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Riddle of Armageddon Meaning Solved: Solution Hiding in Plain Sight.

I can't reply to this if you are not going to read what I wrote including the scriptures pertaining to all of this.

I do not believe in a pretrib rapture of the Church. It's found nowhere in scripture no matter how many try to twist scriptures to teach this false doctrine.
"Below disproves what you say about a literal 1000 years just to test the billions of people unsaved who survived Armageddon etc., and repopulate the earth."

No, it did not because your claim unsaved and unjudged people don't survive Aramageddon is incorrect.

Christ's millennial kingdom is populated by unsaved people who bear children:

20 "No more shall an infant from there live but a few days, Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days; For the child shall die one hundred years old, But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed.
21 They shall build houses and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22 They shall not build and another inhabit; They shall not plant and another eat; For as the days of a tree, so shall be the days of My people, And My elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labor in vain, Nor bring forth children for trouble; For they shall be the descendants of the blessed of the LORD, And their offspring with them.
24 "It shall come to pass That before they call, I will answer; And while they are still speaking, I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, The lion shall eat straw like the ox, And dust shall be the serpent's food. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain," Says the LORD. (Isa. 65:20-25 NKJ)

And the church will be kings and priests reigning overthem, during this time:

Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. (Rev. 20:6 NKJ)

So where did these people come from? The church, having resurrected bodies like Christ's, are like angels and don't marry or reproduce. Nor would they begin sinning and die.

So where did these people come from?

Your theories about the end time don't fit the Scripture revelation 100%, that makes them wrong.

Therefore, we can conclude the 1000 year reign of Christ exists not only to fulfill all the unfulfilled prophecies in the OT regarding Israel and the Gentiles, but also because billions of people survived Armageddon and rather than kill all of them, God lets the just among them into Christ's Kingdom.

But that doesn't save them, They repopulate the earth, and if they begin sinning they are immeditely cast into the fire. After a thousand years, all of them are tested and then they are judged, before the dead in Hades are raised up and judged:

7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison
8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.
9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. (Rev. 20:7-15 NKJ)
 
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"Below disproves what you say about a literal 1000 years just to test the billions of people unsaved who survived Armageddon etc., and repopulate the earth."

No, it did not because your claim unsaved and unjudged people don't survive Aramageddon is incorrect.

Christ's millennial kingdom is populated by unsaved people who bear children:

20 "No more shall an infant from there live but a few days, Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days; For the child shall die one hundred years old, But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed.
21 They shall build houses and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22 They shall not build and another inhabit; They shall not plant and another eat; For as the days of a tree, so shall be the days of My people, And My elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labor in vain, Nor bring forth children for trouble; For they shall be the descendants of the blessed of the LORD, And their offspring with them.
24 "It shall come to pass That before they call, I will answer; And while they are still speaking, I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, The lion shall eat straw like the ox, And dust shall be the serpent's food. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain," Says the LORD. (Isa. 65:20-25 NKJ)

And the church will be kings and priests reigning overthem, during this time:

Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. (Rev. 20:6 NKJ)

So where did these people come from? The church, having resurrected bodies like Christ's, are like angels and don't marry or reproduce. Nor would they begin sinning and die.

So where did these people come from?

Your theories about the end time don't fit the Scripture revelation 100%, that makes them wrong.

Therefore, we can conclude the 1000 year reign of Christ exists not only to fulfill all the unfulfilled prophecies in the OT regarding Israel and the Gentiles, but also because billions of people survived Armageddon and rather than kill all of them, God lets the just among them into Christ's Kingdom.

But that doesn't save them, They repopulate the earth, and if they begin sinning they are immeditely cast into the fire. After a thousand years, all of them are tested and then they are judged, before the dead in Hades are raised up and judged:

7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison
8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.
9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. (Rev. 20:7-15 NKJ)
This is what I am trying to get you to see that you need the full context of what has been written in the scriptures as this has nothing to do with the battle of Armageddon. You have to start at Isaiah 65:1-25 to understand this is talking about the New Heavens and a New Earth also found in Rev 21.
 
