[_ Old Earth _] Questions For Evolutionists

[Justice]

I found these questions By Dr. Kent Hovind. I could not find a link for the listed questions. The source is --- The Evidence Bible By Ray Comfort:

!. Where did the space for the universe come from?
2. Where did matter come form?
3. Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?
4. How did matter get so perfectly organized?
5. Where did the energy come from to do the organizing?
6. When, where, why, and how did life come from dead matter?
7. When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?
8. With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?
9. Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kind since this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)
10. How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)
11. Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor?
12. Natural selection only works with the genetic information available and tends only to keep a species stable. How would you explain the increasing complexity in the genetic code that must have occurred if evolution were true?
13. When, where, why, and how did:
a) Single-celled plants become multi-celled? (Where are the two- and three- celled intermediates?)
b) Single-celled animals evolve?
c) Fish change to amphibians?
d) Amphibians change to reptiles?
e) Reptiles change to birds? (The lungs, bones, eyes, reproductive organs, heart, method of locomotion, body covering, etc, are all very different!) How did the intermediate forms live?
14. When, where, why, how, and from what did:
a) Whales evolve?
b) Sea horses evolve?
c) Bats evolve?
d) Eyes evolve?
e) Ears evolve?
f) Hair, skin, feathers, scales, nails, claws. etc, evolve?
15. Which evolved first (how, and how long, did it work without the others)?
a) The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body's resistance to it's own digestive juice (stomach, intestines etc.)?
b) The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce?
c) The lungs, the mucus lining to protect them. the throat. or the perfect mixture of gases to be breathed into the lungs?
d) DNA or RNA to carry the DNA message to cell parts?
e) The termite or the flagella in its intestines that actually digest the cellulose?
f) The plants or the insects that live on and pollinate the plants?
g) The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or muscles to move the bones?
h) The nervous system, repair system, or hormone system?
i) The immune system or the need for it?

Dr. Kent Hovind goes on to state --- The test of any theory is whether or not it provides answers to basic questions. Some well-meaning but misguided people think evolution is a reasonable theory to explain man's questions about the universe. Evolution is not a good theory --- it is just a pagan religion masquerading as science.

Dr. Hovind's site --- http://www.drdino.com/Ministry/250k/index.jsp

Dr. Hovind's has offered $250,000 since 1990 to anyone who can give any empirical evidence (scientific proof) for evolution.

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

I found these questions By Dr. Kent Hovind. I could not find a link for the listed questions. The source is --- The Evidence Bible By Ray Comfort:

1. Where did the space for the universe come from?

Nothing to do with evolution

2. Where did matter come form?

Nothing to do with evolution.

3. Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?
4. How did matter get so perfectly organized?
5. Where did the energy come from to do the organizing?
6. When, where, why, and how did life come from dead matter?

Nothing to do with evolution.

7. When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?
8. With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?
9. Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kind since this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)

How about this:
Eukaryote group A has high reproduction rate, B has low reproduction rate. Both groups have similar environments, both groups have a limited mortality. Sudden change in temperature occurs and 40% of both groups die off. Group A is still much larger and survives because it has a large enough sustainable pop. Group B is almost entirely gone, Group B quickly dies off because it cannot reproduce faster than its death rate. Group A goes on to sire all further life on planet. Evolution has occured here, A has been selected for its greater ability to survive.

10. How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)

Strawman. Been dealt with before.

11. Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor?

Possible? Yes. Is there any reason to believe in a creator? None produced so far. Evidence shows common ancestor. So common ancestor it is.

12. Natural selection only works with the genetic information available and tends only to keep a species stable. How would you explain the increasing complexity in the genetic code that must have occurred if evolution were true?

Change in environments produces pressure to select. Genetic mutation provides an amount of new information to be chosen for or simply forgotten as time goes on. Environmental change-> change in species-> repeat ad infinitum = Evolution

13. When, where, why, and how did:
a) Single-celled plants become multi-celled? (Where are the two- and three- celled intermediates?)
b) Single-celled animals evolve?
c) Fish change to amphibians?
d) Amphibians change to reptiles?
e) Reptiles change to birds? (The lungs, bones, eyes, reproductive organs, heart, method of locomotion, body covering, etc, are all very different!) How did the intermediate forms live?
14. When, where, why, how, and from what did:
a) Whales evolve?
b) Sea horses evolve?
c) Bats evolve?
d) Eyes evolve?
e) Ears evolve?
f) Hair, skin, feathers, scales, nails, claws. etc, evolve?

