Reward?

[Vic C.]

Vic, how did I over water ? You are continuing being evasive.

Check your PM's. 8-)

 

[SputnikBoy]

Solo, good job on the reference material (saves me a lot of work).

[quote="merry Menagerie":9c57a]It fits in mine perfectly Sputnik! Again with the assumptions there friend

It's pretty much the only thing Sputnik does. I'm beginning to wonder if he/she owns a Bible.

I'm a 'he', by the way ...SputnikBOY ...get it? Well, kwag, I DO own a Bible and I can and DO argue my beliefs with the Bible as my guide on a regular basis. The difference between Solo and I, however, is that I don't need to present 'oodles' of scriptures to 'prove' a point when one or two consistently appropriate scriptures will suffice. Oh, in addition to the Bible God ALSO gave me a brain with which to reason out and debate the pertinent points!

An elder in my church puts it like this; at the final judgement, some of those who did their own thing "for God" will come out smelling like smoke!

Well, kwag, what arrogance I see in that quote. Hopefully you and your elder will be there to gloat! Shame on you both![/quote:9c57a]

 

[cj]

Well, kwag, what arrogance I see in that quote. Hopefully you and your elder will be there to gloat! Shame on you both!

What the scripture says is what it says; some will suffer further discipline.

What is not realized is that this "some" will be a great majority (including any who "gloat" over the weakness of others).

And be clear, in a sense the suffering/disciplining will start in the final years of the tribulation period.


In love,
cj

 

[joyinhim]

Well, kwag, what arrogance I see in that quote. Hopefully you and your elder will be there to gloat! Shame on you both!

What the scripture says is what it says; some will suffer further discipline.

What is not realized is that this "some" will be a great majority (including any who "gloat" over the weakness of others).

And be clear, in a sense the suffering/disciplining will start in the final years of the tribulation period.


In love,
cj

People who mislead others or misrepresent Him will be in grave danger making Him angry. I will never be in their shoes.

I would rather encourge fellow believers to bo obedient to Him than giving them false assurance.

In Truth,
joy

 

[cj]

People who mislead others or misrepresent Him will be in grave danger making Him angry. I will never be in their shoes.

To say "I will never..." is to fool yourself.

Or in other words, misrepresent yourself and thus possibly mislead people.

And if you call yourself a Christian you in fact will be doing this misrepresenting/misleading under the guise of being something that you are not "being" at that moment.

Jesus calles this hypocrisy.

I would rather encourge fellow believers to bo obedient to Him than giving them false assurance.

But in your "encouragement" is a false assurance of misleading a person into possibly believeing they can be obedient in and of themself.

In Truth,

I wonder if you know what truth really is.

In love,
cj

 

[joyinhim]

People who mislead others or misrepresent Him will be in grave danger making Him angry. I will never be in their shoes.

To say "I will never..." is to fool yourself.

Or in other words, misrepresent yourself and thus possibly mislead people.

And if you call yourself a Christian you in fact will be doing this misrepresenting/misleading under the guise of being something that you are not "being" at that moment.

Jesus calles this hypocrisy.

I would rather encourge fellow believers to bo obedient to Him than giving them false assurance.

But in your "encouragement" is a false assurance of misleading a person into possibly believeing they can be obedient in and of themself.

In Truth,

I wonder if you know what truth really is.

In love,
cj

Cj, we all have convictions, I speak mine and you speak yours. We just have to wait and see His judgement. meanwhile I will keep on speaking my convictions. :D

 

[cj]

Cj, we all have convictions, I speak mine and you speak yours. We just have to wait and see His judgement. meanwhile I will keep on speaking my convictions. :D

The problem is, when you call your "conviction" the truth of God and try to convince others that it is.

As far as I can see from what is written on this board no one is telling you to stop speaking what you believe you know.

What you are being told is that perhaps what you think you know is simply not truth.


In love,
cj

 

[joyinhim]

Cj, we all have convictions, I speak mine and you speak yours. We just have to wait and see His judgement. meanwhile I will keep on speaking my convictions. :D

The problem is, when you call your "conviction" the truth of God and try to convince others that it is.

As far as I can see from what is written on this board no one is telling you to stop speaking what you believe you know.

What you are being told is that perhaps what you think you know is simply not truth.


In love,

te]

Hi cj, I still repeat the same, We have to wait on His judgement. We both can not be right.

What I meant was I will never practice and preach the way you do. :D

In His whole truth
joy.

 

[PHIL121]

Speaking of PM's vic, did you still want that article by David Wilkerson?

