[_ Old Earth _] Racist Darwin

[Ray Martinez]

Darwin produced ToE/atheist creation story. The theory of choice for Nazi's, fascists, and Marxists:

Nazi's: Jews were not fit to survive.

Fascists: Everyone but them were not fit to survive.

Marxists/atheists: Murdered at least 100 million persons in the Soviet Union, China, Southeast Asia.

The issue is ORIGINS and the origins of ToE/Darwinism is racism = why the scant evidence is further refuted as bunk.

Darwin and company were racists.

This is ToE ORIGIN - its source.

Darwinism = "similarity" between apes and Africans = why it was postulated to begin with. The racist features that Darwinian artists place on hypothetical transitional hopeful monsters is sickening.

http://www.clarku.edu/~piltdown/picture ... iltman.jpg

http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/hoaxes_and_frauds.html


It doesn't matter what Darwinists claim - the origin of the idea that humans evolved came about when the God of the Bible was rejected THEN from this departure Darwin and his cohorts "saw" the similarity and the theory was born - out of their racist minds.

Notice AFTER God is rejected then racist human evolution theory developed.

http://www.goodschools.com/darwin.htm


"The first hint that Darwin was a racist can be seen in the subtitle selected for his "Origin." The words chosen were: "The Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life". Whom do you suppose Darwin tagged the "Unfavored Races?" This subtitle has been eliminated from all modern printings of the book, but it remains on the original"

"At some future period (Darwin writes), not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes ... will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest Allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as the baboon, instead of as now between the Negro or Australian and the gorilla." (Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man 2nd ed (New York: A. L. Burt Co., I 874), p. 178).

"No rational man (writes Thomas Huxley, a contemporary evolutionist), cognizant of the facts, believes that the average Negro is the equal, still less the superior, of the white man. And if this be true, it is simply incredible that, when all his disabilities are removed, and our prognathous relative has a fair field and no favor, as well as no oppressor, he will be able to compete successfully with his bigger-brained and smaller-jawed rival, in a contest which is to be carried out on by thoughts and not by bites." (Thomas H. Huxley, "Lay Sermans, Addresses and Reviews" (New York: Appleton, 1871) p. 20. Huxley was arguing that blacks could not compete intellectually with Caucasians, even under equal and fair conditions.)

It should be no surprise that no lesser racist villain than Adolf Hitler picked up on Darwin's evolutionary theories. Karl Schleunes writes: "Darwin's notion of struggle for survival was quickly appropriated by the racist ... such a struggle, legitimized by the latest scientific views, justified the racists' conception of superior and inferior peoples ... and validated the conflict between them." (Karl A. Schleunes, The Twisted Road To Auchwitz (Urbana, IL: University of Illinois Press, 1970)p. 30 , 32. Cited by J. Bergman, "Eugenics and Nazi Racial Policy," p. 118.)

Before 1859 (before Darwin's Origin), many scientists had questioned whether blacks were of the same species as whites, but they had no scientific basis for that notion. Things changed once Darwin presented his racist evolutionary schema. Darwin stated that African-Americans could not survive competition with their white near-relations, let alone being able to compete with the white race. According to Darwin, the African was inferior because he represented the missing-link" between ape and Teuton. (John C. Burham, Science, vol. 175 (February 4, 1972) p.506).


What is ToE/Darwinism ?

Answer: A snowball originating from racism. The atheist and apostate NEED for the God of Genesis to not be the Creator required a theory for the origin of species and man.

After flipping God off the departure from Him went to racism to answer the question.

The scant highly subjective evidence "supporting" human evolution and the racist mind seeing the "similarity" between Africans and apes is how Darwinism was born.

Today only the need for Genesis to be wrong fuels the "success" of ToE.

Ray Martinez

 

[Barbarian]

Darwin was, like almost all people of European descent at the time, of the opinion that whites were superior to other peopes. His view were, in fact almost precisely those of Abraham Lincoln, held that blacks were inferior, but like Darwin argued that they were still entitled to rights and freedom as much as any other person.

Today, Darwinians are not racists because evolutionary theory has shown that there are no such things as biological human races. However, creationists, who once argued that God made blacks to serve whites, and who, well into the 90s were still discriminating on the basis of race in some of their institutions, have no such understanding.

