Repulicans pushing official Ten Commandments weekend

[theLords]

It's all very well for me to sit here in Australia (well actually I'm currentliy in the UK but that's beside the point) and say that it's a "nice" thing to do, and a good gesture and what not. But our economy is chugging along quite nicely and we haven't been in recession for almost 20 years. But the US and the UK really do need to focus on spending money very wisely at this point, and I would think that more capital investment needs to be undertaken rather than awareness days.

I'm moving to Australia :yes

 

[Elijah674]

Romans:13
13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.

So this is saying what? That the Government could enforce Sunday Worship for USA, at least as a start return back to what the south still has, with blue laws being Bibical & OK?? --Elijah

 

[Pard]

Elijah, every state has blue laws, the question is whether or not they are enforced.

I see no problem with this. It's also hardly a waste of money, it's not like this bill is going to be pushed through in place of something important. I know this because a) they have enough common sense to realize that and b) nothing important is currently in the works. No money is being lost, because they are still getting paid, regardless of this bill's existence or not.

It doesn't conflict with anything int he bill of rights or in the congress' duties.

I hardly see where this is "propaganda". One of the things Republicans said that they'd do if they were elected was to bring back our roots and to give Christianity a proper place, in respect of the government's view of it. People ought to be applauding them for actually following through with a campaign promise. But it seems like that is something no one expects from politicians anymore...

 

[taromina2003]

Elijah, every state has blue laws, the question is whether or not they are enforced.

I see no problem with this. It's also hardly a waste of money, it's not like this bill is going to be pushed through in place of something important. I know this because a) they have enough common sense to realize that and b) nothing important is currently in the works. No money is being lost, because they are still getting paid, regardless of this bill's existence or not.

It doesn't conflict with anything int he bill of rights or in the congress' duties.

I hardly see where this is "propaganda". One of the things Republicans said that they'd do if they were elected was to bring back our roots and to give Christianity a proper place, in respect of the government's view of it. People ought to be applauding them for actually following through with a campaign promise. But it seems like that is something no one expects from politicians anymore...

Here is the problem with that kind of thinking IMO, as a Christian your point of view is idealic but as an American Christian in this day and age who is to say that our future politicians are going to be Christians? we may get an entirely different kind of religion walking the walls of congress and their religious agenda could become a reality and that is why I firmly believe in seperation of Church and State that is what makes this country so good and so free.

 

[Elijah674]

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Originally Posted by Pard
Elijah, every state has blue laws, the question is whether or not they are enforced.

I see no problem with this. It's also hardly a waste of money, it's not like this bill is going to be pushed through in place of something important. I know this because a) they have enough common sense to realize that and b) nothing important is currently in the works. No money is being lost, because they are still getting paid, regardless of this bill's existence or not.

It doesn't conflict with anything int he bill of rights or in the congress' duties.

I hardly see where this is "propaganda". One of the things Republicans said that they'd do if they were elected was to bring back our roots and to give Christianity a proper place, in respect of the government's view of it. People ought to be applauding them for actually following through with a campaign promise. But it seems like that is something no one expects from politicians anymore...

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Here is the problem with that kind of thinking IMO, as a Christian your point of view is idealic but as an American Christian in this day and age who is to say that our future politicians are going to be Christians? we may get an entirely different kind of religion walking the walls of congress and their religious agenda could become a reality and that is why I firmly believe in seperation of Church and State that is what makes this country so good and so free. [end of quote]

Elijah back with you:
God in NO way gives anyone force to get involved with His First table of Ten Commandments. Our duty to God alone, that of Worship! Even note at the start of the Church in Acts 5:27-29 would find 'ALL Diciples' (ibide 29) going against God in Rom. 13 if that was understood correctly which it is not. Rom. 13 was ONLY the Second table of stone's duty to [mankind], nothing to do with Worship!

Christ was His own Theocracy in the OT, and in the N.T. He left to heaven and a freedom loving Government took a part in our duty for mankind. Rom. 13 covers only our duty to mankind, read it!

Conditional as seperation of church & Caesar in the Worship of God Eternal Covenant FIRST table. (See Matt. 22:35-40) And this is why God has Blessed USA so far, huh? See Rev. 13:11 for the change from Lamb/like to dragon for where we are now being set up for!

