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[_ Old Earth _] Questions For Evolutionists

Asimov said:
Heidi said:
It doesn't appear the evolution answer much, does it?

What did you think it was supposed to answer? The question to life, the universe, and everything?

The only thing it does is to attempt to prove that man is nothing more than a mutation or accident.

False statement. Evolution doesn't discount God.

[quote:44423] It also shows disrespect for God, His creation and that our ansestors are no better than apes.

The only thing evolution was CREATED to answer is that there is no God and we humans came from something we can see. Is that not true? Otherwise, why NOT believe that God created us? I find it very convenient that apes were supposed to have evolved into me long before recorded history. It is interesting that no such thing has ever been recorded. That of crouse, was the intention of the theory of evolution to perpetuate the illusion that it can never be disproven. Well sorry, reality shows us what apes breed. but the imagination can conjure up anything!

No it doesn't, how is it disrespect to state that we are animals who happen to have a higher intelligence level than them? Knowing that, or you being that doesn't make you any less human, or any less intelligent.
That is what evolutionists fight so hard to prove.

What a load. Evolution does not equal atheism.

I'm sorry you have such little value for your gifts and abilities.

I'm sorry you have such contempt and arrogance for other life that you would think it an insult to be related to them.

Maybe you should visit your ancestors in the zoo to find your roots. But all you'll see is that they've gone back to exchanging their alleged human offspring now for other apes. I guess they just got tired of breeding higher forms of life.

Ok...let me clarify this for you, considering you seem to have busted a circuit in your head.

definition of an ape:

Any of various large, tailless Old World primates of the family Pongidae, including the chimpanzee, gorilla, gibbon, and orangutan.

(this is from dictionary.com, so if anyone has a better definition, then supply it please).

Humans are apes. The term "ape" is not a scientific classification of animals, it's merely a generalization of a number of species of animal within a given sub-family.

Humans are primates, we share certain characteristics and genetic qualities within the order primates that classify us in this way.

Humans are mammals, we share certain characteristics and genetic qualities within the class that classify us in this way.

Humans are chordates. We share certain characteristics and genetic qualities within the class that classify us in this way.

Humans are animals. We share certain characteristics and genetic qualities within the kingdom that classify us in this way.

Humans share a common ancestor with all primates, who in turn share a common ancestor with all mammals, who in turn share a common ancestor with all chordates, who in turn share a common ancestor with all animals, which in turn shares a common ancestor with all life.

Nowhere does it say God does not exist.

Nowhere does it say humans are not special.

Nowhere does it say that humans could not have been a special creation.
[/quote:44423]
 
Heidi said:
Chupacabra said:
Heidi, I feel exactly the opposite way. You see, science changes when evidence changes. It's flexible. This flexibility allows it to stay up to date and to replace obsolete ideas. Religion, on the other hand, is more slow in its adaptations and typically ebarrasses itself periodically when the ridiculousness of many of its claims is exposed. Perhaps we may look back on certain scientists as being quaint, but because science is an ongoing process and does not purport infallibility, it is ridged religions like Christianity that are seen as incorrect as time progresses.

So what you're saying is that today's correct theories replace yesterday's incorrect theories. Is that right? So which science do you believe? Today's science or tomorrow's science that corrects today's science?

Heidi:

I could similarly ask you which theology do you believe? Do you believe "yesterday's" theology of the OT? Do you follow those rules and regulations has handed down by God and Moses?

Or do you follow "Today's" theology, one dictated by Jesus and Paul?

What about tomorrow's theology?

Science is, at it's essence, and interpretation of evidence, facts and observations.

As technology improves, the amount of data and observations improve in quality and quantity. This improvement causes a readjustment of previously held theories. Without Galileo's telescope, how would one know there were other moons in the solar system?

Even if Newton, for example, had posited that the time and space are relative to velocity, he never could have performed experiments to verify it.

In fact, it took years after Einstein even came up with the idea before an experiment was conducted to verify it was correct (a solar eclipse). Science bowed to the new evidence, and reconfigured it's theories. In fact, one reason why Einstein never won the Nobel for relativity is that it took years and years to verify it was correct. Technology had to get to a point where it could perform the tests.

Right now we are about to launch a satellite that will attempt to prove one aspect of Einstein's theories.

It took us 90 years to have the technologicial capability to even perform the test.

