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Bible Study Revelation On Only One God The Father

Potluck John was in the Spirit on the Lords Day, and heard behind him a voice. Do you know that God put stumbling stones in the Word of God??
The fact that John didnt see who spoke them words makes it a circumstantial verse.

Rev 1:10-11
10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet,
11 saying, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last," and, "What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."
(NKJ)

There is no proof that it was Jesus' voice. Not when taking into account that Jesus said the Father is the only true God.

John 17:1-3
1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
(NKJ)

And even if them words were from Jesus. Was Jesus implying He is God.
When Jesus only spoke the words God gave Him to speak.

John 12:49-50
49 "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.
50 "And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak."
(NKJ)
 
you said:
God is the Alpha and the Omega.
Jesus is the first and the last.
Also:
There is no proof that it was Jesus' voice.


Ok.
If it was God's voice then He is declaring to be Jesus also. Either way, whichever speaks the words still declares to be the other. Each is one and the same, no matter who speaks the words of rev 22:13, "I am the Alpha and the Omega", "The first and the last".

Who spoke those words Squeaky?
 
you said:
And even if them words were from Jesus. Was Jesus implying He is God.
When Jesus only spoke the words God gave Him to speak.

Was Jesus implying He is God
No, He wasn't implying. He was telling us. I AM the Alpha and the Omega. I AM the first and the last.

When Jesus only spoke the words God gave Him to speak.
Yes, Jesus was God incarnate while in the flesh and spoke the words of the Father. There is no such claim to that necessity in Revelation but only while Jesus was with us.
 
Potluck well I guess we both came up with different conclusions then.
So your saying that Jesus wasnt telling us the truth here???

John 17:1-3

1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
(NKJ)

and your saying that Paul lied to us.

1 Cor 8:6
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
(NKJ)
 
Who spoke those words in rev 22:13 Squeaky?
If you don't know just tell us and we'll go from there.
 
Potluck what is said after the resurrection is in a different context than what was said before the resurrection.
We are to live by and follow the example of what was said before the resurrection. I will answer your question right after you answer mine.
Who is speaking here, and who is he calling the only true God????

John 17:1-3

1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
(NKJ)
 
Let's continue that a little further.

John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.


you said;
Who is speaking here

God, in the flesh, had the devine mission, that of a perfect sacrifice by Jewish law, the Law of Moses, to offer the free gift of salvation to all who would believe on Him. We are not worthy by works or otherwise to be in the presence of God so God in His wisdom came to us instead, through Christ Jesus.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?


You said:
We are to live by and follow the example of what was said before the resurrection.

We live for, have faith in and follow the risen Christ. For had He not risen then Jesus would not have been the Christ. To say we are to ignore what was said after the ressurection is to invalidate His devine work on the cross. Had He NOT risen there would be no hope or cause to profess Jesus as The Christ. Your words are exactly what Satan would have us to do, to keep our eyes away from the cross, away from the saving work of Christ on the cross... to go back to the way it was before Christ died, was buried and rose again.
Had He NOT risen He would have been just a man.

You said:
I will answer your question right after you answer mine.

Please follow through.
 
potluck you said
God, in the flesh, had the devine mission, that of a perfect sacrifice by Jewish law, the Law of Moses, to offer the free gift of salvation to all who would believe on Him. We are not worthy by works or otherwise to be in the presence of God so God in His wisdom came to us instead, through Christ Jesus.

I said
That is what I though. You either cant see the truth, or the spirits in you have you blind. It says Jesus spoke these words. Very simple isnt it. Who did He say them to , and said:"Father". You havent answered my question correctly yet.

John 17:1

1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
(NKJ)
 
potluck you said
God, in the flesh, had the devine mission, that of a perfect sacrifice by Jewish law, the Law of Moses, to offer the free gift of salvation to all who would believe on Him. We are not worthy by works or otherwise to be in the presence of God so God in His wisdom came to us instead, through Christ Jesus.

I said
That is what I though. You either cant see the truth, or the spirits in you have you blind. It says Jesus spoke these words. Very simple isnt it. Who did He say them to , and said:"Father". You havent answered my question correctly yet. Try again.

John 17:1

1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
(NKJ)
 
You said:
God is the Alpha and the Omega
Jesus is the first and the last

Scripture said:
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

I said:
Who spoke these words?

You said:
I will answer your question right after you answer mine.

I did

I said:
Please follow through

Who spoke those words in Rev 22:13?
 
Potluck you havent answered my question yet. I will give you a hint. Jesus said it to the Father. Now repeat after me. Jesus said the Father is the only true God.

John 17:1-3

1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
(NKJ)
 
It's quite apparent you worship another Christ and profess another gospel. Your obvious rebellion against the deity of Christ of christianity declares your need to teach a different Jesus. You wish only to address the scripture that upholds your own beliefs and dismiss all other scripture, even that spoken in authority, as circumstancial.

Your total refusal to answer the question put to you by others then by me with an attempt to do a tap dance around the question put to you, your attempts to sidestep your dilemma, shows you can not for do so would leave grounds of irrefutable rebutal toward your revelations of another Christ.

You were asked if you ascribed to the Oneness Pentecostal theology.

James1979 said:
Squeakybro,

May I ask you? Are you a Oneness?
Click to expand...

This you did not answer either.

Many questions have been put to you that have gone unanswered. Instead we get more of your so-called revelation as a smokescreen to elude the inquires you wish not to address.
 
Potluck you said
It's quite apparent you worship another Christ and profess another gospel. Your obvious rebellion against the deity of Christ of christianity declares your need to teach a different Jesus. You wish only to address the scripture that upholds your own beliefs and dismiss all other scripture, even that spoken in authority, as circumstancial.

I said
Wait aminute. Didnt you refuse to answer my question with truth. Didnt you dismiss my verses in favor of your own agenda. Your post here is an oxymoron.
 
Squeaky,
It's interesting you focus on an answer given that doesn't suit you rather than my post that you are promoting another Jesus and another gospel. This not only reveals the motivation to argue but a direct violation of forum rule #8.

Rule 8 - No Promotion of Other Religions:
You will not post any messages; links, images or photos that promote a religion or belief other than mainstream Christianity (atheism is considered a "belief" for the purposes of this rule). Debates of these doctrines are fine, as long as the beliefs are not actively promoted. This is a Christian Forums as the name suggest. If you cannot abide with this, please do not use our site.

I'm shutting this down. Your promotion of another christ and another gospel is ended.
 
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