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Gary_Bee said:
God can do anything! Just as in the act of creation, God's eternal Word came out of Him when He spoke to create all things (but He did not become two gods), so when he spoke His eternal Word into the virgin Mary, God's Word remained God and at the same time became a man like us.

Jesus never stopped being almighty God's Eternal Word. It says, ‘The Word became flesh ...’ (John 1:14); not ‘The Word changed to flesh.’ He is not sometimes God and sometimes man, nor is He half God and half man. He is both fully God and fully human at the same time!

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If Jesus was fully GOD then why did he fall on his face and pray to GOD.Does GOD worship GOD.Why did GOD Get men too look afre him in the garden of Gethsemane.Can GOD not look after himself he needs men who fell asleep to look after.Does GOD get captured by Group of Cohorts and cannot defend himself.Why would a GOD sweat Blood and beg another GOD to save him from death.Is one GOD at the mercy of another GOD.Why did GOD not answer his prayers were both of the other.Why did this GOD always say that he has no power and that the other GOD had all the power.If jesus if GOD fully GOD then why is he at the right hand of GOD.
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Can there be anything more absurd than that.GOD gave himself to man because he Loved man so much, he Killed himself:

God's Love: One of God's greatest attributes is love. True love is self giving (not taking) for the sake of another. God gave Himself to us in order to forgive us and save us from eternal judgement/death.
... he too shared in their humanity (flesh and blood) so that by his death he might destroy ... the devil and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death ... (Hebrews 2:14,15)

He learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect he became the source of eternal salvation ... (Hebrews 5:8,9)


Answering-Islam is getting worst and more Ridiculous.
It seems they have not understood the Concept of GOD who and what he is.
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warmer said:
If Jesus was fully GOD then why did he fall on his face and pray to GOD.Does GOD worship GOD.Why did GOD Get men too look afre him in the garden of Gethsemane.Can GOD not look after himself he needs men who fell asleep to look after.Does GOD get captured by Group of Cohorts and cannot defend himself.Why would a GOD sweat Blood and beg another GOD to save him from death.Is one GOD at the mercy of another GOD.Why did GOD not answer his prayers were both of the other.Why did this GOD always say that he has no power and that the other GOD had all the power.If jesus if GOD fully GOD then why is he at the right hand of GOD.

warner, you do not yet understand the Christian concept of God. That is why you are making these false statements about our beliefs.

IF you had read the link I gave you, you would start to understand that the Holy Bible teaches that there are three distinct, yet inseparable Persons who exist as the one true God: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

The three Persons of God, because they are personally distinct, have loving communion and dialog amongst themselves. Therefore, the Lord Jesus wasn't praying to himself, but was actually praying to the Person of the Father.

Furthermore, the Holy Bible also teaches that Jesus became, and forever will remain, a true human being. It is, therefore, not surprising that Christ did what every God-fearing person is supposed to do, namely pray and worship God.

Jesus is man as God intends all men to be, namely a perfect servant who perfectly submits and worships the true God.

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Muhsen said:
It does not make sense for God to take on a human form and walk on earth



Do you think the Bible portrays Jesus as merely a prophet, in keeping with the Islamic view?
 
DivineNames said:
Muhsen said:
It does not make sense for God to take on a human form and walk on earth



Do you think the Bible portrays Jesus as merely a prophet, in keeping with the Islamic view?

Yes Jesus was no more than prophet. in the Quran and Some verse in the bible like :
Luke 7:16, 13:33, 24:18-19 - Jesus was a prophet.
 
Al-Masih: Jesus the Messiah

Jesus alone is called the Messiah in the Qur’an. No other prophet, patriarch or priest is given this title. In Arabic it is simply al-Masih. The Qur’an makes no attempt to define the title but it does award it to Jesus on no less than eleven occasions. Sometimes it is simply al-Masih, "the Messiah" (Surah 5:72), elsewhere it is al-Masihu Isa, "the Messiah Jesus" (Surah 4:157), while it also appears as al-Masihubnu Maryam, "the Messiah son of Mary" (Surah 5:17). It is a unique title, given to no one else, but applied to Jesus nearly a dozen times.

If you were to ask a Muslim what it means, he really could not tell you other than to say, "Jesus is the Messiah." The title actually has no meaning in Islam and is not derived from any Arabic word. It is an arabised form of ha-Mashiah, the Hebrew title which does have a meaning, namely "the Anointed One." The Jews had long awaited this coming figurehead, especially after his advent had been announced through all the prophets as we have seen. It was Daniel, however, who first gave the coming Son of David the express title Messiah (Daniel 9:25). Without an explanation in Islam one has to go to the Jewish and Christian scriptures to find its meaning.

Surah 4:171 says Jesus was no more than a messenger but all Jews and Christians know that this specific title, the Messiah, speaks of a man who stands out above all other men, including the other messengers of God. The Old Testament prophecies we have considered, and many more, show that he would be possessed of a regality, majesty, splendour and excellence above all other men. While denying that Jesus is the Son of God, the Qur’an, nevertheless, is giving him a title that implies that he is the ultimate man of human history and the holy one who was to be the final expression of the revelation of God to men. "God was in the Messiah, reconciling the world to himself" (2 Corinthians 5:19).