Yes, science refines and improves itself from time to time. If you want to call this change, then you can. But that is an oversimplification and simple "spin".
 
Heidi said:
The only thing evolution was CREATED to answer is that there is no God and we humans came from something we can see. Is that not true?

No, it's not true. I think I've told you many times, and many other people have told you many times.

Otherwise, why NOT believe that God created us?

My lack of belief in God is not hinged on evolution, heidi.

I find it very convenient that apes were supposed to have evolved into me long before recorded history.

apes didn't evolve into you....hello? Did you read anything I wrote?

It is interesting that no such thing has ever been recorded.

It has, in the fossil record.

That of crouse, was the intention of the theory of evolution to perpetuate the illusion that it can never be disproven. Well sorry, reality shows us what apes breed. but the imagination can conjure up anything!

Well, sorry, but you seem to have a learning disability. I'm sorry to hear that, and I hope it can be fixed.
 
Hello , I'am a very simple man with a very simple mind . ThinkerMan to me The Ot and the NT are one in the same . Jesus was in both ( hidden ) in the OT , and (revealed ) in the NT . People in the OT get into heaven the same way as in the NT , through their FAITH ! You said " science is , at it's essence , and interpretation of evidence , facts , and observations . " What evidence ? we have a fossil record that shows what ? Where are all the links that should exist , but don't , between all the animals in the fossil record ? Where are those animals fossil's at ? Facts ; what facts support evolution ? If evolution was factual , then why is it called a theory ? Where is evolutions great link ( Lucy) at ? What has she oops I should say HE been up to ? Who observed any animal evolving into another ? To me all things were created precfect , and if the animals today could not function as they do today, then they could not have existed . Nature does not tolerate weakness . Then could someone tell me why there is only one species Humans that has free will , and does not live on instincts like ALL other animals do ? I think it takes more faith to believe in evolution then it does to believe in God .
 
. Then could someone tell me why there is only one species Humans that has free will , and does not live on instincts like ALL other animals do ?

Who says humans have free will? I certainly don't see any reason to assume that...Oh, and a side note, animals do not live on instincts alone.
 
judeslice said:
Hello , I'am a very simple man with a very simple mind . ThinkerMan to me The Ot and the NT are one in the same . Jesus was in both ( hidden ) in the OT , and (revealed ) in the NT . People in the OT get into heaven the same way as in the NT , through their FAITH !

I thought it was through accepting the gift of Jesus.

What evidence ? we have a fossil record that shows what ? Where are all the links that should exist , but don't , between all the animals in the fossil record ? Where are those animals fossil's at ? Facts ; what facts support evolution ? If evolution was factual , then why is it called a theory ? Where is evolutions great link ( Lucy) at ? What has she oops I should say HE been up to ? Who observed any animal evolving into another ? To me all things were created precfect , and if the animals today could not function as they do today, then they could not have existed . Nature does not tolerate weakness .

The thing with the missing link is a creationist misnomer. There are gaps in the fossil record, sure, but no missing links. We know that humans are primates, because of our genetic material, and becuase of our morphological structure. We have fossils of species that precede humans, and are most likely our ancestors. Animals don't evovle into another. Populations evolve, not individuals. Evolution refers to population groups changing over time. Over a small period of time, there will be smaller changes, over a greater period of time, there will be greater changes.

What you are telling me is that you don't believe a person can walk from california to new york in a day. Of course they can't, because walking is small steps. In order to walk from california to new york, you need to take many steps over a greater period of time. This is essentially what evolution is saying, small changes over time.

Evolution is a fact, we observe small changes in gene frequencies over time.

Evolutionary theory expands on that and uses it to explain the variation of species, and the origin of species from one common ancestor population.



Then could someone tell me why there is only one species Humans that has free will , and does not live on instincts like ALL other animals do ?

We live on instinct, learned behaviour, and adhere to logic as much as the next oranism. We just think we don't. As for free will, that really depends on what you mean by that.

I think it takes more faith to believe in evolution then it does to believe in God .

No, it just takes more intelligence.
 
judeslice:

Hello , I'am a very simple man with a very simple mind . ThinkerMan to me The Ot and the NT are one in the same . Jesus was in both ( hidden ) in the OT , and (revealed ) in the NT . People in the OT get into heaven the same way as in the NT , through their FAITH !

You are playing semantics and using irrelevant generalizations.

What I was implying was a simple analogy, not an indictment of either OT or NT beliefs.

