Radical Islam

[for_his_glory]

What Mohammed said:
Said Allah hates those who don't accept Islam.
(Qur'an 30:4, 3:32, 22:38)
"I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah"
(Muslim 1:33)
Stoned women for adultery.
(Muslim 4206)
Permitted stealing from unbelievers.
(Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)
Permitted lying.
(Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)
Owned and traded slaves.
(Sahih Muslim 3901)
Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys.
(Sahih Muslim 4390)
Murdered those who insulted him.
(Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)
"If then anyone transgresses
the prohibition against you,
Transgress ye likewise against him"
(Qur'an 2:194)
Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold.
(Muslim 4645)
Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves.
(Bukhari 5:268, Qur'an 33:50)
Slept with a 9-year-old child.
(Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)
Ordered the murder of women.
(Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)
"O you who believe! Fight those of the
unbelievers who are near to you
and let them find in you hardness."
(Qur'an 9:123)
Ordered 65 military campaigns
and raids in his last 10 years.
(Ibn Ishaq )
Killed captives taken in battle.
(Ibn Ishaq 451)
Encouraged his men to rape enslaved women.
(Abu Dawood 2150, Qur'an 4:24)
Demanded captured slaves and
a fifth of all other loot taken in war.
(Qur'an 8:41)
Was never tortured, but tortured others.
(Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764)
"And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah"
(Qur'an 8:39)
Blessed the brutal murder of a half-blind man
(al-Tabari 1440)
Ordered a slave to build the very pulpit
from which he preached Islam.
(Bukhari 47:743)
What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause"
(Muslim 1:149)
Demanded the protection of armed bodyguards, even in a house of worship
(Qur'an 4:102)
Died fat and wealthy from what was
taken from others in war or
demanded from others in tribute.
Advocated crucifying others.
(Qur'an 5:33, Muslim 16:4131)
According to his followers:
Had others give their lives for him.
(Sahih Muslim 4413)

 

[for_his_glory]

What Jesus said:

Said God loves everyone.
(John 3:16)
"He who lives by the sword
will die by the sword."
(Matthew 26:52)
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
(John 8:7)
"Thou shalt not steal."
(Matthew 19:18)
"Thou shalt not bear false witness."
(Matthew 19:18)
Neither owned nor traded slaves.
Beheaded no one.
Preached forgiveness.
(Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)
"If someone strikes you on the right
cheek, turn to him the other also."
(Matthew 5:39)
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for
they will be called Sons of God"
(Matthew 5:9)
Was celibate.
Did not have sex with children.
Never harmed a woman.
"Blessed are the meek, for
they shall inherit the earth."
(Matthew 5:5)
Ordered no military campaigns, nor
offered any approval of war or violence.
Never took captives.
Never killed anyone.
Never encouraged rape.
Never enslaved women.
"The Son of Man came not
to be served, but to serve."
(Matthew 20:28)
Suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.
"Love your enemies and pray
for those who persecute you"
(Matthew 5:44)
Healed a blind man
(Mark 8:28)
Washed his disciple’s feet.
(John 13:5)
What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself."
(Matthew 22:34-40)
Chastised anyone attempting
to defend him with force.
(John 18:10-12)
Demanded nothing for himself
Died without possessions.
Was crucified himself.
According to his followers:
Gave his life for others.
(John 18:11 and elsewhere)

 

[turnorburn]

What Jesus said:

Said God loves everyone.
(John 3:16)
"He who lives by the sword
will die by the sword."
(Matthew 26:52)
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
(John 8:7)
"Thou shalt not steal."
(Matthew 19:18)
"Thou shalt not bear false witness."
(Matthew 19:18)
Neither owned nor traded slaves.
Beheaded no one.
Preached forgiveness.
(Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)
"If someone strikes you on the right
cheek, turn to him the other also."
(Matthew 5:39)
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for
they will be called Sons of God"
(Matthew 5:9)
Was celibate.
Did not have sex with children.
Never harmed a woman.
"Blessed are the meek, for
they shall inherit the earth."
(Matthew 5:5)
Ordered no military campaigns, nor
offered any approval of war or violence.
Never took captives.
Never killed anyone.
Never encouraged rape.
Never enslaved women.
"The Son of Man came not
to be served, but to serve."
(Matthew 20:28)
Suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.
"Love your enemies and pray
for those who persecute you"
(Matthew 5:44)
Healed a blind man
(Mark 8:28)
Washed his disciple’s feet.
(John 13:5)
What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself."
(Matthew 22:34-40)
Chastised anyone attempting
to defend him with force.
(John 18:10-12)
Demanded nothing for himself
Died without possessions.
Was crucified himself.
According to his followers:
Gave his life for others.
(John 18:11 and elsewhere)

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[Jim Parker]

The crusaders sure didn't behave better than the ones they fought.