"Below disproves what you say about a literal 1000 years just to test the billions of people unsaved who survived Armageddon etc., and repopulate the earth."

No, it did not because your claim unsaved and unjudged people don't survive Aramageddon is incorrect.

Christ's millennial kingdom is populated by unsaved people who bear children:

20 "No more shall an infant from there live but a few days, Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days; For the child shall die one hundred years old, But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed.
21 They shall build houses and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22 They shall not build and another inhabit; They shall not plant and another eat; For as the days of a tree, so shall be the days of My people, And My elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labor in vain, Nor bring forth children for trouble; For they shall be the descendants of the blessed of the LORD, And their offspring with them.
24 "It shall come to pass That before they call, I will answer; And while they are still speaking, I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, The lion shall eat straw like the ox, And dust shall be the serpent's food. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain," Says the LORD. (Isa. 65:20-25 NKJ)
I answered this in post #22
And the church will be kings and priests reigning overthem, during this time:

Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. (Rev. 20:6 NKJ)

So where did these people come from? The church, having resurrected bodies like Christ's, are like angels and don't marry or reproduce. Nor would they begin sinning and die.

So where did these people come from?
Scripture never speaks of two resurrections, but only one resurrection, John 5:28, 29 and a second death being that of death and hell (grave) being cast into the lake of fire, Rev 20:14, 15. There are two separate judgements, but only one resurrection as all will occur at the same time at the Great White Throne Judgement then will God renew the heaven and earth and usher down the New Jerusalem.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
 
This is what I am trying to get you to see that you need the full context of what has been written in the scriptures as this has nothing to do with the battle of Armageddon. You have to start at Isaiah 65:1-25 to understand this is talking about the New Heavens and a New Earth also found in Rev 21.
Impossible. People sin and die accursed. They Bear children. That doesn't happen in the New Heavens and New Earth.

Lifespans are eternal in the New Heavens, here they are "as the day of a tree".

20 "No more shall an infant from there live but a few days, Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days; For the child shall die one hundred years old, But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed.
21 They shall build houses and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22 They shall not build and another inhabit; They shall not plant and another eat; For as the days of a tree, so shall be the days of My people, And My elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labor in vain, Nor bring forth children for trouble; For they shall be the descendants of the blessed of the LORD, And their offspring with them.
24 "It shall come to pass That before they call, I will answer; And while they are still speaking, I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, The lion shall eat straw like the ox, And dust shall be the serpent's food. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain," Says the LORD. (Isa. 65:20-25 NKJ)

Either we believe what scripture says, or we invent theories to believe. I know what I choose.
 
When Christ returns and we are caught up to Him, Matthew 24:29-31; 1Thessalonians 4:13-18; what will be the purpose of another literal 1000 years? Do you think it will take 1000 years for Christ to destroy His enemies and make new this heaven and earth again, 2Peter 3:10-12; Rev 21:1-2; Rev 19:11-21?
No, but it is determined to have Satan locked up for 1000 years, that's what is written in Rev. 20, and I don't doubt it.
 
In the video I propose another reason, the endtime UFO invasion will begin from beneath the sea, USO's will startle the earth rising from the oceans to display themselves in our skies.
Gotta admit that's certainly a 'novel' understanding of the the 'beast that rises up out of the sea'.
 
Gotta admit that's certainly a 'novel' understanding of the the 'beast that rises up out of the sea'.
The Revived Roman Empire, 10 horn version of the Fourth beast of Daniel, rises from the "sea of spiritism", but I didn't confuse it with USO, Unidentified Submerged Objects.

I refer to the "strong delusion" of 2 Thessalonians, Ancient Alien Theory symbolized by "flying frogs" from the Big Lie propagranda of the Dragon, Beast and False Prophet.

13 And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs;
14 for they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them together for the war of the great day of God, the Almighty. (Rev. 16:13-14 NAU)

The most likely "appearance" of a massive UFO fleet, is first from under our own seas.