--Elijah

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[Mike S]

Religion: Republicans pushing official 'Ten Commandments Weekend' - National Humanist | Examiner.com


Thoughts? opinions?

by the way is it me or is this site slow to load??

I see nothing wrong with this, it doesn't establish anything, it recognizes the contribution of, something.

That said, it's silly for Congress to engage in something that isn't a core government responsibility. I don't look to government for my sense of morality, nor to understand what to appreciate and not appreciate. I'll ignore this like I ignore all other national days/weekends/weeks/months of recognition.

 

[Mike]

I agree to the premise of a limited (very limited) government, but we cannot forget why these leaders are in the positions they are in. When their decisions aren't being Guided by the Lord, they will be pursuing their personal agenda. They will be determining right and wrong based on their own world view, not Him. We are subject to their GIVEN authority over us, but we all are subject to His Authority first. I don't see the concern of non-Christian leadership emerging as being a valid reason not to support legislation based on His Authority.

Romans 13
"<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-28253">1</sup> Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-28254">2</sup> Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-28255">3</sup> For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-28256">4</sup> For he is God’s servant to do you good."

Exodus 9
"<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-1756">13</sup> Then the LORD said to Moses, “Get up early in the morning, confront Pharaoh and say to him, ‘This is what the LORD, the God of the Hebrews, says: Let my people go, so that they may worship me, <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-1757">14</sup> or this time I will send the full force of my plagues against you and against your officials and your people, so you may know that there is no one like me in all the earth. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-1758">15</sup> For by now I could have stretched out my hand and struck you and your people with a plague that would have wiped you off the earth. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-1759">16</sup> But I have raised you up for this very purpose, that I might show you my power and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."

 

[Nick]

I'm moving to Australia :yes

You should totally do it. :D

Come join the Red Team! ;)

 

[childeye]

Errrrr, what?

Matthew 5:17 (KJV)
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

John 3:17 (KJV)
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Love fulfills the law in response to the first, and the law was given to condmen all men in sin. Your second scripture makes my point.

 

[handy]

My thoughts?

Must be gearing up for Election year...time for the Republicans to start pandering to the Christians.

Cynical, I know...but honestly, don't you Republicans ever get tired of politicians pandering to the right during campaign seasons, then doing pretty much absolutely nothing that reflect real Christian values the rest of the time?

Hopefully this question won't derail the thread, but I wonder...when was the last time someone voted for the Republican for any other reason than the fact that he or she wasn't the Democrat?

 

[Elijah674]

I agree to the premise of a limited (very limited) government, but we cannot forget why these leaders are in the positions they are in. When their decisions aren't being Guided by the Lord, they will be pursuing their personal agenda. They will be determining right and wrong based on their own world view, not Him. We are subject to their GIVEN authority over us, but we all are subject to His Authority first. I don't see the concern of non-Christian leadership emerging as being a valid reason not to support legislation based on His Authority.

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But you go from after Christ left Earth giving only His authority of our duty [ONLY] to mankind seen here in Rom. 13, to Caesar. Christ gave up His OT Theorocracy to Caesar. Yet, we still see the Virgin Church with full authority in Matt. 18:17-18. And both are given on CONDITION! See Rev. 2:5 + Caesar's due in Matt. Luke 20:25, Matt. 22:17-21 & NO mistake! See the third quote of Mark 12:14-17!
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Romans 13
"<SUP id=en-NIV1984-28253 class=versenum>1</SUP> Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. <SUP id=en-NIV1984-28254 class=versenum>2</SUP> Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. <SUP id=en-NIV1984-28255 class=versenum>3</SUP> For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. <SUP id=en-NIV1984-28256 class=versenum>4</SUP> For he is God’s servant to do you good."

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Now you are in the OT where Christ was His own Theorcracy, [GOVERNMENT!] He was with them to direct, LEAD + all else. He was in the Church IN THE WILDERNESS Stephen documented in the N.T. of Acts 7:38 + Paul in 1 Cor. 10:1-4! (cautioned not to be ignorant) There was NO Caesar to be incorporated in the Second table of God's Covenant while Christ was on earth. And NEVER IN THE WORSHIP SIDE OF THE FIRST FOUR!
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Exodus 9
"<SUP id=en-NIV1984-1756 class=versenum>13</SUP> Then the LORD said to Moses, “Get up early in the morning, confront Pharaoh and say to him, ‘This is what the LORD, the God of the Hebrews, says: Let my people go, so that they may worship me, <SUP id=en-NIV1984-1757 class=versenum>14</SUP> or this time I will send the full force of my plagues against you and against your officials and your people, so you may know that there is no one like me in all the earth. <SUP id=en-NIV1984-1758 class=versenum>15</SUP> For by now I could have stretched out my hand and struck you and your people with a plague that would have wiped you off the earth. <SUP id=en-NIV1984-1759 class=versenum>16</SUP> But I have raised you up for this very purpose, that I might show you my power and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."

