Rapture Survey for CFnetians

[RND]

7 year trib? Say what?

And after that, Nicolae Jetty Carpathia will sign a peace treaty with Israel, and Kurt Cameron will come and save the day!

I saw the movie.

 

[RND]

Will we leave our clothes behind us in a heap, or do our clothes go with us when we're caught up to meet the LORD in the air?

 

[XTruth]

Will we leave our clothes behind us in a heap, or do our clothes go with us when we're caught up to meet the LORD in the air?

Funny you should ask. Elijah had his cloak left behind when he was taken to be with the Lord (2 Ki.2:11-15). This is our only clue. I do believe our clothes will be left behind. In 2005, I had a tiny silver book (found inb jewlery mag) placed on a watch band. I then had 10 silver squares (like pages) placed inside w/ engravings and Bible verses. The first page says "Millions have vanished." It will catch the eyes of the person who finds it after the Rapture when millions had vanished. The Bible verses 1 Thes.4:16-17 and 1 Cor.15:51-52 are also on that page. That page alone will make them read all 10 pages since the one who disappeared knew he would disappear. The rest of the pages tell where we are, gives warnings, tells when and how we'll be coming back, and shows them how to be saved.

Watch out for Nicolae Jetty Carpathia! He's not a good boy!

Try reading these...
His Coming = 7 yrs after Rapture when He comes to earth WITH the saints (Isa.63:1-6; Dan.2:44-45; 7:13-14, 18, 27; Joel 3; Zech.14:1-5, 9 16-21; Mat.24:3, 29-31; 25:31-46; 2 Thes.1:7-10; 2:8; Jude 14-15; Rev.1:7; 19:11-16; 20:1-3).

Rapture = Before the 7 Yr Trib. When He comes back FOR the saints (1 Cor.15:23, 51-54; Jn.14:1-3; Lk.21:34-36; 2 Cor.5:1-8; Eph.5:27; Phil.3:11, 20-21; 1 Thes.2:19; 3:13; 4:13-17; 5:9, 23; 2 Thes.2:1, 7; Col.3:4; Jas.5:7-8; 1 Jn.2:28; 3:2; 1 Pt.5:4; Rev.4:1).

 

[RND]

Funny you should ask. Elijah had his cloak left behind when he was taken to be with the Lord (2 Ki.2:11-15). This is our only clue.

You mean we won't have our "robes" washed by the blood of the Lamb?

Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

I do believe our clothes will be left behind. In 2005, I had a tiny silver book (found inb jewlery mag) placed on a watch band. I then had 10 silver squares (like pages) placed inside w/ engravings and Bible verses. The first page says "Millions have vanished." It will catch the eyes of the person who finds it after the Rapture when millions had vanished. The Bible verses 1 Thes.4:16-17 and 1 Cor.15:51-52 are also on that page. That page alone will make them read all 10 pages since the one who disappeared knew he would disappear. The rest of the pages tell where we are, gives warnings, tells when and how we'll be coming back, and shows them how to be saved.

Wow! I guess that means "you'll" be savior of the world! I can see it as the "lead in" story on CNN and Faux News!

Watch out for Nicolae Jetty Carpathia! He's not a good boy!

Of course, he's a fictional character, just like all the "Left Behind" books. Absolute fiction. Of course the only one's that are real are the Jesuit plants in the "dispensational" movement.

Try reading these...
His Coming = 7 yrs after Rapture when He comes to earth WITH the saints (Isa.63:1-6; Dan.2:44-45; 7:13-14, 18, 27; Joel 3; Zech.14:1-5, 9 16-21; Mat.24:3, 29-31; 25:31-46; 2 Thes.1:7-10; 2:8; Jude 14-15; Rev.1:7; 19:11-16; 20:1-3).

Rapture = Before the 7 Yr Trib. When He comes back FOR the saints (1 Cor.15:23, 51-54; Jn.14:1-3; Lk.21:34-36; 2 Cor.5:1-8; Eph.5:27; Phil.3:11, 20-21; 1 Thes.2:19; 3:13; 4:13-17; 5:9, 23; 2 Thes.2:1, 7; Col.3:4; Jas.5:7-8; 1 Jn.2:28; 3:2; 1 Pt.5:4; Rev.4:1).

I have; more than once even. They say nothing of a "secret" rapture.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

What's the very next festival after the "Last Trump" of the Day of Atonement?

 

[Vic C.]

What's the very next festival after the "Last Trump" of the Day of Atonement?