The crusades were acts of war intended to take back from the Muslims the lands which the Muslims took by war, slaughter, pillage, enslavement, etc. Islam is spread by wars of conquest. Christianity is spread by preaching the Gospel of peace.

The inquisition... well, we all know how they worked "for God".

The use of torture was a standard procedure in Europe in the middle ages. The inquisition limited torture to one session of not more than 15 minutes.
No where in the New Covenant, the basis for Christian belief and praxis, is torture or any form of violence prescribed.
It is normative for Islam according to the Koran. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

Your arguments are specious. Christianity is nothing like Islam.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

Don't put words in my mouth.....

I never said Christianity is like Islam

I am saying that many "Christians" are / were as bad as / worse than the muslim terrorists

 

[Runner]

Don't put words in my mouth.....

I never said Christianity is like Islam

I am saying that many "Christians" are / were as bad as / worse than the muslim terrorists

Two reasons: (1) Many, many "Christians" aren't Christians. (2) Human nature rears its head within Christianity as elsewhere.

I happen to have just been reading an article about the "dharma heirs" of some notable Zen roshis. The basic idea is that the "Buddha mind" has been passed on through the centuries from the Buddha to a succession of enlightened masters (roshis), who then pass it on to their most enlightened disciples. The disappointing focus of the article was the staggering corruption associated with this practice, both in terms of appointing completely unqualified people as dharma heirs as well as the financial and sexual scandals that have destroyed Zen communities. In other words, enlightened Buddhists are as plagued by human nature as are Christians.

One would like to think the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, if genuine, would make Christian individuals and communities easily distinguishable from their Buddhist, Islamic and Hindu counterparts. The fact that they aren't easily distinguishable brings us back to point #1 - much of "Christianity" simply isn't Christian. The fruit of the Spirit simply isn't there.

I don't think the travesties committed in the name of Christianity really say much of anything at all about Christianity. Real Christianity, I believe, exists on a much smaller scale than "Christianity" would like to believe. I join with Kierkegaard and Tolstoy in believing "Christianity" bears almost no resemblance to what Jesus was talking about.

Christianity is indeed "like" Islam in the sense that both, by their natures, are easily perverted into grotesque caricatures of the real thing. One doesn't hear much about Buddhist or Hindu terrorists because, unlike Christianity and Islam, these religions don't have the extreme "us vs. them" mentality that is easily perverted into a grotesque and destructive caricature. With both Christians and Islam, the "them" is the entire rest of the world. When the Christian "them" specifically becomes Muslims, and the Muslim "them" specifically becomes Christians, as is the case now, the situation is inevitably going to be explosive. As the saying goes, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom-fighter.

 

[jasonc]

Two reasons: (1) Many, many "Christians" aren't Christians. (2) Human nature rears its head within Christianity as elsewhere.

I happen to have just been reading an article about the "dharma heirs" of some notable Zen roshis. The basic idea is that the "Buddha mind" has been passed on through the centuries from the Buddha to a succession of enlightened masters (roshis), who then pass it on to their most enlightened disciples. The disappointing focus of the article was the staggering corruption associated with this practice, both in terms of appointing completely unqualified people as dharma heirs as well as the financial and sexual scandals that have destroyed Zen communities. In other words, enlightened Buddhists are as plagued by human nature as are Christians.

One would like to think the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, if genuine, would make Christian individuals and communities easily distinguishable from their Buddhist, Islamic and Hindu counterparts. The fact that they aren't easily distinguishable brings us back to point #1 - much of "Christianity" simply isn't Christian. The fruit of the Spirit simply isn't there.

I don't think the travesties committed in the name of Christianity really say much of anything at all about Christianity. Real Christianity, I believe, exists on a much smaller scale than "Christianity" would like to believe. I join with Kierkegaard and Tolstoy in believing "Christianity" bears almost no resemblance to what Jesus was talking about.

Christianity is indeed "like" Islam in the sense that both, by their natures, are easily perverted into grotesque caricatures of the real thing. One doesn't hear much about Buddhist or Hindu terrorists because, unlike Christianity and Islam, these religions don't have the extreme "us vs. them" mentality that is easily perverted into a grotesque and destructive caricature. With both Christians and Islam, the "them" is the entire rest of the world. When the Christian "them" specifically becomes Muslims, and the Muslim "them" specifically becomes Christians, as is the case now, the situation is inevitably going to be explosive. As the saying goes, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom-fighter.