Here's the statement of Henry Morris, creator of the Institute for Creation Research, and the founder of modern creationism:

"Yet the prophecy again has its obverse side. Somehow they have only gone so far and no farther. The Japhethites and Semites have, sooner or later, taken over their territories, and their inventions, and then developed them and utilized them for their own enlargement. Often the Hamites, especially the Negroes, have become actual personal servants or even slaves to the others. Possessed of a genetic character concerned mainly with mundane matters, they have eventually been displaced by the intellectual and philosophical acumen of the Japhethites and the religious zeal of the Semites. "
The Beginning Of the World, Second Edition (1991), pp. 147-148

It's not to say all creationists are like this, of course, but it is troubling that, long after scientists have shown racism to be foolish and evil, some leaders of the creationist movement are still preaching that blacks are intellectually and spiritually inferior to other people.

 

[keebs]

Darwin produced ToE/atheist creation story. The theory of choice for Nazi's, fascists, and Marxists:

ToE isn't an atheist creation story. I know many people who accept both the bible and the ToE.

Nazi's: Jews were not fit to survive.

That's not why they killed the Jews. Hitler was raised Catholic in a time when German and Austrian Catholics blamed Jews for the death of Jesus. Therefore, he grew up anti-Semetic and used this common hatred for his political gain. Don't blame evolution, blame the Catholic church.

Fascists: Everyone but them were not fit to survive.

Evolution deals with NATURAL selection...the eradication of people by other people based on their opinions, race, sex, etc. does not support evolutionary theory, but, in fact, opposes it because that is human selection, not natural selection.

Marxists/atheists: Murdered at least 100 million persons in the Soviet Union, China, Southeast Asia.

Actually it was a little more than 12 million, but I still fail to see your point. Oh, and just to let you know, most of the people who committed these crimes weren't atheist by choice, but rather had atheism forced on them. That's why when the Soviet Union disbanded it became one of the most religiously inclined nation in the world, and as of right now there is no seperation of church and state in Russia. And besides, you're forgetting to mention that alot more people were murdered in the name of the Christian God. Hell, even Hitler was killing Jews because he thought that's what God wanted him to do (read Mein Kampf and you will see that Hitler supported his anti-Semitic ideas by claiming that he was working in the direct interest of God).

The issue is ORIGINS and the origins of ToE/Darwinism is racism = why the scant evidence is further refuted as bunk.

Prove it. You've yet to show any proof of it's racist concepts.

Darwin and company were racists.

Even if Darwin was racist that doesn't mean that ToE is racist. That's like saying that Christianity is violent because God flooded the earth.

Darwinism = "similarity" between apes and Africans = why it was postulated to begin with. The racist features that Darwinian artists place on hypothetical transitional hopeful monsters is sickening.

Actually, recent discoveries lead us to believe that humans originated in Asia, not Africa. Whoops, there goes that argument. And even if man originated from apes in Africa that doesn't mean a thing. That's like saying that since the humans originated shorter than we are now that all short people are inferior to us. It's not true. Your logic, and facts, are faulty.

It doesn't matter what Darwinists claim - the origin of the idea that humans evolved came about when the God of the Bible was rejected THEN from this departure Darwin and his cohorts "saw" the similarity and the theory was born - out of their racist minds.

Actually, Darwin discovered his ToE while he was a Christian. It was later on in his life that he became an agnostic.

Notice AFTER God is rejected then racist human evolution theory developed.

Darwin rejected the Christian God after he developed the theory of evolution.

Answer: A snowball originating from racism. The atheist and apostate NEED for the God of Genesis to not be the Creator required a theory for the origin of species and man.

Creation can be considered just as racist and evolution. Adam and Eve had to have been created as a certain race, therefore God must have favored that race or he wouldn't have created them like that. Think about it. I'm not saying it's true (because I neither believe in God, Adam and Eve, nor do I support racism in any form).

After flipping God off the departure from Him went to racism to answer the question.

Racism was around alot longer than the ToE.

The scant highly subjective evidence "supporting" human evolution and the racist mind seeing the "similarity" between Africans and apes is how Darwinism was born.

Once again, it's no longer believed to be Africans. In any such case, evolution is not a progress, but a process. Just because something evolved from something else does not make it any better, it just means that it has adapted to the particular enviroment it's in. That's why you tend to see speciation only when two populations have been isolated from one another.

Today only the need for Genesis to be wrong fuels the "success" of ToE.