Well, the very next festival after the "last trump" (Shofar, which occurs sometime during the onset of Rosh Hashanah) IS Yom Kippur. The festival after Yom Kippur is The Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot). All three of these, I believe, are closely related to the resurrection, gathering and second Coming of Messiah.

http://www.jewfaq.org/holiday2.htm

The shofar is a ram's horn which is blown somewhat like a trumpet. One of the most important observances of this holiday is hearing the sounding of the shofar in the synagogue. A total of 100 notes are sounded each day. There are four different types of shofar notes: tekiah, a 3 second sustained note; shevarim, three 1-second notes rising in tone, teruah, a series of short, staccato notes extending over a period of about 3 seconds; and tekiah gedolah (literally, "big tekiah"), the final blast in a set, which lasts (I think) 10 seconds minimum. The Bible gives no specific reason for this practice. One that has been suggested is that the shofar's sound is a call to repentance. The shofar is not blown if the holiday falls on Shabbat.

Aah, but the NT does allude to the reason for this practice of the blowing of the shofar. It is also interesting to note that the shofar isn't blown on Shabbat (weekly sabbath). Immediately, this verse came to mind:

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

I don't know is there is any connection or significance though.


ANYWAY, this is a thread comprising of a survey of your End Times positions and was not meant as a springboard for debating, unless you care to springboard into another thread. ...and Please, lets can the sarcastic tones in our posts. :gah

 

[RND]

What's the very next festival after the "Last Trump" of the Day of Atonement?

Well, the very next festival after the "last trump" (Shofar, which occurs sometime during the onset of Rosh Hashanah) IS Yom Kippur. The festival after Yom Kippur is The Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot). All three of these, I believe, are closely related to the resurrection, gathering and second Coming of Messiah.

http://www.jewfaq.org/holiday2.htm
[quote:131zl86b]The shofar is a ram's horn which is blown somewhat like a trumpet. One of the most important observances of this holiday is hearing the sounding of the shofar in the synagogue. A total of 100 notes are sounded each day. There are four different types of shofar notes: tekiah, a 3 second sustained note; shevarim, three 1-second notes rising in tone, teruah, a series of short, staccato notes extending over a period of about 3 seconds; and tekiah gedolah (literally, "big tekiah"), the final blast in a set, which lasts (I think) 10 seconds minimum. The Bible gives no specific reason for this practice. One that has been suggested is that the shofar's sound is a call to repentance. The shofar is not blown if the holiday falls on Shabbat.

Aah, but the NT does allude to the reason for this practice of the blowing of the shofar. It is also interesting to note that the shofar isn't blown on Shabbat (weekly sabbath). Immediately, this verse came to mind:

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

I don't know is there is any connection or significance though.


ANYWAY, this is a thread comprising of a survey of your End Times positions and was not meant as a springboard for debating, unless you care to springboard into another thread. ...and Please, lets can the sarcastic tones in our posts. :gah[/quote:131zl86b]

Vic, Yom Kippur IS the Day of Atonement. One and the same.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Funny you should ask. Elijah had his cloak left behind when he was taken to be with the Lord (2 Ki.2:11-15). This is our only clue.

You mean we won't have our "robes" washed by the blood of the Lamb?

Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Mt 22;12
And he saith unto him,Friend,how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment?And he was speechless.

 

[Vic C.]

Vic, Yom Kippur IS the Day of Atonement. One and the same.

Never said it wasn't, brother.

 

[RND]

Vic, Yom Kippur IS the Day of Atonement. One and the same.

Never said it wasn't, brother.

What was this then:

Well, the very next festival after the "last trump" (Shofar, which occurs sometime during the onset of Rosh Hashanah) IS Yom Kippur.

The "last trump" is blown for Yom Kippur.

 

[Vic C.]

No, there is no trump during Yom Kippur known as the Last Trump. The shofar blown during Yom Kippur is called "The Great Trump". The last trump blown at Rosh Hashanah is called "The Last Trump".

Your question:

What's the very next festival after the "Last Trump" of the Day of Atonement?

Is in err, all I did was made a clarification. ;)

Since the Last trump is actually blown at Rosh Hashanah and not Yom Kippur, the answer to your question is... Yom Kippur or The Day of Atonement.

 

[RND]

No, there is no trump during Yom Kippur known as the Last Trump. The shofar blown during Yom Kippur is called "The Great Trump". The last trump blown at Rosh Hashanah is called "The Last Trump".

Your question:

What's the very next festival after the "Last Trump" of the Day of Atonement?

Is in err, all I did was made a clarification. ;)

Since the Last trump is actually blown at Rosh Hashanah and not Yom Kippur, the answer to your question is... Yom Kippur or The Day of Atonement.