Get a bloody biology textbook and do some research on your own. Don't be lazy.

15. Which evolved first (how, and how long, did it work without the others)?
a) The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body's resistance to it's own digestive juice (stomach, intestines etc.)?
b) The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce?
c) The lungs, the mucus lining to protect them. the throat. or the perfect mixture of gases to be breathed into the lungs?
d) DNA or RNA to carry the DNA message to cell parts?
e) The termite or the flagella in its intestines that actually digest the cellulose?
f) The plants or the insects that live on and pollinate the plants?
g) The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or muscles to move the bones?
h) The nervous system, repair system, or hormone system?
i) The immune system or the need for it?

Dr. Kent Hovind goes on to state --- The test of any theory is whether or not it provides answers to basic questions. Some well-meaning but misguided people think evolution is a reasonable theory to explain man's questions about the universe. Evolution is not a good theory --- it is just a pagan religion masquerading as science.

Here his site --- http://www.drdino.com/Ministry/250k/index.jsp

Dr. Hovind's has offered $250,000 since 1990 to anyone who can give any empirical evidence (scientific proof) for evolution.

Wow you've just dug up, the oldest, most rigorously refuted creationist site on the internet. Good job at providing new content justice. Why not come up with a dazzling new argument from the 1840's while you're at it?

 

[reznwerks]

hovind

http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/kent ... llenge.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind.html
http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/kent ... llenge.htm
http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/kent ... s_lies.htm
http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/bart ... thesis.htm
http://www.nmsr.org/hovind.htm
http://www.natcenscied.org/resources/ar ... 1_1999.asp
http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/hovi ... _tales.htm
http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/hovi ... _henke.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/200112081359 ... uotes.html
Anyone who takes Hovind seriously hasn't seen the links above.

 

[cubedbee]

!. Where did the space for the universe come from? God
2. Where did matter come form? God
3. Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)? God
4. How did matter get so perfectly organized? The unfolding of the natural laws that God created.
5. Where did the energy come from to do the organizing? God
6. When, where, why, and how did life come from dead matter? Billions of years ago, due to the guidance of God.
7. When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself? Billions of years ago, the answer to the previous question, since life, by definition, reproduces itself.
8. With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce? Binary fission
9. Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kind since this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?) It's not a matter of want, it's a matter of intrinsic biological neccesity. If it doesn't reproduce, its not life.
10. How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.) What does Chinese have to do with it? If you have a computer program, which at the machine level is a string of 1's and 0's, and randomly add your own 1's and 0's to it, you will change what the program does. There are certain additions you can make which will result in improved functions. DNA is the same way.
11. Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor? It's possible, but that Creator meticuously designed them so it would appear as if they had a common ancestor, which seems oddly deceptive for God.
12. Natural selection only works with the genetic information available and tends only to keep a species stable. How would you explain the increasing complexity in the genetic code that must have occurred if evolution were true? Your first sentence is false.
13. When, where, why, and how did:
a) Single-celled plants become multi-celled? (Where are the two- and three- celled intermediates?) Mulicellular life probably began as collections of cells which could survive independently, but could also cooperate in aggregate. Given that cooperation probably resulted in competitve advantage, larger aggregates would have been favored over smaller ones. Perhaps, the physiology of the cells dictated that they clump together upon contact with other ones.

This is getting boring, get a biology textbook if you care about the answers.

 

[Barbarian]

Classic "Gish Gallop." Throw out all the questions you can, hoping that they can't get to them all in the allotted time. Doesn't work on the net, though.

I'm tired of answering that list myself. But if our creationist friend will pose them one at a time, in order of importance to him personally, I will answer them. A bonus would be phrasing it in his own words.

I suspect he's not going to do that.

 

[Justice]

Lazy --- Please, I pre- typed the questions since I could not find a link: Since you think you have all the answers why haven't you guys collected the $250,000???

A "bloody" biology textbook helps in showing what's already known. That does not prove the theory of evolution.

Different races must mean that every race had it's own ape like creature: But let's not get into the different breeds of dogs and cats.

I think Darwin chased too many butterflies and watched too many tadpoles sprout legs.