However, there is little question that the theology of the OT is fundamentally different than that of the NT. Whether revealed or not, hidden or not, your theology is fundamentaly different that Jews 2500 years ago. No triune god, continued sacrafices, etc.

Regardless of the reason, you cannot argue that the two are not different. Otherwise, the theological and ceremonial differences between Christians and Jews would be minute.

You said " science is , at it's essence , and interpretation of evidence , facts , and observations . " What evidence ? we have a fossil record that shows what ? Where are all the links that should exist , but don't , between all the animals in the fossil record ? Where are those animals fossil's at ? Facts ; what facts support evolution ? If evolution was factual , then why is it called a theory ? Where is evolutions great link ( Lucy) at ? What has she oops I should say HE been up to ? Who observed any animal evolving into another ?

Judeslice, let's say I took you out to my backyard. I let you stare at an acorn for five minutes. Just five minutes.

Then I took you inside and said that acorn would turn into a massive tree weighing tons. If you didn't know about trees and seeds, you would think I was crazy. You would ask for evidence. I could show you an oak tree, and a seedling, and maybe some fossils. But I can't show you the tree growing from seed to tree. Impossible.

If you want to see large scale evolution in action, live a million years. Otherwise, you are asking for the impossible.

Since we live only a very short time in comparison to the evolutionary scale, we simply cannot witness large scale evolution (what you might call microevolution) easily.

me all things were created precfect , and if the animals today could not function as they do today, then they could not have existed

Not so...quite a few animals have been domesticated over the last few thousand years.

Cattle, dogs, cats. Most are incapable of living in the wild today. Are you saying that "they could not have existed".

Then could someone tell me why there is only one species Humans that has free will , and does not live on instincts like ALL other animals do ?

As keebs said, I'm not sure how you know objectively that some animals dont' have "free will".

If animals can only live via instincts, why train a dog?

I think it takes more faith to believe in evolution then it does to believe in God .

Another tired generalization after a litany of non sequiters no challenge of generally accepted scientific evidence.

If there is any specific piece of evolutionary "proof" you would like to discuss, I'm sure the others here would love to do so.
 
Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood : and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls : for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul . Their is no reason to live under the law because the messiah fulfilled the law . He was the sacrifice for our sins . The people of the old get into heaven the same way as the people of the new do . I still don't understand how that their is not one single link between human and ape not one. But you are telling me that evolution is a slow process , but their is not one fossil that links man to ape not one . There are tons of animals on this earth but where are the links in the fossil record between them where are they ? Their are a lot of cats , dogs and cattle (free range) that are living in the wild . Animals do live on instants , lets take the bee , if they had free will like we do then they themselves as individual bees could say ; you know I don't feel like working today I think that I'am going to go on vacation . Animals don't evovole into another , then how did ape turn into man ? How did sea animals turn into land animals ? FACTS , then why is evolution still called a theory ? It takes more intelligence to believe a lie then the truth ? The truth is Yeshua the messiah ( Jesus Christ) . John 1:1-5 In the beginning was the Word , and the Word was with God, and the Word was God . He was with God in the beginning. All things came to be through him , and without him nothing made had being . In him was life , and the life was the light of mankind . The light shines in the darkness , and the darkness has not suppressed it . I believe what the Bible has to say on this subject in Genesis . I don't understand how we are so willing to call our creator ,God , a liar . We were created in the image of God .
 
But you are telling me that evolution is a slow process , but their is not one fossil that links man to ape not one . There are tons of animals on this earth but where are the links in the fossil record between them where are they

There are plenty of links in the fossil records...a quick google will tell you everything.

Animals do live on instants , lets take the bee , if they had free will like we do then they themselves as individual bees could say ; you know I don't feel like working today I think that I'am going to go on vacation .

First of all, the bee is going to decide anything like that because:

1) it doesn't have a brain suitable for it

2) it's more beneficial for the bee community if they all work like that. Bees don't have a normal fitness, but a fitness inclusive of their whole society.

And besides, you're still assuming free will exists. Until you can prove it don't assume so.

Animals don't evovole into another , then how did ape turn into man ? How did sea animals turn into land animals ?

You're problem is that you don't understand evolution...AT ALL. The above quote shows that quite well.

FACTS , then why is evolution still called a theory ?

