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[_ Old Earth _] Questions For Evolutionists

Well, I can see that you have no interest in learning, science, or anything we have to say, so why are you even posting? Do you think you're reaching anybody here? Witnessing?

I can only hope and pray that I can .

Once again, you admit that you are simple minded, so how can you claim that the Earth is exactly where it needs to be, and the sun is exactly the right size? How do you know any of these things?

Because if they were not we would not be here.

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Animals don't evovole into another , then how did ape turn into man ? How did sea animals turn into land animals ?


You're problem is that you don't understand evolution...AT ALL. The above quote shows that quite well.

keebs I did not say animals don't evovole into another , asimov did in his post on tues feb 15, 2005

Animals don't evovle into another.

My questions to you on this matter:

1)Explain to me in one paragraph what macro evolution is.

2)Explain to me in one paragraph what the Theory of Evolution states.

3)Explain to me in one sentence what the definition of evolution is.

1) fictional , besides you did such a good job explaining it in your other posts.
2) hog wash
3) a theory based on fictional facts like lucy
good enough for you asimov simple mind simple answer

Here is one for you asimov . How did evolution get all the radom chances that you say occured right . Evolution has to be prefect in those chances to work does it not ?
 
judeslice said:
Because if they were not we would not be here.

You don't know that.

then how did ape turn into man ? How did sea animals turn into land animals ?

Men are apes. Sea animals didn't "turn" into land animals. It's a slow ongoing process, taking millions of years.

1) fictional , besides you did such a good job explaining it in your other posts.
2) hog wash
3) a theory based on fictional facts like lucy
good enough for you asimov simple mind simple answer

No, you are just avoiding the questions so you don't have to answer them. Your answers provided me with evidence enough that you aren't interested in learning.

How did evolution get all the radom chances that you say occured right . Evolution has to be prefect in those chances to work does it not ?

Evolution doesn't work on random chance.
 
You don't know that.

asimov even what I'm going to post is not mine and I did not write it , that does not mean it is not true.

Our Created Earth: Uniquely Designed for Life

by David V. Bassett, M.S., CEM Staff Writer

"Speak to the Earth, and it shall teach thee;...Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this?" Job 12:8a, 9

Of all the lessons which the Earth continually teaches us, perhaps the most obvious and profound is that it alone among the worlds framed by the Word of God (Heb. 11:3) is divinely crafted, sculpted, and engineered to sustain life. In fact the more we learn about our solar system and the universe, the more unique our Earth becomes. As home to over one million different species of life, each with its own special criteria for survival, the Earth repeatedly reinforces the fact that God orchestrated each detail necessary for terrestrial existence.

"For thus saith the LORD Who created the heavens, God Himself Who formed the Earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited; I am the LORD, and there is none else." Isaiah 45: 18

The Creator's matchless formula for life on Earth involves a multitude of planetary parameters working together in a specific and delicate balance. So precise is this prescription, a mere absence or slight alteration in any one of the countless interrelated factors and mutually-dependent variables upon which life hinges could prove cataclysmic. Consider these more noticeable requirements upon which all life on our world depends:

(1) Abundance of Liquid Water --- This flowing treasure is unique in the combination of physical and chemical properties it manifests as the only possible solvent and medium for living cells. More than 70% of the planet is covered by some 326 million cubic miles of liquid water, enough to submerge a perfectly smooth and spherical Earth to a depth of 8,500 feet (over 1.6 miles!!). [Gen. 1:2, 10b / Job 38:34 / Ps. 33:7 / Rev.14:7b; see also Gen. 7:10 & Ps. 104:6]

(2) Cleansing Ocean Tides --- The ebb and flow of Earth's tidal circulation (in response to the lunar gravitational pull) purifies the world ocean and the continental shorelines which serve to enclose its waters. [Prov. 8:29a / Job 26:10; 38:11 / Ps. 104:9]

(3) Ideal Planetary Size and Mass --- With an equatorial diameter of 7,927 miles (Job 38:18 / Isa. 40:22a) and a mass equal to nearly 6.588 sextillion (10 ^ 23 = billion trillion) tons, the Earth is able to provide the perfect gravitational attraction and optimum atmospheric pressure for living organisms. [Job 28:25 / !sa. 40:12]

(4) Life-Sustaining Atmosphere --- It has been said of the Earth that "the existence of its inhabitants hangs upon a thin and delicate sheath of gas that envelops the planet like the skin of an apple." Though over 99% of our atmosphere (composed of 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, and 1% other gases) lies below 50 miles in altitude, it still is able to (a) provide the necessary oxygen crucial for animal and human respiration, (b) preserve acceptable temperature ranges while avoiding life-threatening extremes of heat and cold, and (c) protect from incoming extraterrestrial debris and (UV) solar radiation. [Gen. 1:20b / Job 37:18 / Ps. 104:3,13]