While Bible Believers realize the aliens are a manifestation of the paranormal, evil spirits in disguise...nothing new, I fear the "corporeality" of those who God permits appear in the end time, will surprise many and cause those weak in their faith to have a "knee jerk" reaction and believe they are "really aliens".

Anyone reading Genesis 18 should realize angels can be very physical in our realm, if God permits it:

1 Now the LORD appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day.
2 When he lifted up his eyes and looked, behold, three men were standing opposite him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them and bowed himself to the earth,
3 and said, "My lord, if now I have found favor in your sight, please do not pass your servant by.
4 "Please let a little water be brought and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree;
5 and I will bring a piece of bread, that you may refresh yourselves; after that you may go on, since you have visited your servant." And they said, "So do, as you have said."
6 So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah, and said, "Quickly, prepare three measures of fine flour, knead it and make bread cakes."
7 Abraham also ran to the herd, and took a tender and choice calf and gave it to the servant, and he hurried to prepare it.
8 He took curds and milk and the calf which he had prepared, and placed it before them; and he was standing by them under the tree as they ate. (Gen. 18:1-8 NAU)
 
No, but it is determined to have Satan locked up for 1000 years, that's what is written in Rev. 20, and I don't doubt it.
You see it as literal and I see it as being symbolic in the numbering. When Christ returns and we are then caught up with Him for all eternity why would God make us wait for another 1000 years before restoring this present heaven and Earth before ushering down from heaven the new Earth and New Jerusalem.
 
When Christ returns and we are then caught up with Him for all eternity why would God make us wait for another 1000 years before restoring this present heaven and Earth
Hi for_his_glory

God speaks of our being refined like fine silver. The process of refining is to take out impurities. It usually requires, with metal, heating and melting and straining out those impurities. Now, I'm just offering this as a 'possible' explanation for your question.

What if God, in His great wisdom, refines those who claim to want what Jesus holds out to us by putting them through a 1,000 year period of living with him first to insure that the life that Jesus offers is really what they want? I find it curious that after this 1,000 year reign Satan will be released again out into the world. So, what if God gives all of us who are believers, remember, we haven't gotten to the place where the names are found in the book of life yet, to see what that life is going to be like and to then, when Satan is released allow those who really did enjoy the fun of sin to choose to go back to that life?

Maybe the 1,000 year reign is a part of that refiners fire that God says we shall all pass through. Just a possibility.

I remember a fellow at a fellowship where I attended once, who was an avid golfer, making the claim that if there wasn't golf in heaven, he didn't want to go. Maybe the 1,000 year period is a time for him to find out if he will like a life without golf.
 
Hi for_his_glory

God speaks of our being refined like fine silver. The process of refining is to take out impurities. It usually requires, with metal, heating and melting and straining out those impurities. Now, I'm just offering this as a 'possible' explanation for your question.

What if God, in His great wisdom, refines those who claim to want what Jesus holds out to us by putting them through a 1,000 year period of living with him first to insure that the life that Jesus offers is really what they want? I find it curious that after this 1,000 year reign Satan will be released again out into the world. So, what if God gives all of us who are believers, remember, we haven't gotten to the place where the names are found in the book of life yet, to see what that life is going to be like and to then, when Satan is released allow those who really did enjoy the fun of sin to choose to go back to that life?

Maybe the 1,000 year reign is a part of that refiners fire that God says we shall all pass through. Just a possibility.

I remember a fellow at a fellowship where I attended once, who was an avid golfer, making the claim that if there wasn't golf in heaven, he didn't want to go. Maybe the 1,000 year period is a time for him to find out if he will like a life without golf.
The refiners fire is that of what we endure in trials and tribulations that comes against us here on earth as being a child of God as we endure that which comes against us. Those who are Christ own at His coming are caught up to Him, but first this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality before we are caught up to meet Jesus in the air. We reign with Christ the moment we are Spiritually born again and indwelled with the Holy Spirit.
1Corinthians 15:51-58; Colossians 3:1-4; 2Timothy 2:10-12; Revelation 20:4.

