Rapture Survey for CFnetians

[Cornelius]

I believe the "rapture" (word not in the Bible ) is after the Tribulation, before the Wrath of God.

Why?

A: There is no Old Testament type and shadow that shows that God has ever kept his children from tribulation . In fact He has always sent them into tribulation when they needed it. (Egypt, Babylon etc) Then after they repented , He then delivered them. (God is always the same, and Ecc 1:9 teaches that history always repeats itself)
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Here is one (of a few) of a type and shadow, where we see in "picture form" the tribulation and then the rapture.

Remember that "one day is as a thousand years" in the Bible. Here we see Jericho as a picture of the final place where we must go (types and shadows have many layers , this is but one)

Jos 6:2 And Jehovah said unto Joshua, See, I have given into thy hand Jericho, and the king thereof, and the mighty men of valor.
Jos 6:3 And ye shall compass the city, all the men of war, going about the city once. Thus shalt thou do six days. (We have done that now, we have been "walking around it for 6000 years)
Jos 6:4 And seven priests shall bear seven trumpets (How many trumpets are being blown in Revelation? ) of rams' horns before the ark: and the seventh day (in the seven thousand's year )ye shall compass the city seven times,(Seven years of Tribulation ) and the priests shall blow the trumpets.
Jos 6:5 And it shall be, that, when they make a long blast with the ram's horn, and when ye hear the sound of the trumpet, all the people shall shout with a great shout; and the wall of the city shall fall down flat, and the people shall go up every man straight before him.

1Co 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

God loves puzzles and the Bible is full of them We get to solve them.

Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing; But the glory of kings is to search out a matter.

Seeing that we are the kings, we get to search out a matter, that God has hidden

You will see the same thing in Daniel (the furnace story, it being heated up seven times (tribulation), BUT Jesus is there in the fire with us ) You will also see that "as in the days of Noah" we can also see the seven years of tribulation, before the Ark lifted up.

Here is the 6000 years clue (as in Jericho)
Gen 7:6 And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.

Now we have to find seven days (or seven years) of tribulation before the Ark goes UP.

Gen 7:10 And it came to pass after the seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

Will this be a time of testing for God's people Well, 40 is the clue number that God connects in Scripture with "trial" and "testing" (Jesus in the desert for 40 days, Israel in the desert for 40 years and many more examples ) Lets see if there is a 40

Gen 7:12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

OK, we have the six, for the six thousand years after Adam, we have the seven for seven years of tribulation , we have forty for the time of testing.We also have the Ark going up AFTER the tribulation, and that agrees with Jericho .
We are told to look at these DAYS,

Mat 24:37 And as were the days of Noah, so shall be the coming of the Son of man. ( "were" not in the original )

And then of course the New Testament also tells us "after the tribulation" God will gather His elect from the four corners of the earth.

C

 

[Vic C.]

I believe the "rapture" (word not in the Bible ) is after the Tribulation, before the Wrath of God.

Why?...

I studied PreWrath for a few years and from a futuristic (and Biblical) point of view, it makes much sense, for the very reasons mentioned by Cornelius (and a few more if I were to elaborate on the PreWrath view). It taught me, among other things, that worldly persecution (Tribulation) and The Wrath of God are two separate and distinct events in Scripture. That is the key and once one finally sees that in Scripture, 1 Thessalonians 5:9 is that much clearer.

Things become even clearer for me when I realized Daniel 9-26-27 is Messianic and not antichrist in nature. Then you begin to understand the 70th. week is history to us (history prewritten, as some reformed say).

 

[Cornelius]

OK, first I really hate to give links on the Internet. Everybody thinks they have 'THE LINK", but I am going to give a link LOL
Some years ago, I became sick and had to spend two weeks in bed. Somehow this book landed in bed with me, (I printed it out , because it was free) and after I started reading it, for the first time in my life I was SO thankful for the flue , because I had an excuse to stay in bed and just read. For the first time, Revelation started making sense to me. Before this time, I really had no clue and it was a difficult book to me. (This was after being a Christian for about 27 years) So here is the link, and I am giving this in full faith that the Holy Spirit will take those who must read this and guide them to do so. But please pray before you read it (IF you read it )

Scroll down to the bottom, its for free and called :Hidden Manna (At first I got angry at a few things, but I thank God that He allowed me NOT to put the book down. At one stage I wanted to throw it away , but I am so thankful that I managed to read through it )

http://www.unleavenedbreadministries.org/

 

[Vic C.]

