn't mean it is politically correct ;)
 
Source:sadMerriam-Webster Online emphasis added)
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Main Entry: por·nog·ra·phy
Pronunciation: -fE
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek pornographos, adjective, writing about prostitutes, from pornE prostitute + graphein to write; akin to Greek pernanai to sell, poros journey -- more at FARE, CARVE
1 : the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement
2 : material (as books or a photograph) that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement
3 : the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction <the pornography of violence>
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Song of Songs does not contain anything intended to cause or promote immoral behavior. What Song of Songs does talk about is sex, specifically passion, within the confines of marriage, which is neither inappropriate nor sinful. The simple reality is humans are sexual beings, God made us that way, however; as the Bible clearly points out there is a time and place for sexual activity.

Hollywood and the pornography industry promote, sell, and depict sexual activity outside the confines of marriage. They condone immoral behavior.

Something is only pornographic if it promotes immoral behavior and since Song of Songs does not promote immoral behavior it cannot be called pornography.
 
Muhsen said:
Question to Christians

There are many verses in the bible, show X-Rated Pornography
Such as (Song of Songs 8:8) , (Song of Songs 8:10) …..
And (The NIV Bible, Song of Songs 7:1-4, 8-9)……

How are you trust the bible as words of God, while it has such words?

What is the spiritual point and wisdom from having pornography in the Bible?
How is it supposed to be GOD Almighty's True Living Words?
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Really then tell me what is Muhammad doing in a book of pornography?
"all together lovely" remember make up your mind your like a little child.
shalom and love in the name of YESHUA
chana
 
If you know the glorious Quran you will see the Eloquence of Quran and the difference
And you will be convinced that Quran is the word of God

The Bible has some really weird things in it that you would really be ashamed to even share with your own little kids!. It teaches you to fantasize about women's ……-I shy to say it- It also teaches you to sleep with your own sister!.
Let us look at Song of Songs 7:11 "Come, my lover………….
She wished if he were her brother, so she doesn't have to take him home with her in secret. He must have satisfied her really good!!
Let us look at Song of Songs 8:1-3 "If only you were to me like a brother, who was nursed at my mother's ………

Few points to notice from this verse:
1- She wished if her boyfriend/lover was her actual brother so she wouldn't have to take him home in secret.
2- She would sleep with her own brother.
3- She would kiss him publicly.
4- She wants him to feel her body.
5- She wants him to do her all night long!
6- Her wanting to kiss him publicly clearly means that the Bible's *holy* slut is so horny and so turned on that she having him at home doing her all night long is not enough. THEY HAVE TO MAKE OUT PUBLICLY TOO.
What more pornography and sick trash do you want? Even today's internet pornography have not yet gone down to the filthy level of brothers and sisters sleeping with each others. That's how sick and pervert the Bible really is.

If you don't call the above garbage "pornography", then what else would you call it? It wouldn't surprise me to see Christians end up one day sleeping with their sisters, as Christian men are marrying men and Christian women are marrying women in California, USA.

It wouldn't surprise me to see brothers committing adultery with their sisters especially since the Bible seems to allow them to do it anyway (any sister with a stud brother who was nursed by her "mother's brxxx"), especially if they both live over at their mother's home.
 
Neither are the word of God. Since both Christianity and Islam operate on false premises:

1)Judaism is correct.
2)God exists.
 
Islam do not operate on false premises, Islam operate on monotheism, one God this is the true premises.
And those who operate on polytheism and association partner with God, those who operate on false premises
 
Muhsen said:
If you know the glorious Quran you will see the Eloquence of Quran and the difference
And you will be convinced that Quran is the word of God

The Bible has some really weird things in it that you would really be ashamed to even share with your own little kids!. It teaches you to fantasize about women's ……-I shy to say it- It also teaches you to sleep with your own sister!.
Let us look at Song of Songs 7:11 "Come, my lover………….
She wished if he were her brother, so she doesn't have to take him home with her in secret. He must have satisfied her really good!!
Let us look at Song of Songs 8:1-3 "If only you were to me like a brother, who was nursed at my mother's ………

Few points to notice from this verse:
1- She wished if her boyfriend/lover was her actual brother so she wouldn't have to take him home in secret.
2- She would sleep with her own brother.
3- She would kiss him publicly.
4- She wants him to feel her body.
5- She wants him to do her all night long!
6- Her wanting to kiss him publicly clearly means that the Bible's *holy* slut is so horny and so turned on that she having him at home doing her all night long is not enough. THEY HAVE TO MAKE OUT PUBLICLY TOO.
What more pornography and sick trash do you want? Even today's internet pornography have not yet gone down to the filthy level of brothers and sisters sleeping with each others. That's how sick and pervert the Bible really is.

If you don't call the above garbage "pornography", then what else would you call it? It wouldn't surprise me to see Christians end up one day sleeping with their sisters, as Christian men are marrying men and Christian women are marrying women in California, USA.