This is stupid. The success of the ToE comes from it's predictive power and the fact that despite thousands of tests it has never been falsified, where as the Genesis creation story has no supporting evidence and cannot be falsified (God can do anything, remember? Ha). The Genesis creation story doesn't predict anything either.

And there is a major problem with your post is that you seem to think that just because one race evolved from apes means that that race is inferior. You're viewing it wrong. Our species evolved from lower apes, and we are equal. Race evolved to as an adaptation to different geographic regions. It's an advantage to be black near the equator (like Africa), and to be white the closer you get to the poles. You can't say blacks are inferior because they are better suited to their original geographic location that we are, and the same thing goes for every other race.

 

[Ray Martinez]

ToE isn't an atheist creation story. I know many people who accept both the bible and the ToE.

Asserting contrary to whats obvious only reflects upon your perceived character - or lack of it.

Evolution is touted as "mindless, undirected, purposeless, and the product of chance and accident." These adjectives have a dual message concealed within that the God of the Bible was not involved.

Persons claiming to be christian while believing the above are obviously deluded or closet atheists attempting to subvert the Bible.

ANYONE can claim to be a christian as your comment below about Hitler shows.

RAY: Nazi's: Jews were not fit to survive.

OPPONENT: That's not why they killed the Jews. Hitler was raised Catholic ....

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mische ... itler.html

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter."

--Adolf Hitler [1922]

RAY: As we can see anyone can claim to be a christian. TEists included.

The Nazis were armed with Darwins theory and used it as a rationale to commit genocide.

RAY: Marxists/atheists: Murdered at least 100 million persons in the Soviet Union, China, Southeast Asia.

OPPONENT: Oh, and just to let you know, most of the people who committed these crimes weren't atheist by choice, but rather had atheism forced on them.

RAY: Classic whitewash, or even worse; asserting black is white. Are you a atheist ?

And besides, you're forgetting to mention that alot more people were murdered in the name of the Christian God.

IOW, this is an admission that the atheist Marxists murdered millions or you wouldn't of mentioned this. IOW, you are saying, "You too...."

At least you have admitted.

RAY: The issue is ORIGINS and the origins of ToE/Darwinism is racism = why the scant evidence is further refuted as bunk.

OPPONENT: Prove it. You've yet to show any proof of it's racist concepts.

RAY: Typical Darwinian evasion. I did post proof in the OP quotes and links, but true to the Darwinian way of asking for evidence in response to the evidence = insult = inability to refute.

Even if Darwin was racist that doesn't mean that ToE is racist.

Evading the OP arguments = inability to refute.

After Darwin rejected God as Creator THEN his racist mind came up with the idea that Africans evolved from apes.

Actually, Darwin discovered his ToE while he was a Christian. It was later on in his life that he became an agnostic.

Darwin was a card carrying naturalist-atheist - Divinity school drop out.

Charles was apostate and out to falsify the God of the Bible.

Even the Bible predicted Darwinsim and says the belief that created things originate from other created things instead of God is a penalty from God for denying Him Creator status.

Darwin rejected the Christian God after he developed the theory of evolution.

Flip-flop.

Charles was apostate. Need I define the word ?

In any case, AFTER rejecting God AS the Creator his racist mind "saw" the "similarity" between Africans and apes.

Creation can be considered just as racist and evolution. Adam and Eve had to have been created as a certain race, therefore God must have favored that race or he wouldn't have created them like that. Think about it. I'm not saying it's true (because I neither believe in God, Adam and Eve, nor do I support racism in any form).

Wow - the first couple proves creationist racism. What is your IQ ?

Your idiot comment makes God a racist no matter what. Have you ever heard of logic ?

There are many creationist racists. The point is these persons are not the ORIGIN of theism/christianity, unlike Darwin who is the originator of his theory based originally on the idea of racism from his racist mind.

RAY: After flipping God off the departure from Him went to racism to answer the question.

OPPONENT: Racism was around alot longer than the ToE.

RAY: Nobody said racism wasn't. But being a Darwinist and the fact that you have intentionally botched this simple quote/claim proves how your mind is falsification proof.

I said Darwin's racism was the origin of his human evolution idea - I didn't say he invented racism.

RAY: Today only the need for Genesis to be wrong fuels the "success" of ToE.

OPPONENT: This is stupid. The success of the ToE comes from it's predictive power and the fact that despite thousands of tests it has never been falsified....

RAY: What else could a Darwinist say ?