A scientific theory is something that we know to be true to the best of our knowledge. And besides, evolution is a fact. Certainly you're not going to tell me that atoms don't exist because they are described in atomic theory.

I don't understand how we are so willing to call our creator ,God , a liar .

I certainly don't think he's a liar. How could he be? I mean, he doesn't actually exist...
 
judeslice said:
I still don't understand how that their is not one single link between human and ape not one.

Man, do you people even read the posts? Honestly. Go up a few posts...

Ok...let me clarify this for you, considering you seem to have busted a circuit in your head.

definition of an ape:

Any of various large, tailless Old World primates of the family Pongidae, including the chimpanzee, gorilla, gibbon, and orangutan.

(this is from dictionary.com, so if anyone has a better definition, then supply it please).

Humans are apes. The term "ape" is not a scientific classification of animals, it's merely a generalization of a number of species of animal within a given sub-family.

Humans are primates, we share certain characteristics and genetic qualities within the order primates that classify us in this way.

Humans are mammals, we share certain characteristics and genetic qualities within the class that classify us in this way.

Humans are chordates. We share certain characteristics and genetic qualities within the class that classify us in this way.

Humans are animals. We share certain characteristics and genetic qualities within the kingdom that classify us in this way.

Humans share a common ancestor with all primates, who in turn share a common ancestor with all mammals, who in turn share a common ancestor with all chordates, who in turn share a common ancestor with all animals, which in turn shares a common ancestor with all life.



But you are telling me that evolution is a slow process , but their is not one fossil that links man to ape not one.

Ok, now that we have this cleared up, you should know that humans are apes.

There are tons of animals on this earth but where are the links in the fossil record between them where are they?

http://talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/sec ... ermediates

Here are some intermediates for you. Genetics plays a more important part in discerning links between humans.

Their are a lot of cats , dogs and cattle (free range) that are living in the wild. Animals do live on instants , lets take the bee , if they had free will like we do then they themselves as individual bees could say ; you know I don't feel like working today I think that I'am going to go on vacation.

What if they don't like taking vacations, what if they're whole idea of fun is work. Maybe the entire colony realises that if they were to take vacations they wouldn't survive. Bees get to travel everywhere. Unless you know the inner mind of a bee, you can't say that they don't have free will, and choose to do a certain task. Who really cares. This has nothing to do with evolution

Animals don't evovole into another , then how did ape turn into man?

That would disprove evolution. Apes did not turn into men. Men are apes.

How did sea animals turn into land animals?

slowly and over time.

FACTS , then why is evolution still called a theory?

Because that's what it is.

It takes more intelligence to believe a lie then the truth?

Well, considering that evolution is not a lie, and you have no idea what you're talking about, I would say you are no real authority on truth.

I believe what the Bible has to say on this subject in Genesis . I don't understand how we are so willing to call our creator ,God , a liar . We were created in the image of God .

Nobody is calling your creator, God, a liar. I'm calling you scientifically ignorant.
 
I am glad to be scientifically ignorant . I told you I have a simple mind . Yes I ' am not a authority on the truth , but God is . He's the one you and I , and everyone else will in the end have to answer to . When you say that we came from apes then you are saying that what he says in the Bible is wrong . Then if what he says in the Bible is wrong then he is lying to us , and we all know that that is not possible . I'am not ignorant when it comes to God and I do believe what he says and did for us as sinners when Yeshua the Messiah died for me, you , and everyone else for our sins . Keebs If there is no God then there is no sin . If there is no sin then there is no evil . Then if there is no evil then there is nothing wrong with doing things like stealing , killing , lying , etc... Please explain if there is no God then how do you have a conscious ? Please then tell me how you came to receive that conscious ? again tell me where are the links between man and apes in the fossil record ? They have to be there if is true . You just can't sit there and say that there are gaps in it . There had to be millions of the apemans running around where are they ? Also please explain to me how the earth is exactly were it needs to be , and the sun is exactly the right size to support life ? How can you say free will has nothing to do with evolution we have don't we ? What facts support evolution?
 
judeslice said:
I am glad to be scientifically ignorant.

Then don't make claims about science that you admit you know nothing about.

Yes I ' am not a authority on the truth , but God is.

Well, we're not discussing with God, are we? So until he comes onto this board, the only people who we are discussing with are people who THINK that God is an authority.
He's the one you and I , and everyone else will in the end have to answer to.

Bully for god.

When you say that we came from apes then you are saying that what he says in the Bible is wrong.