Justice

Biology Eliminates Evolution
http://www.csulb.edu/~jmastrop/data1.html

Evolution Is Biologically Impossible
http://www.csulb.edu/~jmastrop/data2.html
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More prize money --- The Life Science Prize

http://www.csulb.edu/~jmastrop/prize.html

Debate Dodgers List as of November 2004
A debate dodger is a creation basher who declines “to put money where the mouth is.â€Â
This list is kept by public school creationist, Mr. Karl Priest (kcpriest@aol.com).
1. Dr. Massimo Pigliucci. Atheist and science professor, Tennessee University. (3-11-02)
2. Mr. Andre H. Artus. Atheist. No credentials provided.
3. Mr. Lee Bowen. Atheist. No credentials provided.
4. Dr. Angela Ridgel. Geneticist, Case Western Reserve University.
5. Mr. Dan Radmacher. Editorial page editor, Charleston Gazette.
6. Dr. James Paulson. Biochemist, University of Wisconsin.
7. Dr. Lawrence Krauss. Physicist, Case Western University.
8. Dr. Dennis D. Hirsch. Law professor, Capital University.
9. Mr. John Rennie. Editor, Scientific American. Author of ‘15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense.’
10. Dr. Barbara Forrest. Professor of philosophy at Southeastern Louisiana.
11. Dr. Steve Rissing. Professor in the Department of Evolution at Ohio State University.
12. Dr. Eugenie Scott. Executive Director of the National Center for Science Education.
13. Dr. Michael Shermer. Founder/director of the Skeptics Society.
14. Dr. Richard Dawkins. Oxford University, Professor of Public Understanding of Science.
15. Dr. Francisco J. Ayala. Donald Bren Professor of Biological Sciences, Dept. of Ecology & Evolutionary Biology, Professor of Philosophy, School of Humanities, University of California, Irvine.
16. Dr. Joe Meert, Department of Geological Sciences, University of Florida.
17. Dr. Kenneth R. Miller. Professor of Biology, Brown University.
18. Dr. Lawrence S. Lerner. Professor Emeritus of Physics and Astronomy, California State University, Long Beach, author of Good Science, Bad Science: Teaching Evolution in the States, which was published in 2000 by the Thomas B. Fordham Foundation (http://www.edexcellence.net).
19. Dr. Adrian L. Melott. Professor of Physics and Astronomy, Fellow, American Physical Society.
20. Dr. Stephen W. Hawking. Lucasian Professor of Mathematics, Cambridge University.
21. Marilyn vos Savant. Listed in the Guinness Book of World Records Hall of Fame for " Highest IQ."
22. Dr. Douglas Theobald, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, University of Colorado at Boulder, claims to have "29+ Evidences for Macroevolution" which establishes "The Scientific Case for Common Descent."
23. Dr. Keith Carmichael. Chemical Engineer-DOW (retired).
24. Dr. Daniel C. Dennett. Austin B. Fletcher Professor of Philosophy, Tufts University.
25. Dr. Peter Atkins. Chemistry, Oxford University, England.
26. Dr. Michael Ruse. Lucyle T. Werkmeister Professor of Philosophy, Florida State University.
27. Dr. Steven W. Squyres. Professor of Astronomy, Cornell University, and leading NASA
scientist in the search for extra-terrestrial life.
28. Dr. Wilfred A. Elders. Professor Emeritus of Geology, University of California, Riverside.
29. Mr. Bill Nye. The Science Guy.
30. Dr. William Provine. Professor of Ecology & Evolutionary Biology, Cornell University.
31. Mr. Ed Blayton. Internet evolutionism activist.
32. Dr. Marshall Berman. Former New Mexico SBE member and Sandia physicist.
33. Ms. Amanda Chesworth. Former president of Internet Infidels, leader of the Committee for
the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal Young Skeptics, CSICOPYS, and
crusader for establishing a Darwin Day.
34. Dr. Michael Zimmerman. Dean of the College of Letters and Science, Professor of Biology, University of Wisconsin, Oshkosh, ecologist, newspaper columnist, Fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.
35. Mrs.Sharon Begley. Science Editor of the The Wall Street Journal, formerly Senior Editor at Newsweek magazine for 25 years.
36. Dr. Brian Leiter. Joseph D. Jamail Centennial Chair in Law, Professor of Philosophy, and Director of the Law & Philosophy Program, University of Texas.
37. Dr. John H. Marburger, III. Science Adviser to the President and Director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy.
38. Chairman Professor Urban Ungerstedt, Deputy Chairman Professor Sten Grillner, Secretary Professor Hans Jornvall. Nobel Prize Assembly, Karolinska Institutet, Stockholm, Sweden.
39. Dr. Ernst Mayr, Alexander Agassiz Professor of Zoology, Emeritus. Harvard University.
40. Mr. Richard Carrier. Secular Web editor, Ph. D. candidate. Columbia University.
41. Dr. Edward O. Wilson. Pellegrino University Research Professor. Harvard University.
42. Dr. John F. Haught. Thomas Healey Professor of Theology. Georgetown University.

