[_ Old Earth _] Racist Darwin

[keebs]

When a Creationist points out the obvious - that ToE is the atheist creation story - the atheist says, "many christians believe evolution."

Its TEists who change (rape) Genesis to support that which was invented to falsify it.

Evolution isn't a theory of creation. Evolution only works after the fact, it doesn't create the fact. You need to differentiate between evolution and modern abiogenesis.

But God, in Romans, is sick of you - because it says the belief that created things originate from other created things instead of Him is a penalty from God.

I don't believe in God so this really doesn't matter to me. The only part of Christianity that I care about are the morals, and you seem to be the a good poster child as to how these morals aren't followed in the first place.

Please spare me your pseudo-rage as you are more upset with a messenger reporting a rape than you are with the rape.

There was no rape.

As you can see anyone can claim to be a christian.

How do we know it is true ?

Since you seem to be fond of Romans, you'll also remember that the only requirement for Christianity is accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and savior.

How do we know you are not a closet atheist attempting to corrupt Scripture like the collar-wearing atheists of the Jesus Seminar ?

I'm not a closet atheist, I came out of the closet a long time ago.

I suggest you get lost or stand the heat of debate or go pander for an Admin intrusion to salvage your face.

You aren't debating anything. We keep presenting evidence and you keep ignoring it. Modern genetics shows that the concept of race does not exist. Evolution is nothing without modern genetics as it's basis, and thus the theory of evolution is not racist. Deal with it, and stop yelling rape whenever your ideas can't stand up to criticism.

 

[Ray Martinez]

http://www.goodschools.com/darwin.htm


"The first hint that Darwin was a racist can be seen in the subtitle selected for his "Origin." The words chosen were: "The Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life". Whom do you suppose Darwin tagged the "Unfavored Races?" This subtitle has been eliminated from all modern printings of the book, but it remains on the original"

"At some future period (Darwin writes), not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes ... will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest Allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as the baboon, instead of as now between the Negro or Australian and the gorilla." (Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man 2nd ed (New York: A. L. Burt Co., I 874), p. 178).

"No rational man (writes Thomas Huxley, a contemporary evolutionist), cognizant of the facts, believes that the average Negro is the equal, still less the superior, of the white man. And if this be true, it is simply incredible that, when all his disabilities are removed, and our prognathous relative has a fair field and no favor, as well as no oppressor, he will be able to compete successfully with his bigger-brained and smaller-jawed rival, in a contest which is to be carried out on by thoughts and not by bites." (Thomas H. Huxley, "Lay Sermans, Addresses and Reviews" (New York: Appleton, 1871) p. 20. Huxley was arguing that blacks could not compete intellectually with Caucasians, even under equal and fair conditions.)

It should be no surprise that no lesser racist villain than Adolf Hitler picked up on Darwin's evolutionary theories. Karl Schleunes writes: "Darwin's notion of struggle for survival was quickly appropriated by the racist ... such a struggle, legitimized by the latest scientific views, justified the racists' conception of superior and inferior peoples ... and validated the conflict between them." (Karl A. Schleunes, The Twisted Road To Auchwitz (Urbana, IL: University of Illinois Press, 1970)p. 30 , 32. Cited by J. Bergman, "Eugenics and Nazi Racial Policy," p. 118.)

Before 1859 (before Darwin's Origin), many scientists had questioned whether blacks were of the same species as whites, but they had no scientific basis for that notion. Things changed once Darwin presented his racist evolutionary schema. Darwin stated that African-Americans could not survive competition with their white near-relations, let alone being able to compete with the white race. According to Darwin, the African was inferior because he represented the missing-link" between ape and Teuton. (John C. Burham, Science, vol. 175 (February 4, 1972) p.506).

This proves Darwinists are not loyal to evidence.

They are only loyal to evidence which doesn't harm their starting atheist presuppositions. Now this blatant logic explains why they assert no evidence for God exists when the Universe is filled with it.

The Darwinists have evaded these quotes/facts.

The scant fossils asserted to be as the atheist storyteller needs them to be proves alleged hominid evolution has no physical proof commensurate with the extraordinary claim.

Darwinism began as a racist thought after rejecting God as Creator.

Ray Martinez

 

[keebs]

"The first hint that Darwin was a racist can be seen in the subtitle selected for his "Origin." The words chosen were: "The Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life". Whom do you suppose Darwin tagged the "Unfavored Races?" This subtitle has been eliminated from all modern printings of the book, but it remains on the original"

It's discussing a different use of the word "race" than you are.

And throughout all of this all you've managed to do is prove that Darwin was a racist and that people have misused false interpretations of evolution to promote bad things. Good for you.

 

[Barbarian]

Twice now, I've asked Ray if he's a Christian, and twice he's refused to answer.

I think he's a troll, posing as a Christian.

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

I was thinking this a while ago.