When we are caught up to Christ on the last day the door of God's salvation is closed as there are no second chances or a trial time period to see if we really want to be with Christ and give up the earthly things.
 
The refiners fire is that of what we endure in trials and tribulations that comes against us here on earth as being a child of God as we endure that which comes against us. Those who are Christ own at His coming are caught up to Him, but first this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality before we are caught up to meet Jesus in the air. We reign with Christ the moment we are Spiritually born again and indwelled with the Holy Spirit.
1Corinthians 15:51-58; Colossians 3:1-4; 2Timothy 2:10-12; Revelation 20:4.

When we are caught up to Christ on the last day the door of God's salvation is closed as there are no second chances or a trial time period to see if we really want to be with Christ and give up the earthly things.
Hi for_his_glory

I understand that's how you understand how God refines us in the fire. You asked a question as to 'why' God would apply some 1,000 year reign of the saints with Christ and I gave an answer that quite frankly doesn't sound outside of the realm of God's work in purifying and refining those who have claimed to follow Christ.

I don't think there's anything much told to us about this 1,000 year reign except what we find in the Scriptures. I understand that you believe that it's some metaphorical statement from God that doesn't really mean that there will be some 1,000 trips around the sun in which the wicked will remain in their graves, but the ones that the Lord takes up in the gathering up of those who are his to live with him. That's fine, but I don't agree. I don't see any reason why God would say this and not mean it. And what do you believe of this 1,000 year reign that we are told of?

Here's what the Scriptures say:

Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the Abyss, holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. And he threw him into the Abyss, shut it, and sealed it over him, so that he could not deceive the nations until the thousand years were complete. After that, he must be released for a brief period.

Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him for a thousand years.


From this passage, what we can gather is that Satan is going to be cast into the abyss, but only for a period of time, which God's word says is 1,000 years. After that period of time, whatever it is, Satan will be released from the pit for a short time.
Then we are told that there will be thrones with someone seated on them who had been given authority to judge. Now, at one point Jesus says that the apostles will have an opportunity to judge.

So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Here Jesus is talking to his 12 apostles who have followed him throughout his ministry. So we are told that there will be thrones, likely twelve, and the apostles will sit upon them along with Jesus on his throne throughout this period of time, however long it is. God's word says 1,000 years. Then we are told that all those who had suffered for the testimony of Jesus and the word of God, and those who had not worshipped the beast or its image, and not taken the mark upon hand or forehead will come to life. Now, I don't know where they were before, but apparently they were not living prior to this time. For now they 'come to life'.

But the rest of the dead, now this is after the harvest of the earth found in the Revelation chapter 14, so this would be all those who then fell under the wrath of God in the bowl judgments that come after the harvest, do not come to life at this time. They remain dead in their graves throughout this period of time, however long it is. But God's word says 'after the thousand years were complete'. We are told that this is the first resurrection and they will be priests of God and of His Son (Christ) and will reign with Him for 1,000 years.

God seems to repeat that it will be for a thousand years several times here. I really don't see how someone can think that it's all some metaphorical explanation, but you seem to be able to do that. Now, metaphors are generally meant to stand as an example for something else that will be in the same way to us. So, here's my question to you: What is it a metaphor for?

I know that some believe, and I find it quite plausible, that this is the time in which God will fulfill His promises to Israel. This resurrection and reign of the saints with the Lord is on this present earth and so it's quite possible that Israel, the people, are still on the earth. The new heavens and the new earth have not been created yet. But again, if it's allegorical or metaphorical, what is the allegory or the metaphor that we are supposed to glean from it?

Will there not be a time that Satan is bound and the saints are resurrected, while some remain in their graves?

Will there not be a time that Satan is bound and then later released again upon the earth?
 
miamited I have probably shown this to you before, but will repost this.