Organizations, Departments, Universities
All members were challenged.
1. Case Western Reserve University.
2. American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS).
3. National Center for Science Education, “Steves†Group.
4. West Virginia University.
5. Marshall University.
6. California State University, Long Beach. College of Natural Sciences and Mathematics.
7. University of California, Irvine. Eleven of the professors of evolutionism.
8. Oxford University (England) All identified professors of evolution.
9. American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).
10. National Science Teachers Association (NSTA). Over 40 officials. Spokesman, Dr. Gerald F.
Wheeler, Executive Director, admitted that evolution never existed.
11. Seven presidents of various geological societies that sought the censorship of a Young Earth Creation Grand Canyon book in a 16 December letter to Grand Canyon National Park: William I. Ausich (Paleontological Society), Robert E. Dickinson (American Geophysical Union), Cathryn A. Manduca (National Association of Geoscience Teachers), John C. Steinmetz (Association of American State Geologists), Hans-Dieter Sues (Society for Vertebrate Paleontology), Barbara J. Tewksbury (American Geological Institute), and Robert van der Voo (Geological Society of America).
12. American Institute of Biological Sciences, Dr. Joel Cracraft, President, and Dr. Richard O'Grady, Executive Director.
13. National Association of Biology Teachers (Wayne Carley, Executive Director; Cheryl Merrill, Managing Editor, American Biology Teacher).
14. Society for Neuroscience (organization of basic scientists and physicians who study the brain and nervous system)
15. Nobel Prize Assembly, Karolinska Institutet, Stockholm, Sweden.

Alternative Rules
To accommodate, these modified rules were offered in vain to some organizations, some
universities, and Dr. Francisco Ayala.
1. The evolutionist puts a $10,000 check in escrow with the judge.
2. The devolutionist puts a $10,000 check in escrow with the judge.
3. If the evolutionist proves evolution is science, then the evolutionist is awarded the $20,000.
4. If the devolutionist proves that devolution, the opposite of evolution, is science, then the
devolutionist is awarded the $20,000.
5. Evidence must be scientific, that is, objective, valid, reliable and calibrated.
6. The preponderance of evidence prevails.
7. At the end of the trial, the judge hands the prevailing party both checks.
8. The judge is a superior court judge.
9. The venue is a courthouse.

Conclusion
All of these experiences confirm that evolution is an inverted fantasy based on vitalism superstitions 2,500 years old.
Reference
Mastropaolo, Joseph. The Rise and Fall of Evolution, A Scientific Examination. 2003. pp. 1-127,
Appendix D.
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Surely you guys can take these challenges and win the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Show all those Professors just who you are!!! I would like to hear outcome.

Justice

 

[Chupacabra]

Different races must mean that every race had it's own ape like creature: But let's not get into the different breeds of dogs and cats.

Oy vey, did you bother to do any research on evolution at all? The existance of different races most likely points to the fact that man originated in Africa and later dispersed and adapted to new environments.

As for the link you posted, it uses nothing but straw men, claiming in one section that evolution states that physical non-genetic changes in parents are passed on to offspring. After reading this and a number of other laughable claims, I wondered who in their right mind would not only believe, but write this stuff. I then clicked on another link revealing that these biology experts were an aerospace physiologist and a middle school math teacher.

 

[Barbarian]

Lazy --- Please, I pre- typed the questions since I could not find a link: Since you think you have all the answers why haven't you guys collected the $250,000???

There's a little escape clause in his challenge. You see, to win, one doesn't prove that the theory of evolution is true. One has to prove that Hovind's definition of it is true.

And his definition isn't remotely like the one scientists use. He correctly assumes that many people will be ignorant of what science actually says about evolution.

Pretty slick, um?

 

[Barbarian]

The last exchange of letters I saw, had Hovind ducking Joe Meert, by adding new conditions.