If the "last trump" was blown during the "Feast of Trumpets" there would be no need for another trumpet blast.

Lev 25:9 Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth [day] of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land. Lev 25:10 And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout [all] the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.

When that "last trumpet" was blown "liberty was proclaimed to all the captives!

Rosh Hashanah is not even a "Biblical" feast - it's "Talmudic." There is a huge difference between the "Jewish" or Talmudic" festival of the "Jewish New Year" and the feast of trumpets.

The feast of trumpets was symbolic of the entry of the Messiah into Israel, the "wedding feast of the lamb" if you will.

THE FEAST OF TRUMPETS IN OLD TESTAMENT TIMES - Samuele Bacchiocchi, Ph. D., Andrews University

 

[Vic C.]

Rosh Hashanah is not even a "Biblical" feast - it's "Talmudic." There is a huge difference between the "Jewish" or Talmudic" festival of the "Jewish New Year" and the feast of trumpets.

Absolutely, I'm fully aware of that. Nonetheless, the point I'm making is that the term "The Last Trump" gets it's name from the trump blown during Rosh Hashanah. I'm almost certain Paul knew this. We can't escape the fact that the early Jews relied on the Babylonian Talmud (it's oral tradition, of course) as well as the Septuagint. Both were held up as sacred. Plus, if you are going to dismiss anything coming from the Talmud, you will find remnants of it here and there in the NT. Revelation is one example. From the Talmud, we get the very Jewish "Book of Life".

Overall, there is a wealth of info here (below)commenting on the last trump and it's relationship to Rosh Hashanah.

link--> "Read all about it...!"

These three are pretty informative:

http://www.zimbio.com/Rosh+Hashana/arti ... enth+Trump

http://philologos.org/bpr/files/Jewish_Feasts/js002.htm

http://philologos.org/bpr/files/l002.htm

 

[RND]

Absolutely, I'm fully aware of that. Nonetheless, the point I'm making is that the term "The Last Trump" gets it's name from the trump blown during Rosh Hashanah. I'm almost certain Paul knew this. We can't escape the fact that the early Jews relied on the Babylonian Talmud (it's oral tradition, of course) as well as the Septuagint. Both were held up as sacred. Plus, if you are going to dismiss anything coming from the Talmud, you will find remnants of it here and there in the NT. Revelation is one example. From the Talmud, we get the very Jewish "Book of Life".

Overall, there is a wealth of info here (below)commenting on the last trump and it's relationship to Rosh Hashanah.

link--> "Read all about it...!"

These three are pretty informative:

http://www.zimbio.com/Rosh+Hashana/arti ... enth+Trump

http://philologos.org/bpr/files/Jewish_Feasts/js002.htm

http://philologos.org/bpr/files/l002.htm

Sorry Vic, I'm not a "rapturist."

The next festival, after the "last trump" is the feast of Tabernacles, Sukkoth or Succoth:

Exd 12:37 And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot [that were] men, beside children.

Cukkowth = or Cukkoth {sook-kohth'}; plural of 'cukkah' (5521); booths; Succoth, the name of a place in Egypt and of three in Palestine:-- Succoth.

Fits like a glove. And remember Vic, if it doesn't fit......

 

[Vic C.]

I give you proof, you give me OJ and verses that have nothing to do with the Fall feasts. :biglaugh They left from Rameses in the spring! The reference to Succoth, is referring to the first place they set up camp and their tents. Oy!

Whether or not you are a "rapturist" has nothing to do with what the ancient Jews called the horns in their festivals.

You just like to argue. You remind me of the title of Joe Walsh's live album way back in 1975.

I'd appreciate if we can PLEASE get back to the topic. <wipes brow>

 

[RND]

I give you proof, you give me OJ and verses that have nothing to do with the Fall feasts. :biglaugh They left from Rameses in the spring! The reference to Succoth, is referring to the first place they set up camp and their tents. Oy!

It's also has rich, deep and symbolic meaning Vic. The fact the left Egypt (sin) and began to tabernacle (redemption) is the whole plan of salvation in a tight, neat little package. A man as smart as you misses this?

Whether or not you are a "rapturist" has nothing to do with what the ancient Jews called the horns in their festivals.

Vic, I read the things you offered. In fact, I've read them before. I don't agree with them. I usually skip most of the goofy stuff dispensaltionist come up with.

You just like to argue. You remind me of the title of Joe Walsh's live album way back in 1975.

Maybe.

I'd appreciate if we can PLEASE get back to the topic. <wipes brow>

OK. But you change your mind faster than a woman. :crazy It wasn't too long ago you had the same view of the last trump. What changed?