Right after the seven vial judgments have been poured out on those who took the mark of the beast mystery Babylon will have been revealed and destroyed with fire as the kings of all the nations who took part in her will flee and bewail her destruction as well as those merchants who were made rich by her. Heaven and all those souls that have gone back to God while their physical bodies returned to the ground/grave will then rejoice as their blood will be avenged by God as the great city Babylon that has been revealed will be destroyed and the preaching of the Gospel will end as the door of Salvation will be closed forever as in Jesus was life and life was the light of men, but the darkness could not comprehend it, Rev 16-18, John 1:1-5.

Rev 19:1-6 begins with all those in heaven as they are rejoicing as God will have judged the great whore and destroys her in the end of days as even now she is corrupting the earth an causes much blood shed as she persecutes the saints of God to death. Rev 19:7-10 comes the timing of the marriage of the Lamb as the whore of Babylon and her city will have been destroyed and all those who are Christ asleep in the grave and alive at His coming have prepared themselves for the marriage of the Lamb as they being His Bride will sup with Him for eternity. Rev 19:7-9 mentions nothing of us being caught up to Him yet, but to us it will be granted that we being the Bride should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white for the fine linen is the righteousness of the saints.

The events that follow after heaven rejoices starting with Rev 19:11-21 is that Jesus returns with his army of warring angels (not the saints of God) from heaven that follow Him, as Jesus will then destroy the beast and false prophet casting them into the lake of fire and then will strike dead the remnant by the words of His mouth as the remnant are those who the beast uses to rule evil over the nations. Christ then sends an angel to bind Satan for a 1000 years so he can no longer deceive the nations (people) anymore until he is set loose for a time. A 1000 years in Rev 20 is not literal years, but only symbolic of a certain period of time as nowhere else in scripture other than Rev 20 does it mention a literal 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth, but symbolic as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.

Rev 20:4-15 during this time of Satan being bound comes the resurrection of all, (as all means saints and those who are not of faith in God), who are asleep in the ground will hear the voice of Christ calling them to come forth as some will be resurrected to eternal life with the Father and others to damnation, John 5:28,29, 1Corinthians 15:51-58; 1Thessalonians 1:1-10; 4:13-18. When we are given our new glorified bodies Jesus will gather us to Him like a mother hen gathers her chicks under her wings for protection, Matthew 23:34-39. Satan will be loosed for a short time to go out and deceive the nations by gathering all those who are his own and then sends them to attack the camp of the saints, but God sends fire down from heaven and to devour them. Satan is then cast into the lake of fire followed by those who stand in Gods Great White Throne judgment and as their names are not written in the book of life will then be cast into the lake of fire and remembered no more.

Many teach that there are two resurrections, but that is not what scriptures says. There is only one resurrection, but two judgments of those who sleep in the grave, John 5:28,29. Everyone was created by God, but not all are found faithful to Him as many refused to Hear the word of God and turned away from Him and will continue to do so until the coming of the Lord. Then there are those like that of the parable Jesus gave in Matthew 25:14-30 and the judgment of the Gentiles in Matthew 25:31-46. We know Jesus comes with rewards as the rewards are different for each one.

Rev 6:9-11 and Rev 20:4 were only visions John was being shown as it is only the souls that are reigning with Christ in heaven as John 3:13 says no one other than Christ has ever ascended up to heaven. The only thing that goes back to God when this physical body dies and goes back to the dust of the ground is the very breath/spirit that made us a living soul as the soul can never die, Genesis 22:7; Ecc 12:7; Matthew 10:28. Those souls John was being shown are reigning with Christ in Heaven for a time until all of God's enemies become His footstool as Christ who sits at the right hand of the Father reigns with Him in heaven until the end comes on the last day, John 6:40, when Christ returns and establishes His kingdom here on earth and takes His seat on the throne of David in the New Jerusalem, Isaiah 66:1; Matthew 5:33-37; Hebrews 10:12,13.