You never did PM me about it.

 

[Vic C.]

1- PM on the way Phil

2-

People who mislead others or misrepresent Him will be in grave danger making Him angry. I will never be in their shoes.

To say "I will never..." is to fool yourself.

Or in other words, misrepresent yourself and thus possibly mislead people.

And if you call yourself a Christian you in fact will be doing this misrepresenting/misleading under the guise of being something that you are not "being" at that moment.

Jesus calles this hypocrisy.

cj is correct here. Take a cue from James Bond... "Never say never". 8-)

 

[joyinhim]

1- PM on the way Phil

2-

People who mislead others or misrepresent Him will be in grave danger making Him angry. I will never be in their shoes.

To say "I will never..." is to fool yourself.

Or in other words, misrepresent yourself and thus possibly mislead people.

And if you call yourself a Christian you in fact will be doing this misrepresenting/misleading under the guise of being something that you are not "being" at that moment.

Jesus calles this hypocrisy.

cj is correct here. Take a cue from James Bond... "Never say never". 8-)

Vic, what I meant was I would never practice and preach they way they do. NEVER EVER ! :D

 

[cj]

Hi cj, I still repeat the same, We have to wait on His judgement. We both can not be right.

What I meant was I will never practice and preach the way you do. :D

In His whole truth
joy.

Joy,

Please understand that I am not against you.

Sometimes,..... okay, a lot of the time..... (almost always)..... I'm strong in my speaking. But I'm this way because I love the Lord and I love His building work in the His body.

I hope you can know this.

Concerning being right about something,....... this is a poor concept to have since you are not yet perfected to the extent of knowing right from wrong.

What is proper speaking for a believer is pursuing life rather than death.

How you "preach" is neither here nor there, for a believer's "preaching", if it is in truth, is in the Lord and thus is Him speaking/preaching.

And regarding the judgement of believers,..... there is no judgement in the sense that I believe you are suggesting.

What remains for believers is a loss of reward and in this loss, further discipline.

Christ has done all the work of redemption necessary in God's eyes. What is needed is His application of this finished work into the tripartite being of those who would believe.

The age of grace has been given to believers for just this reason, so that Christ my work Himself into each of us. And how He does this is by utilizing both the inward life we have received upon believing and the outward circumstances we encounter during our lifetime on this earth.

Unfortunately not all who believe will allow themselves to be fully opened up by the Lord to the working out of His desire in us, and thus some will pass on without having completed the course of perfection He had laid out for each of us.

Scripture tells us that all the saints/believers will be perfect at the time of the new creation, and this equal status must be gained,...... but how, and when?

The answer is during the millennium reign of the Lord.

In His parable about the ten virgins Jesus tells us this.

All ten virgins are saved believers as they have oil in their lamps to begin with; the meaning of which we can know as scripture tells us that the spirit of a man is likened unto a lamp, and oil in the scriptures represents the Spirit of God. Being that only a regenerated spirit can contain the Spirit of God, these virgins must have been saved/regenerated believers.

What takes place is that these believers fell asleep (died) and when the shout of the Bridegroom's approach was made (the herald of Jesus at His open return to earth), those believers who had be prudent to carry as much "oil" in their containers as they could, having bought from the sellers (paid a price/suffered) these were able to go forth and meet the Bridegroom for the wedding feast (note,... not the wedding). The remaining virgins who needed more "oil" were locked out of the wedding feast, and more, suffered in a place where there was the gnashing of teeth (great regret).

Now if we had no other scriptures we might say that the virgins who were locked out of the wedding feast never made it to the wedding,.... but thankfully we have many other related scriptures that give us the full view of what takes place; which is, these believers suffer for a time and then having been perfected in their suffering, are brought back into the body to become the one bride of the Lord on His wedding day.



Vic,...

I've not researched deeply on the matter (only seemed to have read somewhere about it), but you might be able to tell me for sure, in the way of Jewish tradition, was there a wedding feast before the wedding took place?


In love,
cj

 

[Vic C.]

Vic,...

I've not researched deeply on the matter (only seemed to have read somewhere about it), but you might be able to tell me for sure, in the way of Jewish tradition, was there a wedding feast before the wedding took place?

In love,
cj

Ooh, I touched on this in the End Times Forum. I must tell you that researching Jewish customs concerning weddings changed the way I understand the Parable. Here ya go...