 

[Ray Martinez]

We keep presenting evidence and you keep ignoring it.

I cannot find any refuting evidence in this topic.

Maybe you could take the time and create one master post that contains all this evidence purported to exist in the debate.

And it is you evos who have completely ignored the OP quotes, links, and supporting arguments.

This silence was expected as there is really nothing to say once anyone reads the quotes and sees the links.

Ray Martinez

 

[Ray Martinez]

Twice now, I've asked Ray if he's a Christian, and twice he's refused to answer.

Obviously, asking that question is your way of insisting I am not.

I think he's a troll, posing as a Christian.

Insult = inability to refute and deflection from that fact.

Ray Martinez

 

[Barbarian]

Barbarian observes:
Twice now, I've asked Ray if he's a Christian, and twice he's refused to answer.

Obviously, asking that question is your way of insisting I am not.

You think a question is an assertion? I'm beginning to understand why you're a creationist. But there aren't many creationists as angry and hostile as you are.

Barbarian suspects:
I think he's a troll, posing as a Christian. So, just for the record, Ray, are you a Christian or are you something else?

 

[Heidi]

My initial quote was in reference to your ridiculous assertion that ToE is not the atheist creation story.

Darwin's version of the Theory of Evolution is a scientific theory and not based in a religious or areligious context.
Darwin was himself a christian.

Hello? Darwin a Christian? Then why didn't he believe God when God said that He created human beings separately from animals in His image? Jesus believes His Father when He said that. The theory of evolution began because Darwin didn't believe the bible!

 

[reznwerks]

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Hello? Darwin a Christian? Then why didn't he believe God when God said that He created human beings separately from animals in His image? Jesus believes His Father when He said that. The theory of evolution began because Darwin didn't believe the bible!

Believing doesn't make it true.

 

[keebs]

Insult = inability to refute and deflection from that fact.

I've seen more insults from you than anybody else in this thread. Hhhmmm...

The theory of evolution began because Darwin didn't believe the bible!

Darwin was an orthodox Christian for years after he published his theory of evolution, although he eventually converted to agnosticism.

 

[Heidi]

Sorry, Keebs, but as Jesus says, once someone drinks from new wineskins, he never goes back to the old. Once the Holy Spirit enters us, it cannot then jump back outside of us. A true Christian is a born again Christian who has received the Holy Spirit which is what heaven is. Darwin may have honored Christ with his lips but his theories show where is heart truly was. Saying someone was once a Christian and now is not is like saying that once someone meets someone, he denies his existence, which is an oxymoron.

 

[Barbarian]

God always gives you the choice of staying with Him, or turning away from Him. You are always free to give Him your love and worship, or withdrawing it.

These people are called "apostates", and they certainly exist.

 

[keebs]

Saying someone was once a Christian and now is not is like saying that once someone meets someone, he denies his existence, which is an oxymoron.

No, it's not. There's evidence that the person exists/existed. There's no evidence for God, which is why religions must rely on faith. And besides, I was once a Christian, and now I'm not...so I know how it goes.

 

[Ray Martinez]

There's no evidence for God

What else could an atheist say ?

I was once a Christian, and now I'm not

I believe you.

So was Demas and all of Asia who forsook Paul.

So were the children of Israel who came out of Egypt - they were saved - the type of "christian" in this context. God killed ALL of them in the Wilderness except Joshua, Caleb, and Moses for failing their tests with God.

IOW, many people WERE "christians", they fail their tests with God, He turns them over to a strong delusion and are damned - apostates.

The God-ordained delusion makes you think there is no evidence for Him.

Your position proves the Biblical penalty.

Ray Martinez

 

[Ray Martinez]

God always gives you the choice of staying with Him, or turning away from Him. You are always free to give Him your love and worship, or withdrawing it.

These people are called "apostates", and they certainly exist.

You are absolutely correct.

Ray M.

 

[Ray Martinez]

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[Free]

Please refrain from personal attacks such as name-calling. Stick to the topic and the arguments presented. Any further TOS violations will result in warnings being handed out.

Thanks. :D

 

[Barbarian]

BTW, I mean nothing perjorative in the word "apostate." It merely means one who was once a Christian, but no longer is.

I certainly don't look upon atheists or apostates as inferior to the rest of us. Christians are subject to all the flaws and evils humans have, and we have no cause to set ourselves above others. We are called to serve others. If I've offended anyone, I did not intend to do so.

Christians are not of one opinion on such people. Some think "once saved, always saved" and suppose many abashed apostates will show up at Heaven, to be welcomed in.

Others, like Ray, think they are damned. Personally, I think God judges each of them, like the rest of us, on what they did with what they were given.

 

[keebs]

What else could an atheist say ?

Not refuting my point=inability to refute=my statement is correct. Hahaha (even though I know it's wrong, it's the exact same thing you use).