The speaker has been receiving Word of Knowledge and Wisdom concerning end time happenings for thirty years. In these audios you will hear absolute Biblical proof whether the Church will go through tribulation. You will understand the difference between the tribulation and the wrath. Relative to the tribulation you will understand when the coming of the Lord and when the day of the Lord is. Also relative to the tribulation you will understand when America will be destroyed and when there will be a corporate fulfillment of the Psalm 91 Passover. Types and shadows from the days of Noah, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, Feast of Tabernacles, Marriage Feast, and the time of Israel in Egypt, the wilderness, and the Promised Land will give backup proof.

I will be listening to this, this weekend, Cornelius. Thanks for the link.

 

[LostSoul]

The Rapture is something we likely should seriously pray about and study in the NT. I really do not know what to say in terms of its timing outside of the likeliness that it will occur before the tribulation. This is of course, based of what I have come to understand from reading Revelation. I could be wrong. After all....I am just a child in Christ.

May God Bless You

Danielle

 

[Captain Sarcastic]

I found an interesting teaching on the fallacy known as the Rapture:

http://www.gnmagazine.org/issues/gn27/rapture.htm

Very solid points all around. :shades

 

[Cornelius]

The speaker has been receiving Word of Knowledge and Wisdom concerning end time happenings for thirty years. In these audios you will hear absolute Biblical proof whether the Church will go through tribulation. You will understand the difference between the tribulation and the wrath. Relative to the tribulation you will understand when the coming of the Lord and when the day of the Lord is. Also relative to the tribulation you will understand when America will be destroyed and when there will be a corporate fulfillment of the Psalm 91 Passover. Types and shadows from the days of Noah, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, Feast of Tabernacles, Marriage Feast, and the time of Israel in Egypt, the wilderness, and the Promised Land will give backup proof.

I will be listening to this, this weekend, Cornelius. Thanks for the link.

I do like those choice of words, when speaking about the "rapture".
"a corporate fulfillment of the Psalm 91 Passover:



C

 

[Guest]

I voted for "after the tribulation". I actually want to say, "after tribulation but right before God's Wrath". Those who have been following my progression thru End Times beliefs will know I don't adhere to a future seven year tribulation period. :D

Ditto

 

[sheshisown]

Well, well, well... :D I kinda expected this.

It looks like the majority of believers (at least so far) believe in Pre-Tribulation rapture. :D

Out of 27 one time votes we have a small majority of nine who are Pre-tribber rapture kids. COOL!

I am starting a new thread that will give those who are TRULY Pre-Tribualtion Rapture believers a little corner in End Times forums to comfort one another by sharing this view and the doctrinal path through the word that supports it.

NOPE, in that thread there will be no opportunity for hashing out other specific end times views. (We will be simply going through the scriptures that strengthen the Pre-Trib view alone.)

WHY? Because we are commanded to comfort one another with these words... :yes

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.[/b]1 Thes. 4:14-18

All posters who are interested in joining in and being built up by the soon coming of our Lord, BEFORE the Tribulation begins... please please join in. :biglol

bonnie

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I voted "after the tribulation of those days".

 

[MISFIT]

Well, well, well... :D I kinda expected this.

It looks like the majority of believers (at least so far) believe in Pre-Tribulation rapture. :D

Out of 27 one time votes we have a small majority of nine who are Pre-tribber rapture kids. COOL!

I am starting a new thread that will give those who are TRULY Pre-Tribualtion Rapture believers a little corner in End Times forums to comfort one another by sharing this view and the doctrinal path through the word that supports it.

NOPE, in that thread there will be no opportunity for hashing out other specific end times views. (We will be simply going through the scriptures that strengthen the Pre-Trib view alone.)

WHY? Because we are commanded to comfort one another with these words... :yes

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.[/b]1 Thes. 4:14-18

All posters who are interested in joining in and being built up by the soon coming of our Lord, BEFORE the Tribulation begins... please please join in. :biglol

bonnie

Looks like you're wrong about which is winning, take another look.

 

[Vic C.]

Ok people, this isn't a contest. :naughty


:P

 

[sheshisown]

Or is it? AND If so~ who are you contesting with?