A Jewish marriage was made up of three stages, usually over a period of time. First there was the pre-arranged engagement. (sort of like the "pre-arranged" covenent between God and Israel)

Then there is a formalizing of the engagement, called a Betrothal. It is a ceremony where vows are exchanged. After this was a period of a year or two where the couple would still live apart, with the "bride" still living with her parents. (consider Israel as still "seperated" from her bridegroom or "messiah". yes, I said her. throughout the Bible, Israel is referred to as she, her, woman, harlot, etc.)

Finally there is the marriage supper. This supper was usually held at night. The groom and His friends would go to the home of the bride and escort her to his father's house, where there was a group waiting for the festivities. This is when the actual wedding contract would be signed. There is another part to all this...

After all this, the bride would remain alone for seven days. She would then return to the group and her veil is removed, finally revealing her to everyone. (note seven days=one week=seven years in prophetic terms. It isn't until after Daniel's 70th. week that the remnant of Israel is saved)

 

[joyinhim]

Hi cj, I still repeat the same, We have to wait on His judgement. We both can not be right.

What I meant was I will never practice and preach the way you do. :D

In His whole truth
joy.

Joy,

Please understand that I am not against you.

Sometimes,..... okay, a lot of the time..... (almost always)..... I'm strong in my speaking. But I'm this way because I love the Lord and I love His building work in the His body.

I hope you can know this.

Concerning being right about something,....... this is a poor concept to have since you are not yet perfected to the extent of knowing right from wrong.

What is proper speaking for a believer is pursuing life rather than death.

How you "preach" is neither here nor there, for a believer's "preaching", if it is in truth, is in the Lord and thus is Him speaking/preaching.

And regarding the judgement of believers,..... there is no judgement in the sense that I believe you are suggesting.

What remains for believers is a loss of reward and in this loss, further discipline.

Christ has done all the work of redemption necessary in God's eyes. What is needed is His application of this finished work into the tripartite being of those who would believe.

The age of grace has been given to believers for just this reason, so that Christ my work Himself into each of us. And how He does this is by utilizing both the inward life we have received upon believing and the outward circumstances we encounter during our lifetime on this earth.

Unfortunately not all who believe will allow themselves to be fully opened up by the Lord to the working out of His desire in us, and thus some will pass on without having completed the course of perfection He had laid out for each of us.

Scripture tells us that all the saints/believers will be perfect at the time of the new creation, and this equal status must be gained,...... but how, and when?

The answer is during the millennium reign of the Lord.

In His parable about the ten virgins Jesus tells us this.

All ten virgins are saved believers as they have oil in their lamps to begin with; the meaning of which we can know as scripture tells us that the spirit of a man is likened unto a lamp, and oil in the scriptures represents the Spirit of God. Being that only a regenerated spirit can contain the Spirit of God, these virgins must have been saved/regenerated believers.

What takes place is that these believers fell asleep (died) and when the shout of the Bridegroom's approach was made (the herald of Jesus at His open return to earth), those believers who had be prudent to carry as much "oil" in their containers as they could, having bought from the sellers (paid a price/suffered) these were able to go forth and meet the Bridegroom for the wedding feast (note,... not the wedding). The remaining virgins who needed more "oil" were locked out of the wedding feast, and more, suffered in a place where there was the gnashing of teeth (great regret).

Now if we had no other scriptures we might say that the virgins who were locked out of the wedding feast never made it to the wedding,.... but thankfully we have many other related scriptures that give us the full view of what takes place; which is, these believers suffer for a time and then having been perfected in their suffering, are brought back into the body to become the one bride of the Lord on His wedding day.



Vic,...

I've not researched deeply on the matter (only seemed to have read somewhere about it), but you might be able to tell me for sure, in the way of Jewish tradition, was there a wedding feast before the wedding took place?


In love,
cj

cj,

I love Jesus and am serving the Lord with all my might too.

I don't agree with your interpretaion.

But most of all, I am protesting pathetic, half-hearted Christianity. We have such a huge Christian community without much God in us. Have you ever thought of that?

We are supposed to encourage each other to be powerful for the Lord. Why aren't spiritual leaders succeeding?

Jesus tells us to be salt and light in the world.

Do you ever think about His warnings?

There are ways to improve but pastors aren't doing it.

It's because if they talk about the whole truth of His teaching they will lose most of the congregation, because most of them are not intersted in following all of His teachings.

Do you think we are saved with this kind of mentality about the Lord and Christianity?

 

[Merry Menagerie]

So much attention being paid to everyone else - joyinhim. Have you considered that you may need to look at yourself?

 

[Solo]

Hi cj, I still repeat the same, We have to wait on His judgement. We both can not be right.