It wouldn't surprise me to see brothers committing adultery with their sisters especially since the Bible seems to allow them to do it anyway (any sister with a stud brother who was nursed by her "mother's brxxx"), especially if they both live over at their mother's home.
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Really now lets look at cousin marrying cousin its a big problem here in Denmark because the children are being born retarded it is such a hug problem, it was in all the papers
And you don't se that with the Christian at least I haven't heard about it and believe me with people like you and the lefties we would had heard about it in public too. And talking about adultery you should be the last one to talk, do you really think that ever honor killing is about the girl had done something wrong no its a cover up for the fact that brothers rape their sisters thats the honor killing most of the time shame on you. the brothers rape their sisters and guess what for goes her head and thats a fact so don't even try nto deny it
 
1:could you show some politeness please?! I did not offend anybody

2: I am not talking about problems with society, I am talking about the words which suppose to be God’s word, according you, contain such rubbish and garbage
 
Muhsen said:
If you know the glorious Quran you will see the Eloquence of Quran and the difference
And you will be convinced that Quran is the word of God
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I will admit I have not read the whole Quran, but what I have seen so far makes me think it is no different from the Old Testament. One of the main examples comes from Ebon Musings:

Is lying ever acceptable?
Lying forbidden: Sura 2:42
"Confound not truth with falsehood, nor knowingly conceal the truth."
Lying condoned: Sura 66:1-2
"O Prophet! Why holdest thou to be forbidden that which Allah has made lawful to thee? Thou seekest to please thy consorts. But Allah is oft-forgiving, most merciful. Allah has already ordained for you (O men), the dissolution of your oaths (in some cases): and Allah is your protector, and He is full of knowledge and wisdom."

Commentary: In 2:42 Muslims are instructed not to lie, generally a wise precept. But sura 66 tells a different story, one that sheds a great deal of light on the self-serving nature of some of Muhammad's "revelations".

Muhammad had several wives, among them Hafsah and Ayshah. In the interests of fairness (fairness!!) a revolving schedule was established wherein his wives would take turns to be with him - each woman would get one day at a time. But one day Muhammad decided to violate this schedule; he slept with one of his wives, Mary, on a day that was supposed to be another woman's turn. Hafsah found out about this and threatened to tell Muhammad's apparent favorite, Ayshah. To prevent her from doing this, Muhammad promised he would not touch Mary again, but Hafsah told the other women anyway. According to tradition, the Prophet reacted by becoming angry and secluding himself, ignoring all his consorts except Mary for several weeks.

Fortunately, it was at this point that Allah, the infinite, all-powerful creator of the universe, decided to step in and resolve this domestic dispute. If the text is to be believed, he explicitly gave Muhammad permission to break his promise not to touch Mary (to lie, in other words), then threatened the prophet's other wives with hellfire and eternal torture if they did not repent and obey their husband.
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It is not only a contradiction, but shows that Muhammad used Allah as a pocket god. He could just threaten anyone with hell to get his way and say that Allah told him to say it.

Quath
 
Cross_+_Flame said:
Muhsen said:
There are many verses in the bible, show X-Rated Pornography
Such as (Song of Songs 8:8) , (Song of Songs 8:10) …..
And (The NIV Bible, Song of Songs 7:1-4, 8-9)……

How are you trust the bible as words of God, while it has such words?
Click to expand...
They are words of a community expressing their relationship to God in heartfelt and erotic ways. I find no harm done in such deep spiritual reflection, as that is a product of a particular community at a particular time. We can learn a lot from that community, and why they would write such a way. For that reason, I trust them because they are authentic responses to God, and I wish also to have an authentic response (though probably not in the same way!).

What is the spiritual point and wisdom from having pornography in the Bible?
How is it supposed to be GOD Almighty's True Living Words?
Click to expand...
It was not pornography when it was written. It is not pornography now. And there are far worse verses in the bible that we just accept as the writers' experience or prejudices. It is God's word, but that doesn't mean it is politically correct ;)
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I would suggest you read those verses daily to your children if you have any, seeing that there is nothing wrong with them, Read about Incest and Rape and all other absurdities too.There is nothing wrong with them
Peace
:angel:
 
Muhsen said:
1:could you show some politeness please?! I did not offend anybody

2: I am not talking about problems with society, I am talking about the words which suppose to be God’s word, according you, contain such rubbish and garbage
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The Quran does rather go on about how, "the unbelievers will be punished" ad nauseam.

Is this God's word? lots of threats?
 
warner said:
I would suggest you read those verses daily to your children if you have any, seeing that there is nothing wrong with them, Read about Incest and Rape and all other absurdities too.There is nothing wrong with them
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Non Sequitar. I would assert that taking verses out of their context, or reading passages without contextualizing them, *IS* wrong indeed. Therefore, I would do no such thing without giving the passages the proper respect they deserve to allow them to be received with a greater understanding.

The above quote also insinuates that I approve of passages that are violent; that is completely absurd! What aspect of appreciating poetry for what it means translates to approving violent prose that has no poetic meaning other than history? I would suggest one re-reads my post again for clarity.
 