So let's cut through the nonsense, and do it this way:

I will debate Hovind on the theory of evolution right here, at his convenience. Just give me a week's notice to get some time free.

The debate will be over the theory of evolution as it is taught in colleges and understood by scientists.

I won't even take his money. I'll do it for free.

Now he has no excuse. I would suggest that anyone who really believes Hovind will do something as crazy as debate evolution on an open forum where he can't shout his opponent down, email him and ask him to appear.

He won't show. Once, someone actually got his committement to meet me (or so they said) but he failed to show at the appointed time.

Let me know what he says.

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

I think he's probably too busy in tax court, something about dino land being funny business accounting.

 

[Seek_Truth]

Justice...even if evolutionists could not answer all those questions you've so carefully laid out for us, that would not prove that evolution is false. if you think it does, then you are holding evolutionists to a higher intellectual standard than creationists. In your view, creationists are correct until proven wrong, but evolutionists are wrong until they can prove their theory beyond a shadow of a doubt. when searching for truth, you need to produce evidence. evolution is one of the most well supported theories ever developed. may i ask you to present some evidence that the bible is the supreme source for truth? why that would be just lovely.

 

[huj05]

well, if your so smart, than i will give u 1 dollar (us) if u can answer where god came from.

and if u say that he existed forever, then there is no reason i can't say that life has existed forever, and tha tperfect matter existed forever ect ect..

also.
god is mighty
god is great
so why in heck did it take him BILLIONS of years to make humans? honestly, if god knows all, then shouldnt he have made something more perfect than humans? somewhere more resourceful and less harsh? and shouldnt he have done it when he created the universe? notbillions of years later?

 

[reznwerks]

questions

Can we finally agree to stop asking questions of those who accept evolution. It implies that evolutionists know every answer to every question. SURPRISE ! We don't and never claimed too. The fact that not every answer is known does not mean God must have done it or is keeping the answer hidden. It may take awhile to find out some things and we may never know every answer. It's OK. Evolutionists have far more real evidence than defaulting the answer to things unseen and unproven.

 

[Seek_Truth]

i agree rez. well said.

 

[Adams son]

I found these questions By Dr. Kent Hovind. I could not find a link for the listed questions. The source is --- The Evidence Bible By Ray Comfort:

!. Where did the space for the universe come from?

Where did God come from?

Where did the space come from for God to exist in before He created the universe?

Where did God get his powers?

This is a really fun game hehe

Where did God get his goodness?

Where did God get the idea to create the universe?

Where did God get the ability to reason?

Where did the devil get his evil if everything God created was good?

I hope I get some answers to these questions or I might have to reject the notion of an existent God creating a universe apart from him.'

After all, that is what you are expecting the "evolutionists" to do right?

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

How about Dr Vorlon's questions to creationists:
If God is all powerful and all knowing how can he be all good if he created all evil?
If God is all knowing then how can he be all powerful? Since he knows everything that will ever happen by any action he takes and he cannot do anything to change that.
How can we have free will if God's will has already determined what set of circumstances will arise throughout history and knows before hand how we will react?

How did God come into being?
How did God create the set of probabilities and causal links that we call the laws of the universe?
How did God begin the universe?(by which I mean through what processes not "please quote the bible to me like sheep.")
How does God, a being that you posit is beyond time and space, have any affect on time and space?
Explain: Why, by the laws and theories we've created to explain the universe, purportedly set up by God, we can show the universe to be ~13.7 billion years old?
Why archeological and paleontological evidence points towards evolution not direct creation?
Why genetic evidence points very directly at evolution?
Why there are so many "false" religions around the world with similar codes of morality to abrahamic ones?
Why so many false religions exist at all?(given the fact that, if God were real, then independent groups of shamen around the world would reach the same conclusion[that yahweh exists])
How the Noah's Ark incident happened without destroying the planet?(that amount of rain over that amount of time= energy release -> 600 MT---> planet boiled)
How the genetic diversity we see today could come from a single family of people, AFTER it had only come from 2 people?

If god was responsible for any of the past phenomena, please explain how and by what processes he did them.

 

[Highlander]

I love this and I will be watching this thread to see how the creationists do; however they do seem to have lost their most logical refuter, blueyliner, but I'm sure they'll struggle onward.

 

[Justice]

You guys are cute but you proved my point. For the TRUE evolutionist the word THEORY does NOT fit into their vocabulary. That's requires a strong faith.