The most important issue here, in considering Surah 4:171, is to show Muslims that while the Qur’an denies that Jesus is the Son of God, it is giving him a title that proves unreservedly that he is! In Biblical times the expressions Messiah and Son of God were synonymous. Let us look at some key texts you can quote to Muslims to prove the point.

1. Jewish believers in Jesus

  • The Jewish disciples of Jesus freely used the two titles, Messiah and Son of God, interchangeably. (Although the Greek texts use the word Christos, the Greek word for Messiah meaning "Christ," we will use the original Hebrew designation as it makes the point more forcefully). Simon Peter was one of the first Jewish followers of Jesus to do so:

    You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God. Matthew 16:16

    Nathaniel was another who simultaneously called Jesus the Son of God and the King of Israel, another synonym for Messiah (John 1:49). Martha, the sister of Lazarus and Mary, also used the two titles simultaneously in her expression of belief in Jesus:

    I believe you are the Messiah, the Son of God, he who is coming into the world. John 11:27

2. Caiaphas, the Jewish High Priest

  • When Jesus was brought before Caiaphas, the High Priest of Israel, on the night of his trial, Caiaphas also used the titles synonymously when placing Jesus on oath to declare whether he was the Son of God:

    I adjure you, by the living God, tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God. Matthew 26:63

3. The Early Christian Gospel-Writers

  • The closest followers of Jesus during his lifetime, and others who followed him shortly after his resurrection and ascension to heaven, also used the titles together in various contexts to declare who Jesus really was. Here are two examples:

    The beginning of the Gospel of Jesus the Messiah, the Son of God. Mark 1:1

    These are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name. John 20:31

4. Demons who Recognised Him

  • Even the demons who were chased out of many they had possessed knew that Jesus was both the Messiah and the Son of God. They knew him from all eternity as the eternal Son from the Father and recognised him in human form when he commanded them with authority to depart.

    And demons also came out of many, crying, "You are the Son of God!" But he rebuked them, and would not allow them to speak, because they knew that he was the Messiah. Luke 4:41

From all these texts we can see how unique the title Messiah is. It is no ordinary title, it is one of the highest eminence and only the Son of God in human form could claim it. This much is obvious from the texts we have quoted. Both the followers of Jesus and his enemies knew who the Messiah really would be.

By admitting that Jesus is the Messiah and by confirming his own emphatic declaration to this effect (John 4:25-26), the Qur’an has duly given Jesus a title which implies that he is the very person that the Qur’an is otherwise at such pains to deny, the Son of God himself.

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Muhsen said:
DivineNames said:
Muhsen said:
It does not make sense for God to take on a human form and walk on earth



Do you think the Bible portrays Jesus as merely a prophet, in keeping with the Islamic view?

Yes Jesus was no more than prophet. in the Quran and Some verse in the bible like :
Luke 7:16, 13:33, 24:18-19 - Jesus was a prophet.


That some Bible verses use the term "prophet" of Jesus, does that show the Bible is portraying him merely as a prophet in the way that Islam would accept? If that is what you are saying then it seems like a very weak argument.
 
Muhsen said:
Rather why God has to became man !!!!!!!!

Don’t you think you put down the valuation Of God almighty when you think He become man ?!!!!!!
This is very dangerous doctrine, and it will throw its believer in the hell fire



Writing about early Christian heretics who denied the humanity of Christ, Walter Farrell gives the view-


"It is strange, seeing the clarity of the same truth in the human order, that such mistakes should have been made. Thomas, writing for beginners in composing his Summa Theologica, did not lower himself. The teacher of first graders descends to an inferior intellectual level but she does not demean herself, nor does she degrade the children she teaches. In the Incarnation, God was not dragged down; He came down. It was a gracious gesture of an infinitely generous love which rather raised God in our estimation even though it added nothing to God. The Incarnation is a graphic statement of the depths to which the love of God will plunge seeking us out; it is in no sense a lowering of God."


W. Farrell, A Companion to the Summa: Volume 4 The Way of Life (Christian Classics and Sheed & Ward, 1974 edition) Page 55.
 
As humankind, we can't imagine God almighty or anything concerning him we have limited power, he is Omnipotent , Omniscient, Omnibenevolent .
God almighty, sent the prophets to guide people to worship him without partner, he will reward them and send them to paradise and there only they can see God almighty, no need for Incarnation it does not make sense for him to come down. so why he sent the prophets?!!!
 
Muhsen said:
As humankind, we can't imagine God almighty or anything concerning him we have limited power, he is Omnipotent , Omniscient, Omnibenevolent .
God almighty, sent the prophets to guide people to worship him without partner, he will reward them and send them to paradise and there only they can see God almighty, no need for Incarnation it does not make sense for him to come down. so why he sent the prophets?!!!

What do you mean it does not make sense for him to come down? do you mean JESUS? do you know what make sense to GOD and what doesn't?
And let me tell it was GODS plan to send IS SON YESHUA down here from day one and coming from you who don't even know GOD thats real neat.

12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Do you understand the meaning of the blood of CHRIST? and thats why one x muslim said that while he was a muslim he had a lust for blood that was unnatural and as we can read that satans lust for blood is mixed with the hate for GODS CHILDREN. satan is a murder.
Shalom and love in the only true GOD whos blood cleanses us from sin, HALLELU-YAH
 
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