Quath said:
I will admit I have not read the whole Quran, but what I have seen so far makes me think it is no different from the Old Testament. One of the main examples comes from Ebon Musings:

Is lying ever acceptable?
Lying forbidden: Sura 2:42
"Confound not truth with falsehood, nor knowingly conceal the truth."
Lying condoned: Sura 66:1-2
"O Prophet! Why holdest thou to be forbidden that which Allah has made lawful to thee? Thou seekest to please thy consorts. But Allah is oft-forgiving, most merciful. Allah has already ordained for you (O men), the dissolution of your oaths (in some cases): and Allah is your protector, and He is full of knowledge and wisdom."

Commentary: In 2:42 Muslims are instructed not to lie, generally a wise precept. But sura 66 tells a different story, one that sheds a great deal of light on the self-serving nature of some of Muhammad's "revelations".

Muhammad had several wives, among them Hafsah and Ayshah. In the interests of fairness (fairness!!) a revolving schedule was established wherein his wives would take turns to be with him - each woman would get one day at a time. But one day Muhammad decided to violate this schedule; he slept with one of his wives, Mary, on a day that was supposed to be another woman's turn. Hafsah found out about this and threatened to tell Muhammad's apparent favorite, Ayshah. To prevent her from doing this, Muhammad promised he would not touch Mary again, but Hafsah told the other women anyway. According to tradition, the Prophet reacted by becoming angry and secluding himself, ignoring all his consorts except Mary for several weeks.

Fortunately, it was at this point that Allah, the infinite, all-powerful creator of the universe, decided to step in and resolve this domestic dispute. If the text is to be believed, he explicitly gave Muhammad permission to break his promise not to touch Mary (to lie, in other words), then threatened the prophet's other wives with hellfire and eternal torture if they did not repent and obey their husband.
-----------------------------------------

It is not only a contradiction, but shows that Muhammad used Allah as a pocket god. He could just threaten anyone with hell to get his way and say that Allah told him to say it.

Quath
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Great, you admitted that you don’t know the Quran and even though you have interpreted it.

Here Ibn katheer Explanation

Allah censures His Prophet for Prohibiting Himself from what He has allowed for Him In the Book of Vows

Al-Bukhari recorded that `Ubayd bin `Umayr said that he heard `A'ishah claiming that Allah's Messenger used to stay for a period in the house of Zaynab bint Jahsh and drink honey in her house. (She said) "Hafsah and I decided that when the Prophet entered upon either of us, we would say, `I smell Maghafir on you. Have you eaten Maghafir' When he entered upon one of us, she said that to him. He replied (to her(

(No, but I drank honey in the house of Zaynab bint Jahsh, and I will never drink it again.)'' Then the following was revealed;

(O Prophet! Why do you fobid that which Allah has allowed to you)



DivineNames said:
The Quran does rather go on about how, "the unbelievers will be punished" ad nauseam.

Is this God's word? lots of threats?
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Surely God will punish the unbelievers and he warned them in Quran
The unbelievers those who associate partner with God whether Jesus or others.

nuhmmie said:
doesn't the quran say it's okay to lie to a non muslim?
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No Quran does not say. Give me one Verse.

Salam
 
Muhsen said:
Islam do not operate on false premises, Islam operate on monotheism, one God this is the true premises.
And those who operate on polytheism and association partner with God, those who operate on false premises
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I don't operate on polytheism. I'm not a Christian. Your religion is just as false as every other religion.
 
The only True religion is Islam :

Noble Quran 3:85. And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.

Noble Quran 3:19! Truly, the religion with Allâh is Islâam. Those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) did not differ except, out of mutual jealousy, after knowledge had come to them. And whoever disbelieves in the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allâh, then surely, Allâh is Swift in calling to account.

Noble Quran 5:3! … This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islâam as your religion…

Noble Qur’aan 5:3! … This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islâam as your religion…
 
The Holy Trinity and al_Qur'an

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/4 ... inity.html



"What other doctrine does 'three' refer to if not the Trinity?

Rather than speculating on what 'three' means, we should go directly to the Qur'an and let it speak for itself. The other verse in the Qur'an that expands on the concept of 'three', is the following;



[al-Ma'idah 5:116] And when Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? he saith: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then Thou knewest it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy Mind. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower of Things Hidden ?[1]



This is a very interesting verse, as the Qur'an is directing itself to is a group of people who believe

Jesus and Mary are two gods - 'me and my mother for two gods'

That God is worshipped with these two other gods - 'beside Allah'


This verse tells us what the three represents, a belief in a tritheism of Gods Jesus and Mary and Allah. The doctrine of the Holy Trinity however, reveals the following


There is one God

The Godhead consists of three persons Father,Son and Holy Spirit.

It is quite clear that the belief condemned by the Qur'an is not the Holy Trinity , more over such a doctrine is abhorrent to Christians as it is to Muslims."
 
Muhsen said:
Surely God will punish the unbelievers and he warned them in Quran
The unbelievers those who associate partner with God whether Jesus or others.
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Its not clear that the Quran actually condemns the Trinity doctrine.


I'm not sure that the Trinity really involves "associating partners with God".
 
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