Elijah here to just add that the Church is not Caesar or Caesar the Church. But when 666 is the issue, 'a' church will need Caesar who is about all ready set, to do 'their work', as with Christ's execution, they will CRY we have NO King but Caesar, huh? Eccl. 3:15

That even sounds like the thread title now.. 'WE NEED CAESAR TO PUSH THE REPUBLICAN CHURCH AGENDA FOR A 'OFFICIAL' TEN COMMANDMENT WEEKEND' ? (a law??)

 

[WIP]

My thoughts?

Must be gearing up for Election year...time for the Republicans to start pandering to the Christians.

Cynical, I know...but honestly, don't you Republicans ever get tired of politicians pandering to the right during campaign seasons, then doing pretty much absolutely nothing that reflect real Christian values the rest of the time?

Hopefully this question won't derail the thread, but I wonder...when was the last time someone voted for the Republican for any other reason than the fact that he or she wasn't the Democrat?

That's pretty much what I was eluding to. It's all about getting the vote and not really about anything valid. It's sad but that's what politics has become. It's no longer, maybe never really was, about honestly presenting one's political position and then letting the people decide which view they prefer. Instead, it's about saying and doing the right things based on what is perceived to be the desires of the voters regardless of once's belief or view only for the purpose of gaining the vote.

Once in office their true colors shine.

 

[Mike S]

I agree to the premise of a limited (very limited) government, but we cannot forget why these leaders are in the positions they are in. When their decisions aren't being Guided by the Lord, they will be pursuing their personal agenda. They will be determining right and wrong based on their own world view, not Him. We are subject to their GIVEN authority over us, but we all are subject to His Authority first. I don't see the concern of non-Christian leadership emerging as being a valid reason not to support legislation based on His Authority.

Romans 13
"<SUP id=en-NIV1984-28253 class=versenum>1</SUP> Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. <SUP id=en-NIV1984-28254 class=versenum>2</SUP> Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. <SUP id=en-NIV1984-28255 class=versenum>3</SUP> For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. <SUP id=en-NIV1984-28256 class=versenum>4</SUP> For he is God’s servant to do you good."

Exodus 9
"<SUP id=en-NIV1984-1756 class=versenum>13</SUP> Then the LORD said to Moses, “Get up early in the morning, confront Pharaoh and say to him, ‘This is what the LORD, the God of the Hebrews, says: Let my people go, so that they may worship me, <SUP id=en-NIV1984-1757 class=versenum>14</SUP> or this time I will send the full force of my plagues against you and against your officials and your people, so you may know that there is no one like me in all the earth. <SUP id=en-NIV1984-1758 class=versenum>15</SUP> For by now I could have stretched out my hand and struck you and your people with a plague that would have wiped you off the earth. <SUP id=en-NIV1984-1759 class=versenum>16</SUP> But I have raised you up for this very purpose, that I might show you my power and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."

I'm not so quick to assume that the government we have today is being guided by God. Perhaps the guidance God gives America is the wisdom of the founding fathers in establishing a government of limited, enumerated powers, knowing that the nature of man is to expand and abuse power. Today's American government is not inspired of God, but is a perversion of God's gift. If this government is God's will, it's a tool of discipline and punishment: "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."

We were warned at the founding of our country of the consequences of man's sinfulness, and of a time of declining morality.

"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." -- John Adams, 1798

What Adams spoke of is particularly true of a democratic republic such as ours, but is, in fact, true of ALL governments. Morality does not, and cannot come from government. When a people lose their morality, governments will respond with greater power and violence in an effort to maintain a civil society, and will ultimately fail. There is not enough power and force in the world to govern an immoral people.

Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. A foundational principle of small government of very few strictly limited enumerated powers is intended to hold off that corruption for as long as possible. But, as we see today, powerful, unprincipled men will ultimately corrupt any government.<O:p</O:p

 

[jasoncran]

I'm not so quick to assume that the government we have today is being guided by God. Perhaps the guidance God gives America is the wisdom of the founding fathers in establishing a government of limited, enumerated powers, knowing that the nature of man is to expand and abuse power. Today's American government is not inspired of God, but is a perversion of God's gift. If this government is God's will, it's a tool of discipline and punishment: "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."

We were warned at the founding of our country of the consequences of man's sinfulness, and of a time of declining morality.

"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." -- John Adams, 1798

What Adams spoke of is particularly true of a democratic republic such as ours, but is, in fact, true of ALL governments. Morality does not, and cannot come from government. When a people lose their morality, governments will respond with greater power and violence in an effort to maintain a civil society, and will ultimately fail. There is not enough power and force in the world to govern an immoral people.

Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. A foundational principle of small government of very few strictly limited enumerated powers is intended to hold off that corruption for as long as possible. But, as we see today, powerful, unprincipled men will ultimately corrupt any government.<O:p</O:p

sadly the well meaning tea partiers that are christians are being suckered by the republicans entering office.the only way small govt would work or rather smallest possible govt will work if said people were morallly governed by God, and looking at america, NOPE in general.

 

[Mike S]

sadly the well meaning tea partiers that are christians are being suckered by the republicans entering office.the only way small govt would work or rather smallest possible govt will work if said people were morallly governed by God, and looking at america, NOPE in general.

Precisely the point made by John Adams, and not the incoming leaders alone, but all of us must be morally governed by God. Government will work if we as a moral people are called to be morally self-governing in most things, and will fail if we are not. I see the wisdom of his statement more and more every day.

 

[Sam21]

sadly the well meaning tea partiers that are christians are being suckered by the republicans entering office.the only way small govt would work or rather smallest possible govt will work if said people were morallly governed by God, and looking at america, NOPE in general.

I am not a republician or democrat,however many of the republicians who have just been elected are trying to keep America from sinking financially.

 

[Mike]

My thoughts?

Must be gearing up for Election year...time for the Republicans to start pandering to the Christians.

Firstly, with 19 months until the election, I wouldn't agree that this is obviously somehow tied to it. Something like this will likely not be an issue by the time we get past the primaries and into the general election. Secondly, Republicans might trumpet issues like this and pander to their base, but Democrats are no less guilty of hooking theirs.

I'm not so quick to assume that the government we have today is being guided by God.

Good grief! I would agree completely that our leaders are generally guided by God. There might be a few. I tried to say they should avail themselves to be used for His Purpose. Pharaoh should have as well, but he didn't. One of my thoughts was that if our leaders are not looking to God for Truth, they will be legislating their own truth. Romans 13 tells us that we are to be subject to their authority, because He has placed them in authority over us. But the other part of that equation is that they need to be faithful carriers of this torch.

Relating this to the OP, IF they are accepting their rolls to be used for His Purpose, then it seems we should see more legislation like this that brings attention to His Word. Whether or not this is His Will, I don't know.

 

[Elijah674]

Exod.20

[1] And God spake all these words, saying,
[2] I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
[3] Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
[4] Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
[5] Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
[6] And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
[7] Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
[8] Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
[9] Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
[10] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
[11] For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

First of the two tables of the Stones four Commandment's are our duty to God [ALONE!] Matt. 22:35-40 say's Christ. And Caesar has NO jurisdiction with them!

[12] Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
[13] Thou shalt not kill.
[14] Thou shalt not commit adultery.
[15] Thou shalt not steal.
[16] Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
[17] Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

And the last six of the second table of stone are mandkinds duty to man, and Rom. 13 limits Caesar governing power in Rome 13 to these 6 alone! (You go read it) NEVER IS GOVERNMENT to place Gods WORD in Second place to any Government! But will USA do so? Surely, Rev. 13:11 has the Lamb/like USA called such because of her original Religous freedom, and she will change into a dragon of forced 666 worship of ex/church + state. And the two parties are being elected today by which ever way the 'winds' of Jude 11 blow!

--Elijah

PS: And 'It is time for thee to work Lord, for they have made Void thy Law'. See Matt. 24:21 for this present day time!