ToE has been refuted and decimated - only atheists and Darwinists refuse to accept based on their hatred of the God of Genesis.

where as the Genesis creation story has no supporting evidence and cannot be falsified

Could a Darwinist/atheist admit evidence for God ?

(Velikovsky did)

The empirical evidence contained in the Universe corroborates Genesis - only Darwinists assert otherwise for obvious reasons.

There is no evidence that man evolved from an ape - only naturalist requirements/assumptions inventing wild speculation packaged as science assert there is.

Ray Martinez

 

[keebs]

Asserting contrary to whats obvious only reflects upon your perceived character - or lack of it.

Haha exactly what I was thinking about you.

Evolution is touted as "mindless, undirected, purposeless, and the product of chance and accident." These adjectives have a dual message concealed within that the God of the Bible was not involved.

It is not touted as undirect nor purposeless. God could have designed the universe so that these laws are in place, knowing that humans would be the end product.

Persons claiming to be christian while believing the above are obviously deluded or closet atheists attempting to subvert the Bible.

I knew it...Pope John Paul was a closet atheist. Silly me.

ANYONE can claim to be a christian as your comment below about Hitler shows.

Hitler was a Christian...a devout Christian at that.

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ca_hitler.html

So...we now listen to what people say other people say as opposed to what the other people explicitly write down. Good to know. Since that's how you work, I'm gonna say that Jesus told that he wasn't the son of God.

The Nazis were armed with Darwins theory and used it as a rationale to commit genocide.

The nazis didn't use Darwinism...they validated their quest with "social Darwinism." There's a difference. Social Darwinism is a wrong and mis-applied idealogy based on misconceptions of evolution. Evolution works on natural selection, not human selection.

RAY: Classic whitewash, or even worse; asserting black is white. Are you a atheist ?

It's not whitewash and I told you why. Look at the religion stats during the soviet union and right after it was disbanded. Practically everyone was a hidden theist.

IOW, this is an admission that the atheist Marxists murdered millions or you wouldn't of mentioned this. IOW, you are saying, "You too...."

Were you not listening to me? I even said that communism has claimed the lives on over 12 million. My point is that most of them weren't atheist...just the leaders.

Typical Darwinian evasion. I did post proof in the OP quotes and links, but true to the Darwinian way of asking for evidence in response to the evidence = insult = inability to refute.

I refuted all of the "evidence" you've presented. It's not my fault if you choose to ignore it. Besides, I didn't insult you so your equality breaks down anyways.

Evading the OP arguments = inability to refute.

I didn't evade anything. I even gave you an example that shows your logic is faulty. However, if you still insist that your logic is faulty then you're also admitting that my example was right, essentially saying that Christianity is a violent religion. Good to know, I'll try and stay away from you guys then.

After Darwin rejected God as Creator THEN his racist mind came up with the idea that Africans evolved from apes.

Nope. Darwin didn't reject the idea of God as Creator at all...he just believed in a God that was less active in our world. And once again, his theory of evolution was formulated before his conversion. And even at that, saying that Africans evolved from apes isn't racist at all, because all humans evolved from apes.

Darwin was a card carrying naturalist-atheist - Divinity school drop out.

Prove it. Darwin was definitely not an atheist.

Even the Bible predicted Darwinsim and says the belief that created things originate from other created things instead of God is a penalty from God for denying Him Creator status.

Unless God created things using evolution.

Flip-flop.

Charles was apostate. Need I define the word ?

In any case, AFTER rejecting God AS the Creator his racist mind "saw" the "similarity" between Africans and apes.

Darwin never wrote about Africans evolving from apes. He wrote about humans evolving from apes.

Wow - the first couple proves creationist racism. What is your IQ ?

I didn't say it proved creationist racism, I said it could be interpreted as such. Oh, and is that an insult? Keep the debate orderly, would you? And besides, it is pretty useless to judge someone's intelligence from their IQ score...heck, I think IQ tests in general are useless (some of the smartest and most influential people of our time didn't even score in the gifted portion of the population, such as Feynman).

Your idiot comment makes God a racist no matter what. Have you ever heard of logic ?

That was my point.

There are many creationist racists. The point is these persons are not the ORIGIN of theism/christianity, unlike Darwin who is the originator of his theory based originally on the idea of racism from his racist mind.

The ToE wasn't created for the purpose of racism. Hell, Darwin wasn't even the first person to discuss human evolution.

Nobody said racism wasn't. But being a Darwinist and the fact that you have intentionally botched this simple quote/claim proves how your mind is falsification proof.