What I meant was I will never practice and preach the way you do. :D

In His whole truth
joy.

Joy,

Please understand that I am not against you.

Sometimes,..... okay, a lot of the time..... (almost always)..... I'm strong in my speaking. But I'm this way because I love the Lord and I love His building work in the His body.

I hope you can know this.

Concerning being right about something,....... this is a poor concept to have since you are not yet perfected to the extent of knowing right from wrong.

What is proper speaking for a believer is pursuing life rather than death.

How you "preach" is neither here nor there, for a believer's "preaching", if it is in truth, is in the Lord and thus is Him speaking/preaching.

And regarding the judgement of believers,..... there is no judgement in the sense that I believe you are suggesting.

What remains for believers is a loss of reward and in this loss, further discipline.

Christ has done all the work of redemption necessary in God's eyes. What is needed is His application of this finished work into the tripartite being of those who would believe.

The age of grace has been given to believers for just this reason, so that Christ my work Himself into each of us. And how He does this is by utilizing both the inward life we have received upon believing and the outward circumstances we encounter during our lifetime on this earth.

Unfortunately not all who believe will allow themselves to be fully opened up by the Lord to the working out of His desire in us, and thus some will pass on without having completed the course of perfection He had laid out for each of us.

Scripture tells us that all the saints/believers will be perfect at the time of the new creation, and this equal status must be gained,...... but how, and when?

The answer is during the millennium reign of the Lord.

In His parable about the ten virgins Jesus tells us this.

All ten virgins are saved believers as they have oil in their lamps to begin with; the meaning of which we can know as scripture tells us that the spirit of a man is likened unto a lamp, and oil in the scriptures represents the Spirit of God. Being that only a regenerated spirit can contain the Spirit of God, these virgins must have been saved/regenerated believers.

What takes place is that these believers fell asleep (died) and when the shout of the Bridegroom's approach was made (the herald of Jesus at His open return to earth), those believers who had be prudent to carry as much "oil" in their containers as they could, having bought from the sellers (paid a price/suffered) these were able to go forth and meet the Bridegroom for the wedding feast (note,... not the wedding). The remaining virgins who needed more "oil" were locked out of the wedding feast, and more, suffered in a place where there was the gnashing of teeth (great regret).

Now if we had no other scriptures we might say that the virgins who were locked out of the wedding feast never made it to the wedding,.... but thankfully we have many other related scriptures that give us the full view of what takes place; which is, these believers suffer for a time and then having been perfected in their suffering, are brought back into the body to become the one bride of the Lord on His wedding day.



Vic,...

I've not researched deeply on the matter (only seemed to have read somewhere about it), but you might be able to tell me for sure, in the way of Jewish tradition, was there a wedding feast before the wedding took place?


In love,
cj

cj,

I love Jesus and am serving the Lord with all my might too.

I don't agree with your interpretaion.

But most of all, I am protesting pathetic, half-hearted Christianity. We have such a huge Christian community without much God in us. Have you ever thought of that?

We are supposed to encourage each other to be powerful for the Lord. Why aren't spiritual leaders succeeding?

Jesus tells us to be salt and light in the world.

Do you ever think about His warnings?

There are ways to improve but pastors aren't doing it.

It's because if they talk about the whole truth of His teaching they will lose most of the congregation, because most of them are not intersted in following all of His teachings.

Do you think we are saved with this kind of mentality about the Lord and Christianity?

It appears that you lack the fellowship of other believers. I have been saved for 22 years and have yet to ride the negative pony as you do. I suspect you failure to see the truth of God being preached and practiced is due to your lack of being in the right place physically and spiritually. Not once have I seen any post of yours preach anything close to the fruits of the Spirit of God. You seem to have bitterness and contention guiding your walk, and I can assure you, that I see no fruit of the Spirit in any of your posts.

 

[joyinhim]

solo,

You are certainly entitled to belittle me as much as you want. But you cannot keep my mouth shut. :angel:

 

[Solo]

solo,

You are certainly entitled to belittle me as much as you want. But you cannot keep my mouth shut. :angel:

I am not belittling you, I am giving you the discernment that I have on your current condition and what is causing it. I suspect that your mouth won't shut long enough for your ears to listen, and that is probably 99% of your problem.

 

[Merry Menagerie]

I agree with Solo.

 

[joyinhim]

solo, I tryed to put you on the ignore list but I could not

Anyway, you keeping belittling me and I will keep on speaking.

You sure know how to make yourself look superior. :-?

We have real Judge coming very soon.