Wow...you're not only scientifically ignorant, you have no reading comprehension either.

Then if what he says in the Bible is wrong then he is lying to us , and we all know that that is not possible.

Rock-hard logic. I couldn't penetrate that with a steel drill.

haha...:roll:

I'am not ignorant when it comes to God and I do believe what he says and did for us as sinners when Yeshua the Messiah died for me, you , and everyone else for our sins.

You said you were simple minded, and that applies to everything you think you know.

Keebs If there is no God then there is no sin . If there is no sin then there is no evil . Then if there is no evil then there is nothing wrong with doing things like stealing , killing , lying , etc...

Hahaha. How old are you?

Please explain if there is no God then how do you have a conscious?

Our brain...

Please then tell me how you came to receive that conscious?

our brain evolved.

again tell me where are the links between man and apes in the fossil record ?

Well, I can see that you have no interest in learning, science, or anything we have to say, so why are you even posting? Do you think you're reaching anybody here? Witnessing?

Also please explain to me how the earth is exactly were it needs to be , and the sun is exactly the right size to support life?

Once again, you admit that you are simple minded, so how can you claim that the Earth is exactly where it needs to be, and the sun is exactly the right size? How do you know any of these things?

How can you say free will has nothing to do with evolution we have don't we ? What facts support evolution?

You are so random you disprove God.
 
SCIENTIFIC PROBLEMS WITH MACROEVOLUTION:

(Karl Popper's definition of the scientific method )

1. OBSERVATION -steps of evolution have never been observed (Stebbins )

In the fossil recordwe view our data as so bad that we never see the very process we profess to study.(Gould )

2. EXPERIMENTATION -The processes would exceed the lifetime of any

human experimenter (Dobzhansky )

3. REPRODUCTION impossible to reproduce in the laboratory. (Dobshansky )

4. FALSIFICATION -cannot be refuted thus outside empirical science. (Ehrlich )



RESEARCH PROBLEMS WITH MACROEVOLUTION:

1. ORIGINS -the chance of life originating from inorganic chemical elements by natural means is beyond the realm of possibility (Hoyle )

2. DEVELOPMENT -to produce a new organism from an existing life-form requires alterations in the genetic material which are lethal to the organism (Maddox )

3. STASIS -enzymes in the cell nucleus repair errors in the DNA (Barton )

4. GEOLOGIC COLUMN -out-of-place artifacts have been found in earth's sedimentary layers which disrupt the supposed evolutionary order (Corliss )

5. DESIGN -irreducible complexity within the structure of the cell requires design (Denton, Behe ).


(DNA REPAIR: The genome is reproduced very faithfully and there are enzymes

which repair the DNA, where errors have been made or when the DNA is

damaged. - D.H.R. Barton, Professor of Chemistry, Texas A&M University,

Nobel Prize for Chemistry )


(CHANGE WITHIN GENETIC BOUNDARIES: Microevolution does not lead beyond the confines of the species, and the typical products of microevolution,

the geographic races, are not incipient species. There is no such category as

incipient species. Richard B. Goldschmidt )


(MUTATION ACCUMULATIONS RELENTLESSLY FATAL: Any random change

in a complex, specific, functioning system wrecks that system. And living things

are the most complex functioning systems in the universe.Science has now

quantitated that a genetic mutation of as little as 1 billionth (0.0000001%) of an

animal's genome is relentlessly fatal.The genetic difference between human and

his nearest relative, the chimpanzee, is at least 1.6% Calculated out that is a

gap of at least 48 million nucleotide differences that must be bridged by random

changes. And a random change of only 3 nucleotides is fatal to an animal.

Geneticist Barney Maddox, 1992 )


[ Coal:Evidence/Young Earth | Evidence for Creation | Magnetic Field | Created Earth | Macroevolution | Mammoths | Carbon Dating | Evidence for Creation-2 | Scientific Allusions in Scripture ]


http://www.creationevidence.org
 
judeslice said:
......blah blah blah blah blah....

Ok, judeslice...finally a coherent post about evolution....unfortunately, you didn't write it.

You listed a bunch of problems with "macro evolution".

My questions to you on this matter:

1)Explain to me in one paragraph what macro evolution is.

2)Explain to me in one paragraph what the Theory of Evolution states.

3)Explain to me in one sentence what the definition of evolution is.