 

[Jon-Marc]

I was a few days too late to vote, but my vote is that it will happen BEFORE the Tribulation.

 

[Vic C.]

I was a few days too late to vote, but my vote is that it will happen BEFORE the Tribulation.

I just checked and the time limit was set for 60 days.

 

[RND]

Well, well, well... :D I kinda expected this.

It looks like the majority of believers (at least so far) believe in Pre-Tribulation rapture. :D

Out of 27 one time votes we have a small majority of nine who are Pre-tribber rapture kids. COOL!

I am starting a new thread that will give those who are TRULY Pre-Tribualtion Rapture believers a little corner in End Times forums to comfort one another by sharing this view and the doctrinal path through the word that supports it.

NOPE, in that thread there will be no opportunity for hashing out other specific end times views. (We will be simply going through the scriptures that strengthen the Pre-Trib view alone.)

WHY? Because we are commanded to comfort one another with these words... :yes

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.[/b]1 Thes. 4:14-18

All posters who are interested in joining in and being built up by the soon coming of our Lord, BEFORE the Tribulation begins... please please join in. :biglol

bonnie

Bonnie, we aren't requested to "comfort one another" with fairy tales and old-wives tales......Rapture? Resurrection. "...God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus."

1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

You are not in darkness. I am not in darkness. That day will come as a thief in the night. Suddenly. Unexpectedly for those not "looking" for His coming, not suddenly or unexpectedly for those who know His coming is soon and eminent.

 

[MMarc]

At Passover Jesus reconciled our soul with the Father on earth, as Jesus quickens our souls.

At the fulfillment of Atonement Jesus reconciles our souls with the Father in Heaven so that we might not know the second deathe, spiritual death.

So I believe that it is our souls or inner man that will be raptured and live forever, either or, the point is we live with the Lord forever.

just leave room for Jesus to be revealed on earth, I know He will be with us about 40 years after He suddenly comes into His temple like lightning...

Remember Jesus said it would be like the days of Noah and Lot, not like the days of Enoch.

I sense this doctrine to be dangerous in that many will not believe Jesus returning because they are still here on earth. I love the irony though Jesus said ''I will return so that where I am you may be also.'' So if Jesus returns why would I want to leave?

You're kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven...

 

[XTruth]

Remember Jesus said it would be like the days of Noah and Lot, not like the days of Enoch.

The Second Coming will be like the days of Noah and Lot, not the Rapture that is 7 years prior. But if He was talking about the Rapture with reference to the days of so and so, He would have said the days of Enoch and Elijah.

 

[sheshisown]

Yes XTruth~

He would have said Enoch and Elijah and Moses, and Paul, and John... at least He would have mentioned these~ as exemples of rapture. The trouble with a Second Coming rapture ideology is it gets rapture and second coming all blended together into one confusing ball. :o

sheshisown

 

[XTruth]

Yes XTruth~

He would have said Enoch and Elijah and Moses, and Paul, and John... at least He would have mentioned these~ as exemples of rapture. The trouble with a Second Coming rapture ideology is it gets rapture and second coming all blended together into one confusing ball. :o

sheshisown

I'm glad you mentioned Moses. I thought about it, but decided to go w/ the obvious to avoid unnecessary debate. Paul and John are also great examples, but would have confused the initial people He was talking to at that time. And yes, it is essential to the study of end-time prophecy to be able to separate the Rapture and the Second Coming.

His Coming = 7 yrs after Rapture when He comes to earth WITH the saints (Isa.63:1-6; Dan.2:44-45; 7:13-14, 18, 27; Joel 3; Zech.14:1-5, 9 16-21; Mat.24:3, 29-31; 25:31-46; 2 Thes.1:7-10; 2:8; Jude 14-15; Rev.1:7; 19:11-16; 20:1-3).

Rapture = Before the 7 Yr Trib. When He comes back FOR the saints (1 Cor.15:23, 51-54; Jn.14:1-3; Lk.21:34-36; 2 Cor.5:1-8; Eph.5:27; Phil.3:11, 20-21; 1 Thes.2:19; 3:13; 4:13-17; 5:9, 23; 2 Thes.2:1, 7; Col.3:4; Jas.5:7-8; 1 Jn.2:28; 3:2; 1 Pt.5:4; Rev.4:1).