(5) Protective Magnetic Field --- Supplemented by the Van Allen radiation belts, the ionosphere, and the ozone layer as interior shields of defense, the Earth's magnetic field not only protects us from cosmic bombardment of harmful particles and high-frequency waves, it is also responsible for facilitating cellular communication and directional location. [Prov. 8:27; cp. Ps.5:12]

(6) Proper Orbital Shape --- With a circumference of almost 600 million miles, the Earth's orbit around the Sun is nearly circular in order to minimize extreme temperature variations. [Ps. 19:4b-6]

(7) Perfect Orbital Radius --- Earth's 93 million-mile-average distance from the Sun (typically referred to as one astronomical unit or 1 A.U.) allows our planet to have an ideal surface temperature of 58 degrees Fahrenheit and an average ocean-water temperature of 45 degrees Fahrenheit. In fact, in terms of insolation (i.e., incoming solar radiation), this orbital radius positions our world at the optimum location for life in the entire solar system. [Gen. 1:14-18 / Ps.74:16]

(8) Orbital Speed and Duration --- With an orbital period of exactly 365.256 days, which the Earth can accomplish by racing through space at an incredible 66,600 mph (over 18 miles/sec !!), our planet's seasonal length is conducive for agriculture. [Gen. 1:14]

(9) Angle of Rotational Axis --- Also playing a role in Earth's favorable pattern of climate, the 23.5 degree tilt on its planetary axis permits the four annual seasons and, in the northern hemisphere, increases the amount of suitable land area and fertile soil needed for summer cultivation of crops. [Gen.8:22 / Ps. 74:17]

(10) Rate of Planetary Rotation --- Earth's sidereal day of 23 hours, 56 minutes, 4.09 seconds allows for proper, uniform heating and cooling of its spinning surface (Job 38:14 / Gen. 8:22), as well as the re-circulation of its atmospheric winds and ocean currents in the global hydrologic cycle. [Eccl. 1:5-7 / Ps. 135:7 / Isa. 55:10]

The tolerances for life are extremely narrow, and if there are any other planets in the universe, it is very unlikely that any of them could have life, due to the extremely rigid conditions necessary for life to exist. The mathematical odds that all of these and other essential conditions happened by random chance are indeed astronomical -- in fact, beyond all probability. The ideal combination of prerequisites and requirements crucial to life observed only on Earth surely testifies to intelligent, purposeful design. "The LORD by wisdom hath founded the Earth; by understanding hath He established the heavens." --- Prov. 3:19

To believe that this beautifully balanced life-support system is a mere accident requires invincible faith in the power of blind chance. Would not any honest observer have to admit that the Earth alone appears to have been designed for us to live on, just as the psalmist said?:

"The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's: but the Earth hath He given to the children of men." ---Ps. 115:16


[ Coal:Evidence/Young Earth | Evidence for Creation | Magnetic Field | Created Earth | Macroevolution | Mammoths | Carbon Dating | Evidence for Creation-2 | Scientific Allusions in Scripture ]
 
No, you are just avoiding the questions so you don't have to answer them. Your answers provided me with evidence enough that you aren't interested in learning.

I'm really only interested in my relationship with God , and I believe in him . In believing in him I must believe in the Word Of God . I can not believe in a theory that goes against the word of God . A theory that is made up by man who wants to disprove God . If this theory is true then death did not start when adam and eve sinned , but when life began . This is contary to what the Bible teachs , and I can never believe the Bible is not true . But it is very easy for me to disbelieve men who like me are sinners .
 
The problem is, it only goes against your interpretation of the word of God...so that's not an argument, just an avoidance of facts so you can sit in your comfortable little worldview.
 
You're a lost cause Asimov....back up and read your own words.....how is he avoiding the facts....when he's (or she) layed out 10 facts and then backed them with scripture...not the other way around. Geez, just read....this planet in itself is so wonderfully complex that it had to be created by someONE who knows everything and can see all.
 
Pale^Rider** said:
You're a lost cause Asimov....back up and read your own words.....how is he avoiding the facts....when he's (or she) layed out 10 facts and then backed them with scripture...not the other way around. Geez, just read....this planet in itself is so wonderfully complex that it had to be created by someONE who knows everything and can see all.

He's not avoiding the facts, he's misinterpreting the facts. None of this is new. He didn't come up with it himself, and neither did you with anything you've said.

His teleological argument assumes that the earth was created for humans, it assumes that life is the goal of the universe, and it assumes that because of this, God must exist.

It rests upon false premises.
 