Many look for a physical kingdom here on earth and read into Rev 20 that Christ will reign for a thousand years here on earth with His saints, but truth is that Christ has always reigned with God from before the foundation of the world and for eternity, John 1:1-4; 1Peter 1:18-23. It was Satan's pride that caused the nations to sin against God as Satan ruled evil over the nations, Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:13-17, but yet the nations have always been Gods kingdoms as in the end of days He will separate the sheep from the goats/wheat from the tares. In Rev 11:14-19 the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign forever. What this means is that Gods longsuffering and patience will come to an end, 2 Peter 3:9, 10, as His great wrath is poured out on the earth. All His enemies will become His footstool, then will He send Christ and His army of angels to destroy all that is an abomination to Him casting it all into the lake of fire. Jesus will at that time establish His kingdom here on earth as God makes new the heaven and earth ushering down the new Jerusalem as we will then be with the Lord forever, Luke 19:12; 1Corinthians 15:20-26; 2Peter 3:10; Colossians 1:13; John 18:36, Rev 21:1.

Everything from Rev 11:14 that starts the third woe with the seventh trumpet sounding and continues through Rev 20:15 comes quickly in Gods timing, even though man tries to put a certain timing to the beginning and end of Gods great wrath. We inherit the kingdoms of God from the day of our Spiritual rebirth, John 3:3-6; Romans 10:9,10 as they have been prepared for us from the foundation of the world, Matthew 25:34. We reign with Christ here on this present earth as Gods grace gives us all power and authority through that of Christ Jesus for it is not our power and authority, but is Christ's that works in us and through us as a faithful servant as He is in us and we in Him.

IMO, I believe 1000 being a figurative number, not a literal number as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2 Peter 3:8.

Mat 1:17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

There are 20 generations from Adam to Abraham, plus 42 generations from Abraham to Jesus, and by extrapolating over the 2000 years from Jesus until now it's another 42 generations, which roughly gives us 104 generations that includes all of us today. By this calculation found in scripture we can see a 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth after Jesus returns, as no one knows when that will be, 1000 years can not be a literal number before God ushers down the New Jerusalem.


Tracing back my own ancestry beginning in 1486 as far back as I could get, there have been 9 generations spanning from 1486 unto 1985 when my father died would make it 499 years or nine generations. If it was actually a literal 1000 years here on this present earth before it all passes away, 2Peter 3:10, do you think that God would wait another 1000 years after Christ returns, I don't think so.
 
Have you ever considered the war of Gog and Magog is the same as the battle of Armageddon as we study Ezekiel 38:1-6 which actually names all who will come against Israel in the end of days being Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, Persia, Ethiopia, Libya, Gomer and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands. In this battle, this Gog-Magog War, this Armageddon battle, is a different type of battle from any other ones found in scripture including the king of the north and south in Daniel 11. Within this battle the first six trumpets of God's wrath will be poured out into the world, Ezekiel 38:17-19, as we read in Rev 8:6 being the first trumpet sounding that takes us to the seventh trumpet of God's great wrath in Rev 11:15-19 and the timing of the son of perdition during the time of the seventh trumpet that promises a false peace and safety if all will take the mark of this beast, 2Thessalonians 4:1-12; Rev 13.

Ezekiel 38-39 calls this the battle of Gog and Magog and Rev 16:12-16 the place called Armageddon.

Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

Armageddon, Harmageddon, Mageddon known in a few ways of different spellings, but being a city called Megiddo found in the Jezreel Valley between Nazareth and Jerusalem being a place of troops, an assembly of troops, a gathering of troops; a mountain assembly of troops, a mountain rendezvous of troops, or a mountain gathering of troops.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Rev 20:7-10.

Let's take a closer look at Rev 20:7-10.
1. After the 1000 years are expired Satan will be set loose, but doesn't say how long he is set loose before he is cast into the lake of fire.

2. Satan goes out immediately to deceive the nations.

3. These nations are in the four quarters of the earth, (N S E W) that Satan gathers together as the enemies of God are great as the numbering of the sand of the sea.

4. Four quarters of the earth are east, west, north and south as described in Ezekiel 38:1-6 in all who come against Israel in the final battle called Armageddon.

5. The breadth of the earth means the saints that are camped not only in Jerusalem the beloved city of God, but also throughout the breadth of the earth.

6. God sends fire down from heaven to devour/destroy the enemies of God and Satan is cast into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are.