I'm not a Darwinist.

I said Darwin's racism was the origin of his human evolution idea - I didn't say he invented racism.

He wasn't the first person to talk about human evolution.

ToE has been refuted and decimated - only atheists and Darwinists refuse to accept based on their hatred of the God of Genesis.

There's a difference between refutation and accurate refutation. Creationists only refute strawman versions of evolution, or they use strawman versions of other scientific principles to refute it. And you just told me that I hate the God of Genesis, which I certainly don't. I've noticed that belief in a higher power provides strength, support, and happiness to alot of people (because it provides them with meaning and hope), and I certainly don't hate anything that helps so many people.

Could a Darwinist/atheist admit evidence for God ?

Where is it?

The empirical evidence contained in the Universe corroborates Genesis - only Darwinists assert otherwise for obvious reasons.

What empirical evidence? Just saying it's there doesn't mean anything, you have to say what it is and show that it's evidence.

There is no evidence that man evolved from an ape - only naturalist requirements/assumptions inventing wild speculation packaged as science assert there is.

Except for fossil records, Mitochondrial DNA, endogenous retroviruses, extremely similar genetic code, extremely similar homologous organs, etc.

 

[Barbarian]

Asserting contrary to whats obvious only reflects upon your perceived character - or lack of it.

In general, aggresive accusations of dishonesty are usually self-destructive, unless you have very good evidence for them. Disagreeing with you is not very good evidence of dishonesty.

Evolution is touted as "mindless, undirected, purposeless, and the product of chance and accident." These adjectives have a dual message concealed within that the God of the Bible was not involved.

Hurricanes are also mindless. But neither evolution nor hurricanes are undirected; there are natural forces that make them work in a directed manner.

Persons claiming to be christian while believing the above are obviously deluded or closet atheists attempting to subvert the Bible.

Christians know better than that. Most of us freely admit that evolution is compativle with Christian faith.

ANYONE can claim to be a christian as your comment below about Hitler shows.

Do you claim to be a Christian?

Incidentally, do you know that Martin Luther advocated most of the things Hitler did to the Jews? Do you think Martin Luther was a Christian?

The Nazis were armed with Darwins theory and used it as a rationale to commit genocide.

And Luther was armed with the Bible and used it as a rationale to advocate attacking the Jews.

RAY: Marxists/atheists: Murdered at least 100 million persons in the Soviet Union, China, Southeast Asia.

I don't suppose you know that Darwinism was officially suppressed in the Soviet Union and Communist China, eh?

IOW, this is an admission that the atheist Marxists murdered millions or you wouldn't of mentioned this. IOW, you are saying, "You too...."

Both Christians and atheists have committed atrocities that sicken any decent person. But most Christians and atheists would never do something like that. Pointing out the behavior of the worst people is no guide to what most of us are like.

Even if Darwin was racist that doesn't mean that ToE is racist.

True. In fact, evolutionary theory decisively refuted racism by showing that there are no biological human races. There are still some prominent creationist leaders who espouse racism, however. It's a major blot on the creationist movement, even if most creationists are not racists.

Actually, Darwin discovered his ToE while he was a Christian. It was later on in his life that he became an agnostic.

Darwin was a card carrying naturalist-atheist - Divinity school drop out.

Someone's had a little fun with your trust in them. Darwin was an orthodox Anglican when he discovered his theory. His co-founder was also a Christian. Wallace remained a Christian all his life, but Darwin, late in life said that he was leaning toward agnosticism. He never espoused atheism at all.

Charles was apostate and out to falsify the God of the Bible.

He was not a literalist, but then most Christians aren't.

Calm down, learn that people aren't evil just for disagreeing with you.

 

[Khaine]

Ray,
How do you explain groups like the KKK and Aryan Nation? Groups that, as a whole, reject the ToE, embrace Christanity, and still feel that Jews, Catholics, Gays, and other groups that they have problems with should either be separated or eliminated.

Remember, at one time or another all these groups were persecuted and executed long before Darwin was even born. And all this was done using the Bible for justification.

 

[Featherbop]

What is so extremely obvious to me is that no theory or religion is racist. Only humans are racists, and these evil people can take whatever they desire, corrupt and change it to make it support their own unrelated wicked ideas, and use it to fulfill their nefarious agendas.

The fact that some evolutionists and creationists have used their beleifs to falsely support wicked things is not an indicator that the beleifs in question are neccisarily evil themselves.