There are extremists in Hinduism and buddhism. The west doesn't focus on it.but both kill muslims and Christians

 

[Runner]

There are extremists in Hinduism and buddhism. The west doesn't focus on it.but both kill muslims and Christians

I do see that there have been increasing references to "Buddhist terrorism" and "Hindu terrorism" in recent years, but this appears to have different roots from Christian and Muslim extremism, and there is considerable debate as to whether the term "terrorism" is appropriate at all. Much of it seems to be political and ethnic rather than religious in motivation. And much of it seems attributable to the same thing we have with "Christianity" - sincere followers of the religions would say, "These people aren't really Buddhists or Hindus at all." Anyway, I do take your point, but I still believe there is a fundamental difference between religions such as Buddhism and Hindu and religions such as Christianity and Islam, the latter of which see it as their divine mission to win the world for their God. It seems undeniable to me that Christianity and Islam are more readily perverted into grotesque caricatures. (I realize many Christians insist that what I am calling a grotesque caricature of Islam is in fact the true kill-all-the-infidels Islam, but I know a bit about the religion and simply don't believe this is true.)

 

[jasonc]

I do see that there have been increasing references to "Buddhist terrorism" and "Hindu terrorism" in recent years, but this appears to have different roots from Christian and Muslim extremism, and there is considerable debate as to whether the term "terrorism" is appropriate at all. Much of it seems to be political and ethnic rather than religious in motivation. And much of it seems attributable to the same thing we have with "Christianity" - sincere followers of the religions would say, "These people aren't really Buddhists or Hindus at all." Anyway, I do take your point, but I still believe there is a fundamental difference between religions such as Buddhism and Hindu and religions such as Christianity and Islam, the latter of which see it as their divine mission to win the world for their God. It seems undeniable to me that Christianity and Islam are more readily perverted into grotesque caricatures. (I realize many Christians insist that what I am calling a grotesque caricature of Islam is in fact the true kill-all-the-infidels Islam, but I know a bit about the religion and simply don't believe this is true.)

Hinduism has never been peaceful.ghandI borrowed from christianity.buddhism gave rise to imperial japan,ThaI boxing.the state on Hinduism comes from an missionary in india.he has been beaten by jews, christians and muslims.jews are the least likely and that occurs in isreal of all places.

 

[Jim Parker]

Don't put words in my mouth.....
I never said Christianity is like Islam
I am saying that many "Christians" are / were as bad as / worse than the muslim terrorists

By saying that, you diminish the very real contrast between the Muslim worship of the god of murder, rape, pillage and war; Allah and the worship of the God who commanded his followers to lover their enemies.
Christians have not made it their practice to wage a 1400 year long holy war against the rest of the world.
Christians have not made the word "terrorism" essentially synonymous with "Islam."

 

[Jim Parker]

buddhism gave rise to imperial japan,

FYI: Imperial Japan was Shinto, not Buddhist.
"In modern scholarship, the term is often used with reference to kami worship and related theologies, rituals and practices. In these contexts, "Shinto" takes on the meaning of "Japan’s traditional religion", as opposed to foreign religions such as Christianity, Buddhism, Islam and so forth." Inoue Nobutaka, Shinto, a Short History (2003) p. 1

 

[jasonc]

FYI: Imperial Japan was Shinto, not Buddhist.
"In modern scholarship, the term is often used with reference to kami worship and related theologies, rituals and practices. In these contexts, "Shinto" takes on the meaning of "Japan’s traditional religion", as opposed to foreign religions such as Christianity, Buddhism, Islam and so forth." Inoue Nobutaka, Shinto, a Short History (2003) p. 1

State buddhism, nothing much else.jap adaption.the borrow everything and make it their own.even their language is borrowed.Chinese characters pronounced the same with the words meaning totally different things.karate is also from china.,well Okinawa then Japan.

 

[Jim Parker]

State buddhism, nothing much else.jap adaption.the borrow everything and make it their own.even their language is borrowed.Chinese characters pronounced the same with the words meaning totally different things.karate is also from china.,well Okinawa then Japan.

Ok. Sorry for interrupting your line of thought by interjecting facts.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Ok. Sorry for interrupting your line of thought by interjecting facts.

LOL!

 

[jasonc]

Ok. Sorry for interrupting your line of thought by interjecting facts.

Can't have you ruining my fun,lol