Furthermore, jude's lice is using the argument of puddle determinism: a puddle thinks about how it's in a bowl shaped basin just after a rainstorm where the temperature is at a level at which it won't evaporate and decides that these "perfect" conditions prove that some deity wished that it could come into existence.
Life wouldn't have formed on earth if it hadn't been for the abudance of volatiles and other conditions etc. but the fact that those conditions are present does not give evidence of beneficent supernatural activity, it simply means that if we hadn't had these conditions, then no life. It's perfectly reasonable to believe that around some other planet, where similar conditons arise life might also form. The conditions don't necessarily have to be that similar. Life may well be under Europa's oceans and icy crust. Does this mean that the distance from Jupiter and strength of Jove's magnetic fields PROVES that some deity provided these 'perfect' conditions so that it was possible for life to form on Europa?

Also there are several problems with the actual "proofs" you're providing:
2: That's not why the tides are important at all, the moon's affect on Earth is more important for balancing the Earth and shielding it from collisions than anything else.
3: This is assuming, sans evidence, that life cannot form under different circumstances.
4: See 3.
7: Our orbit could be as close as Venus or as far as Mars and still be correct temperature wise, as long as a few other things were changed at the same time. This is hardly a perfect number. If the sun were cooler in general Venus might have been where life formed.
8: This is just silly, if the earth were moving any faster or slower it would be at a higher or lower orbit and this hardly makes agriculture better or worse.
10: A slower or faster rotation rate would not seriously harm ecosystems and it wouldn't have inhibited the formation of life on earth.
 
Pale^Rider** said:
just an avoidance of facts

[quote:bbd84]He's not avoiding the facts, he's misinterpreting the facts.

Now, what?? You remind me alot of John Kerry.....[/quote:bbd84]
Looks like someone's still bitter about anyone challenging his god emperor. :roll:
 
He's not avoiding the facts, he's misinterpreting the facts. None of this is new. He didn't come up with it himself, and neither did you with anything you've said

So Asimov what part of the evolutionary theory did you write .

His teleological argument assumes that the earth was created for humans, it assumes that life is the goal of the universe, and it assumes that because of this, God must exist.

Asimov you assume , I believe . It was created for life , Human life , and everything esle for us . We were created to Glorify God . I know God exists because he lives in me . You know God exist because he has written the word in your heart , but you chose not to believe .

It rests upon false premises.

what does ? are you talking about evolution ?
 
Here is a question for you guys how could life evolve in the past with oxygen in the atmosphere ?
 
judeslice said:
Here is a question for you guys how could life evolve in the past with oxygen in the atmosphere ?
How does the presense of oxygen make the evolution of life improbable? Your question doesn't make any sense.
 
Here is a question for you guys how could life evolve in the past with oxygen in the atmosphere ?

Because when life first evolved the atmosphere was reducing...
 
keebs said:
Here is a question for you guys how could life evolve in the past with oxygen in the atmosphere ?

Because when life first evolved the atmosphere was reducing...
...
I KNOW this is a chem joke but I really can't fathom it.
 
We know that the early atmosphere of the earth was reducing. We know this from the early iron deposits, which are reduced. That could not have happened in an atmosphere with much oxygen.

Later, we see bacterial cells in bands with oxidized iron, alternating with bands of reduced iron, as though the bacteria were growing in such a way as to poison themselves with the oxygen they generated, after which they would slowly recover as the oxygen was tied up chemically.

The earliest microbes were anaerobic, and only later evolved to use highly toxic oxygen in their metabolism.

The most primitive cells we see today are poisoned by it.
 
How does the presense of oxygen make the evolution of life improbable? Your question doesn't make any sense.

If oxygen is present, there would be no amino acids, sugars, purines, etc. Amino acids and sugars react with oxygen to form carbon dioxide (CO2) and water. Life could not have evolve with oxygen in the atmosphere .

Because when life first evolved the atmosphere was reducing...

The reducing theories say that there was no oxygen present just carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), carbon monoxide (CO), ammonia (NH3), free hydrogen and water vapor. Newer schemes exclude ammonia and methane. Now this has one big problem if no oxygen present then there would be no ozone layer . The ozone layer (O3) protects us against ultraviolet rays . Life could not survive if it was not present .
 
The reducing theories say that there was no oxygen present just carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), carbon monoxide (CO), ammonia (NH3), free hydrogen and water vapor.

No.

Newer schemes exclude ammonia and methane. Now this has one big problem if no oxygen present then there would be no ozone layer . The ozone layer (O3) protects us against ultraviolet rays . Life could not survive if it was not present .

Either that, or it formed in water, which would have shielded early living things from UV.

Since there seems to be no way that it formed out of water, that's not a problem.
 
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