These answers should be in your own words, please be coherent, and I should see nothing other than the answers to those questions.

Everyone else, please do not reply to this, I want judeslice to answer.
 
Keebs If there is no God then there is no sin . If there is no sin then there is no evil . Then if there is no evil then there is nothing wrong with doing things like stealing , killing , lying , etc...

Evil is what society sees it as.

Please explain if there is no God then how do you have a conscious ? Please then tell me how you came to receive that conscious ?

It's just a bunch a chemical reactions and synapses, my dear friend.
 
I thought I was going to find proper, scientifically motivated debate of a rational kind here. Guess what? half-hearted stabs in the dark at each other. I haven't any idea what to reply. Except with my own half-hearted stabs in the dark:

Yes, I acknowledge that many creationists say very, very stupid things. Like where did space come from? If space is a physical entity it must have been created via physical means. Maybe a non-created/spiritual entity started it off, but since it is a physical means, it could have also arisen out of physical processes by random recombination. would've taken a while, but we'd have gotten there eventually.

You see? To the atheist God is impossible. Therefore the alternative, even if improbable, is reality. Their bias their right to be biased.

Who created God? - What sort of a God has to be created?? (That was precisely the Bible's argument against idols.) As logical thinkers we prefer to believe that there is order in this universe, and therefore everything must have a cause, and in order to avoid a paradox we posit the existence of a First Cause, who so nicely happens to be the position of a God we already know. No creation required!

To the Christian no-God is impossible. Therefore alternative beliefs such as that there is no such thing as causality, or that man is the First Cause (typical ontology of modern quantum physics), are impossible. My bias my right to be biased.

And don't tell me bias is bad - you're biased against bias! And if you believe that it is humanly possible to be unbiased you're biased for humanism, and if you believe that you can categorize between biased and unbiased and find one higher and one lower then you're biased towards logic versus intuitionism. XD

so what now? have I beaten everyone? =D
 
shernren said:
I thought I was going to find proper, scientifically motivated debate of a rational kind here. Guess what? half-hearted stabs in the dark at each other. I haven't any idea what to reply. Except with my own half-hearted stabs in the dark:

Yes, I acknowledge that many creationists say very, very stupid things. Like where did space come from? If space is a physical entity it must have been created via physical means. Maybe a non-created/spiritual entity started it off, but since it is a physical means, it could have also arisen out of physical processes by random recombination. would've taken a while, but we'd have gotten there eventually.

You see? To the atheist God is impossible. Therefore the alternative, even if improbable, is reality. Their bias their right to be biased.

Who created God? - What sort of a God has to be created?? (That was precisely the Bible's argument against idols.) As logical thinkers we prefer to believe that there is order in this universe, and therefore everything must have a cause, and in order to avoid a paradox we posit the existence of a First Cause, who so nicely happens to be the position of a God we already know. No creation required!

To the Christian no-God is impossible. Therefore alternative beliefs such as that there is no such thing as causality, or that man is the First Cause (typical ontology of modern quantum physics), are impossible. My bias my right to be biased.

And don't tell me bias is bad - you're biased against bias! And if you believe that it is humanly possible to be unbiased you're biased for humanism, and if you believe that you can categorize between biased and unbiased and find one higher and one lower then you're biased towards logic versus intuitionism. XD

so what now? have I beaten everyone? =D

Are you going to repeat this in every thread?? That's considered spamming.
 
I agree with shernren regarding the 'stabs in the dark'. This is what this forum has devolved into(pretty ironic heh).

The atheist do what shernren did, except they use slightly different words each time. But the hating creationists/theists is still the point.

I personally think several topics toward the top of the page are useless, and could stand a good lock. Very few new topics are started here, and the few that keep getting posted on, contain nothing useful.

That is why my posting on this board has been less frequent than before, although
I do post here for humour purposes mostly(See the toenail topic.)


Marck
 
Are you going to repeat this in every thread?? That's considered spamming.
Not every. Just the ones with you, to annoy you. XD ....no, the previous posting was a mistake. I meant to post in this thread instead.

The atheist do what shernren did
which is?
 
shernren said:
Are you going to repeat this in every thread?? That's considered spamming.
Not every. Just the ones with you, to annoy you. XD ....no, the previous posting was a mistake. I meant to post in this thread instead.

ha! :D I knew it.

Yea, I figured that out when your other post mysteriously disappeared, sorry about that.
 
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