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

Ah, the old "Belief in Darwinian evolution is racist because all these specific guys who killed people are purportedly racist in my poorly supported argument" whining. Just be happy I used quotation marks and didn't hyphenate that entire thing.

 

[Barbarian]

As a Christian and a scientist, I am saddened that people have used Christianity and Science to justify racism.

Science has pretty much cleaned house, and we're well under way, taking care of the wayward Christians who espouse racism.

 

[Ray Martinez]

Ray,
How do you explain groups like the KKK and Aryan Nation? Groups that, as a whole, reject the ToE, embrace Christanity, and still feel that Jews, Catholics, Gays, and other groups that they have problems with should either be separated or eliminated.

Remember, at one time or another all these groups were persecuted and executed long before Darwin was even born. And all this was done using the Bible for justification.

IOW, by citing racists in Christianity you are admitting the indictment of this topic subject by saying, "christians too...."

But racists and other nefarious idiots among christianity is not the issue or subject - ORIGINS IS.

The origin of Christianity has nothing to do with racism unlike Darwinism which has as its origin racism.

When God was rejected as Creator THEN the Darwinists "saw" the "similarity" between Africans and apes = origin of human evolution theory originating from a racist mind. This fact further refutes the philosophic based atheist/apostate theory. This fact further makes the diminutive fossl inventory pure credulity based on a worldview need for Genesis to be falsified.

As for your list of racists parading under the guise of christianity - please remember ANYONE can CLAIM to be a christian:

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mische ... itler.html

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter."

--Adolf Hitler [1922]

Ray Martinez

 

[Barbarian]

Bottom line? Evolutionists are not racists, because evolutionary theory has shown that thare are no biological human races.

Some creationists are racists, because creationism does not rule out racism.

Hence, founding creationist Henry Morris can slander blacks as intellectually and spiritually inferior, and cite his religion as support.

It's a continuing problem. I know of many creationists who are sickened by Morris's racist statements, BTW; I do not mean to suggest that all of them are evil.

 

[Quath]

The origin of Christianity has nothing to do with racism unlike Darwinism which has as its origin racism.

Umm. This is a bad assertion. The origins of Christianity is Judiasm which is the belief that God picked one race as His chosen people. He would fight on the side of this race to decimate all other races and tribes.

But then every tribe had the same belief back then as well... just with different gods.

Quath

 

[keebs]

Bottom line? Evolutionists are not racists, because evolutionary theory has shown that thare are no biological human races.

Exactly. There may be some people out there who try to justify racism with evolution, but that justs shows that they do not understand evolution at all.

 

[Ray Martinez]

RAY: Asserting contrary to whats obvious only reflects upon your perceived character - or lack of it.

In general, aggresive accusations of dishonesty are usually self-destructive, unless you have very good evidence for them. Disagreeing with you is not very good evidence of dishonesty.

My initial quote was in reference to your ridiculous assertion that ToE is not the atheist creation story.

Denying this obvious self-evident fact reflects your willingness to brazenly alter axiomatic truth. IOW, if you would deny this then nobody could possibly trust your explanations of scientific data.

Christians.... Most of us freely admit that evolution is compativle with Christian faith.

Hitler claimed to be a christian, so do the collar-wearing atheists of the Jesus Seminar.

Then you have no source for your alleged christianity unless you radically: ignore, evade, alter, or re-write what the Bible says.

Atheists drag Genesis into their rape rooms and hold her down while you TEists do the dirty work.

The best fact which refutes TEism is the support they enjoy from atheist-Darwinism.

Incidentally, do you know that Martin Luther advocated most of the things Hitler did to the Jews? Do you think Martin Luther was a Christian?

What else could a Darwinist say ?

God used Luther to ignite and cement the Protestant Reformation. Luther loved Jesus and was forgiven. Luther's theology placed Paul back in front and exposed the rank evil of the Catholic Church.

Did you know the greatest hymn of the Church - "Amazing Grace" was written by a slave ship captain caught in a storm off the African coast ?

Newton cried out to God for forgiveness and his ship was saved. He let his cargo go free. Then he penned those famous words....

Darwin became apostate THEN "saw" the similarity between Africans and apes = origin of YOUR theory. The book of Acts says the Spirit led Phillip to the Ethiopian eunuch to convert him.

You have evaded the OP links and quotes - the Darwinian way.