Notice where it says the beast and false prophet are, as that happens when Christ returns in the air with His army of angels, Rev 19:11-21, before planting His feet on the Mt of Olives.


Rev 20:7-10 is the defeat of Satan after the battle of Armageddon where he calls all the nations to come against Israel one last time as prophesied in Ezekiel 38:1-6 that describes these nations. In this battle, this Gog-Magog War, this Armageddon battle, is a different type of battle from any other ones found in scripture including the king of the north and south in Daniel 11 as this takes place after Satan is bound and then set loose for what I believe 1000 years is symbolic in it's numbering like that of a figurative number, not a literal number as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2 Peter 3:8. 7:9;1Chronicles16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2 Peter 3:8.

Those that have rejected Christ that still remain on earth after the beast, false prophet and all the ruling leaders from every nation that followed after the beast are destroyed, Rev 19:11-21, are those who are the numbering as the sand of the sea. These are the enemy of God that Satan uses to battle against the saints during the battle of Armageddon that are camped upon the breadth of the earth after Satan is released for a season. The saints are camped not only in Jerusalem the beloved city of God, but also throughout the breadth of the earth. It's only the 144,000 generational Jews that believe in Christ that have returned to Jerusalem. After the 1000 years are fulfilled Satan is set loosed for a season and goes out to deceive the nations as he gathers the enemies of Christ to battle against the saints as the numbering of unbelievers is like the sand of the sea. As the enemy surrounds the camp of the saints God sends fire down from heaven and destroys the enemy and Satan is cast into the lake of fire. Zechariah 14; Luke 21:20-22 and Rev 16:16 mentions the battle of Armageddon when Christ and His army of angels return as Christ plants His feet on the mount of Olives for the final battle as Gog and Magog found in Ezekiel Chapter 38 is the battle of Rev 20:7-9.

Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

There are ten nations that will compass the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire will come down from God out of heaven, and devour them, Rev 20:7-10.

These 10 nations of Ezekiel 38-39 wars consisted of, Rosh, Magog, Tubal, Meshech, Gomer, Togarmah, Persia, Put, Ethiopia and Sheba & Dedan.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Rev 20:7-10 Battle of Armageddon that we read about in Rev 16, happens when Christ returns to Earth with the saints that have been gathered up to Him, 1Thessalonians 4:13-18. These are the countries that come against Israel being present day Russia, Turkey, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Saudi Arabia that make up the ten nations of Ezekiel 38-39.

As I understand all of this it happens at the time of Christ return as I see everything happening very quickly as being the last day when Christ returns for at that time all evil will be destroyed by the brightness of His coming, this present heaven and earth will pass away and restored again before the New Jerusalem will be ushered down from heaven, Rev 21:1-8.
 
A 1000 years in Rev 20 is not literal years, but only symbolic of a certain period of time as nowhere else in scripture other than Rev 20 does it mention a literal 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth,
Hi for_his_glory

So, your justification for it not being a thousand years is that it isn't mentioned anywhere else in the Scriptures. That doesn't sound like wise interpretation to me. And as I pointed out, it does mention it 5 times in the passage in question.
Many teach that there are two resurrections, but that is not what scriptures says
I'm not sure where you're reading, but the passage in question literally says that not all are resurrected in the first.

And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete.

You don't see two resurrections there?
IMO, I believe 1000 being a figurative number, not a literal number
So, everything written will happen just as it says, but you don't believe it will be an actual 1,000 years because that's nowhere written in any other piece of Scripture?

Ok. God bless.
 
You see it as literal and I see it as being symbolic in the numbering. When Christ returns and we are then caught up with Him for all eternity why would God make us wait for another 1000 years before restoring this present heaven and Earth before ushering down from heaven the new Earth and New Jerusalem.
Why? Those 1000 years are the final sabbath for all humanity, and the ultimate fulfillment of the long expected Messiah’s reign in peace, no more disease, strife and sorrow, that’s the real utopia.
 
miamited I have probably shown this to you before, but will repost this.