After reading some of the responses I can see how a few could consider themselves linked to an ape like ancestor. After all, apes like beating their chest too : jk.

As far as God see if you can understand this By Ray Comfort: ---

To one who examines the evidence, there can be no doubt that God exists. Every building has a builder. Everything made has a maker. The fact of the existence of the Creator is axiomatic (self-evident). That's why the Bible says ---

Psalm 14: 1The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

The professing atheist denies the common sense given by God, and defends his belief by thinking that the question "Who made God" or "Where did God come from?" can't be answered. This, he thinks gives him the license to deny the existence of God.

The answer of who made God can be answered by simply looking at space and asking, "Does space have an end?" Obviously , it doesn't. If there is a stone wall with "The End" written on it, the question arises, "What is behind the stone wall?" Strain the mind though it may, we have to believe (have faith) that space has no beginning and no end. The same applies with God. He has no beginning and no end. He is eternal.

The Bible also informs us that time is a dimension that God created, into which man was subjected. It even tells us that one day time will no longer exist. That will be called "eternity." God himself dwells outside of the dimension he created ---

2 Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

He dwells in eternity and is not subject to time. God spoke history before it came into being. He can move through time as a man flips through a history book. Because we live in the dimension of time, logic, and reason demands that everything must have a beginning and an end. We can understand the concept of God's eternal nature the same way we understand the concept of space having no beginning and end --- by faith. We simply have to believe they are so, even though such thoughts put a strain on our distinctly insufficient cerebrum.
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More --- If we are is in total control of our future, we should at least be in control of our own body. Instead, we are subject to involuntary yawning, sneezing, breathing, swallowing, sleeping, salivating, dreaming, blinking, and thinking. We can't even control hair and nail growth. We automatically do these things, irrespective of our will. God has set our bodies in motion and there is little we can do about it. We also have minimal control over daily bodily functions. Our kidneys, bladder, intestines, heart, liver, lungs, etc,,, work independently of our will. It is ludicrous to say that we control our own future when we have trouble predicting the stock market, political outcomes, earthquakes, and even the weather, let alone having control over these things.

Justice

 

[Asimov]

You guys are cute but you proved my point. For the TRUE evolutionist the word THEORY does NOT fit into their vocabulary. That's requires a strong faith.

What?? Where have we not acknowledged that it's not a theory? Hmmm?? We seem to be saying that you jokers twist the word theory to mean something it doesn't.

Strong faith? Evolution requires no faith, science has nothing to do with faith.

After reading some of the responses I can see how a few could consider themselves linked to an ape like ancestor. After all, apes like beating their chest too : jk.

haha, don't forget the intelligence level of some chimpanzees far surpass many posters!

To one who examines the evidence, there can be no doubt that God exists. Every building has a builder. Everything made has a maker. The fact of the existence of the Creator is axiomatic (self-evident). That's why the Bible says ---

Oh....Ray Comfort!! You quote the highest echelon of scientific and philosophical thought, of course I shall agree with you!

Everything that's made has a maker? Every building has a builder? That's a little self explanatory, considering that in order to be a maker, one must make something.

But I don't quite see your point....

so if you could possibly explain.

Psalm 14: 1The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Of course you'll quote for your little book. You know what MY book says?

"The retard hath said there is a God."

Obviously this is self-evident, considering some of the silly stuff those wacky God-believers say. Let's quote some more stuff that has no relevance!

The professing atheist denies the common sense given by God, and defends his belief by thinking that the question "Who made God" or "Where did God come from?" can't be answered. This, he thinks gives him the license to deny the existence of God.

You're so in the ether, man. Totally in tune with atheistic thinking and justification for the lack of God. Of course....haha, you totally miss the point that this is actually a discussion about EVOLUTION, and not ATHEISM.

You need to get back on track and discuss the point of the thread.

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[huj05]

Every building has a builder. Everything made has a maker

so please tell me WHO MADE GOD!!

I dont have faith, because no one knows who made god. NO ONE!
i know how cells were built, scientists know how planets and stars are built.

the bible says that god did it, science says otherwise
science has experiments which can be repeated
or it has observations wich can be repeated

religion has heresay, a book that has been re-edited tons of times, and the end answer is always "you cant understand because you dont have faith"

well ill tell you this. Science made my computer, science protected me from smallpox. I have yet to see god do anything for me, that cant be explained by science.