RAY: The Nazis were armed with Darwins theory and used it as a rationale to commit genocide.

Darwinist: And Luther was armed with the Bible and used it as a rationale to advocate attacking the Jews.

RAY: IOW, one wrong justifies another - schoolyard mentality by an alleged rational Darwinist.

Luther accomplished much for God - Darwin gave the Nazi's, fascists, and Marxists rationale to murder hundreds of millions.

Again, you are an enraged and evading the origin of Darwinism out of the racist mind of Darwin.

I only have one point:

Darwinists ad hom all refutations. This topic is about giving you a taste of your own poison.

Darwin was a racist - see his OP quotes.

Even if Darwin was racist that doesn't mean that ToE is racist.

This quote was ascribed to me. I corrected your mistake by adding your name to it.

Actually, Darwin discovered his ToE while he was a Christian. It was later on in his life that he became an agnostic.

Again, you ascribed the above quote to me. I corrected the mistake by adding your name to it.

Darwin was an orthodox Anglican when he discovered his theory.

Darwin was a radical naturalist Genesis hating apostate Divinity school drop-out.

Asserting black to be white is indicative of what Darwinism is all about anyway, so an ordinary Darwinist like you - brainwashed and asserting Biblical support of the atheist creation story is as crackpot as it gets.

Calm down, learn that people aren't evil just for disagreeing with you.

Initiating "evil" betrays your spring.

Its Darwinists who are eternally enraged with the God of the Bible thats why their racist minds invented the insane philosophic based story that man evolved from an ape.

Romans says Darwinism is a penalty from God for denying Him Creator status.

The lack of any credible evidence corroborates the claim.

And you Darwinists THOUGHT your perceived intellectuality was responsible for rejecting the God of Genesis.

In reality, God has rejected you in His wrath, which makes you the proverbial aged movie-star convinced of her self-importance ready for her close-up.

Ray Martinez

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

My initial quote was in reference to your ridiculous assertion that ToE is not the atheist creation story.

Darwin's version of the Theory of Evolution is a scientific theory and not based in a religious or areligious context.
Darwin was himself a christian.

 

[keebs]

Atheists drag Genesis into their rape rooms and hold her down while you TEists do the dirty work.

Wow. I'm sick of you...what kind of a Christian compares my opinions to rape? You don't win arguments by making unsupported claims that attack your opponents...

 

[Ray Martinez]

My initial quote was in reference to your ridiculous assertion that ToE is not the atheist creation story.

Darwin's version of the Theory of Evolution is a scientific theory and not based in a religious or areligious context.
Darwin was himself a christian.

What else could a Darwinist say ?

Its not a matter of opinion - Darwin was apostate, thats why he invented the naturalist/atheist creation myth.

ToE is attempted overt/covert refutation of Genesis.

Its overt until someone points out the obvious.

Asserting ToE a scientific theory is quite generous - are you a Darwinist ?

ToE is fraud and hatred of God and its "success" = proof of Satan.

Ray Martinez

 

[Ray Martinez]

Atheists drag Genesis into their rape rooms and hold her down while you TEists do the dirty work.

Wow. I'm sick of you...what kind of a Christian compares my opinions to rape? You don't win arguments by making unsupported claims that attack your opponents...

I made an observation:

TEists are well liked by atheist-Darwinists.

When a Creationist points out the obvious - that ToE is the atheist creation story - the atheist says, "many christians believe evolution."

Its TEists who change (rape) Genesis to support that which was invented to falsify it.

But God, in Romans, is sick of you - because it says the belief that created things originate from other created things instead of Him is a penalty from God.

You are an atheist lackey - deluded to the core.

Please spare me your pseudo-rage as you are more upset with a messenger reporting a rape than you are with the rape.

A christian who believes man evolved from an ape contrary to Genesis ?

Imagine that !

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mische ... itler.html

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter."

--Adolf Hitler [1922]

As you can see anyone can claim to be a christian.

How do we know it is true ?

How do we know you are not a closet atheist attempting to corrupt Scripture like the collar-wearing atheists of the Jesus Seminar ?

All claims are challengeable.

I suggest you get lost or stand the heat of debate or go pander for an Admin intrusion to salvage your face.

Ray Martinez

 

[Barbarian]

RAY: Asserting contrary to whats obvious only reflects upon your perceived character - or lack of it.

Barbarian observes:
In general, aggresive accusations of dishonesty are usually self-destructive, unless you have very good evidence for them. Disagreeing with you is not very good evidence of dishonesty.

My initial quote was in reference to your ridiculous assertion that ToE is not the atheist creation story.

Since it was first formulated by two Christians, it could hardly be that.

Barbarian observes:
Christians.... Most of us freely admit that evolution is compativle with Christian faith.

Hitler claimed to be a christian, so do the collar-wearing atheists of the Jesus Seminar.

Do you claim to be a Christian?

Then you have no source for your alleged christianity unless you radically: ignore, evade, alter, or re-write what the Bible says.

Atheists drag Genesis into their rape rooms and hold her down while you TEists do the dirty work.

You do realize that simple accusations lead people to believe you have nothing on which to base them, don't you?

The best fact which refutes TEism is the support they enjoy from atheist-Darwinism.

As you learned, there is no such thing.

Barbarian observes:
Incidentally, do you know that Martin Luther advocated most of the things Hitler did to the Jews? Do you think Martin Luther was a Christian?

What else could a Darwinist say ?

Luther lived long before Darwin. He considered himself a Christian.

God used Luther to ignite and cement the Protestant Reformation. Luther loved Jesus and was forgiven. Luther's theology placed Paul back in front and exposed the rank evil of the Catholic Church.

Did you know the greatest hymn of the Church - "Amazing Grace" was written by a slave ship captain caught in a storm off the African coast ?

Some Christian denominations actually insisted that God wanted blacks to be slaves, so that's not surprising.

Newton cried out to God for forgiveness and his ship was saved. He let his cargo go free. Then he penned those famous words....

Wouldn't it have been great if every Christian who enslaved blacks listened to Darwin, and freed them?

You have evaded the OP links and quotes - the Darwinian way.

My belief is that if a person can't explain the argument himself, it's useless to him. I'll listen to what you say, but if you can't put it in your own words, what makes you think it's true?

RAY: The Nazis were armed with Darwins theory and used it as a rationale to commit genocide.

Barbarian observes:
And Luther was armed with the Bible and used it as a rationale to advocate attacking the Jews.

RAY: IOW, one wrong justifies another

No. They are equally disgusting; when one is evil, any ideology will do. I will grant you at least one denomination with large numbers of creationists has sense apologized for supporting slavery and racial discrimination. But many of their members have not accepted that.

Luther accomplished much for God

Indeed. His "Ich kann nicht anders" is a shining example of faith in the face of persecution. But he did much evil, as well. He should never have insisted that it was good to lie for God. And his hatred of the Jews is as pathological as Hitler's. A complex man, and on the balance, he probably did more good than evil.

Darwin gave the Nazi's, fascists, and Marxists rationale to murder hundreds of millions.

Christianity gave the racists the same sort of rational for the Holocaust and slavery.

But both cases were perversions of these things.

Again, you are an enraged and evading the origin of Darwinism out of the racist mind of Darwin.

I can understand you being upset to learn that creationism still harbors racists, while evolutionary theory refutes racism. But getting angry won't help. One thing that might help would be for creationism to clean house, as science has done.

Darwinists ad hom all refutations. This topic is about giving you a taste of your own poison.

I think it's a mistake in any sense. When you give up on facts, and descend to calling names, you are lost.

Darwin was a racist

So was Lincoln. Darwin and Lincoln were considered liberals in their time because, although they thought blacks were inferior to whites, they insisted that they were entitled to their freedom and dignity as humans.

Barbarian observes:
Darwin was an orthodox Anglican when he discovered his theory.

Darwin was a radical naturalist Genesis hating apostate Divinity school drop-out.

You've been misled. Darwin admitted (in "Voyage of the Beagle") that he was such an orthodox Anglican that the ship's officers made jokes about it.

Asserting black to be white

You misunderstand. Evolutionary theory says that there are no biological races. You can't mix them, because they don't exist as an objective entity. Depending on the culture in which you live, there are anywhere from one to hundreds of races, all culturally determined.

Barbarian observes:
Calm down, learn that people aren't evil just for disagreeing with you.

Initiating "evil" betrays your spring.

You are an angry little guy, aren't you?

Romans says Darwinism is a penalty from God for denying Him Creator status.

Hmmm... cite me the verse. I think you made that up. I don't recall Romans talking about evolution at all.

In reality, God has rejected you in His wrath,

You might want to be careful about saying "sic 'em" to God.