Right after the seven vial judgments have been poured out on those who took the mark of the beast mystery Babylon will have been revealed and destroyed with fire as the kings of all the nations who took part in her will flee and bewail her destruction as well as those merchants who were made rich by her. Heaven and all those souls that have gone back to God while their physical bodies returned to the ground/grave will then rejoice as their blood will be avenged by God as the great city Babylon that has been revealed will be destroyed and the preaching of the Gospel will end as the door of Salvation will be closed forever as in Jesus was life and life was the light of men, but the darkness could not comprehend it, Rev 16-18, John 1:1-5.

Rev 19:1-6 begins with all those in heaven as they are rejoicing as God will have judged the great whore and destroys her in the end of days as even now she is corrupting the earth an causes much blood shed as she persecutes the saints of God to death. Rev 19:7-10 comes the timing of the marriage of the Lamb as the whore of Babylon and her city will have been destroyed and all those who are Christ asleep in the grave and alive at His coming have prepared themselves for the marriage of the Lamb as they being His Bride will sup with Him for eternity. Rev 19:7-9 mentions nothing of us being caught up to Him yet, but to us it will be granted that we being the Bride should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white for the fine linen is the righteousness of the saints.

The events that follow after heaven rejoices starting with Rev 19:11-21 is that Jesus returns with his army of warring angels (not the saints of God) from heaven that follow Him, as Jesus will then destroy the beast and false prophet casting them into the lake of fire and then will strike dead the remnant by the words of His mouth as the remnant are those who the beast uses to rule evil over the nations. Christ then sends an angel to bind Satan for a 1000 years so he can no longer deceive the nations (people) anymore until he is set loose for a time. A 1000 years in Rev 20 is not literal years, but only symbolic of a certain period of time as nowhere else in scripture other than Rev 20 does it mention a literal 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth, but symbolic as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.

Rev 20:4-15 during this time of Satan being bound comes the resurrection of all, (as all means saints and those who are not of faith in God), who are asleep in the ground will hear the voice of Christ calling them to come forth as some will be resurrected to eternal life with the Father and others to damnation, John 5:28,29, 1Corinthians 15:51-58; 1Thessalonians 1:1-10; 4:13-18. When we are given our new glorified bodies Jesus will gather us to Him like a mother hen gathers her chicks under her wings for protection, Matthew 23:34-39. Satan will be loosed for a short time to go out and deceive the nations by gathering all those who are his own and then sends them to attack the camp of the saints, but God sends fire down from heaven and to devour them. Satan is then cast into the lake of fire followed by those who stand in Gods Great White Throne judgment and as their names are not written in the book of life will then be cast into the lake of fire and remembered no more.

Many teach that there are two resurrections, but that is not what scriptures says. There is only one resurrection, but two judgments of those who sleep in the grave, John 5:28,29. Everyone was created by God, but not all are found faithful to Him as many refused to Hear the word of God and turned away from Him and will continue to do so until the coming of the Lord. Then there are those like that of the parable Jesus gave in Matthew 25:14-30 and the judgment of the Gentiles in Matthew 25:31-46. We know Jesus comes with rewards as the rewards are different for each one.

Rev 6:9-11 and Rev 20:4 were only visions John was being shown as it is only the souls that are reigning with Christ in heaven as John 3:13 says no one other than Christ has ever ascended up to heaven. The only thing that goes back to God when this physical body dies and goes back to the dust of the ground is the very breath/spirit that made us a living soul as the soul can never die, Genesis 22:7; Ecc 12:7; Matthew 10:28. Those souls John was being shown are reigning with Christ in Heaven for a time until all of God's enemies become His footstool as Christ who sits at the right hand of the Father reigns with Him in heaven until the end comes on the last day, John 6:40, when Christ returns and establishes His kingdom here on earth and takes His seat on the throne of David in the New Jerusalem, Isaiah 66:1; Matthew 5:33-37; Hebrews 10:12,13.

Many look for a physical kingdom here on earth and read into Rev 20 that Christ will reign for a thousand years here on earth with His saints, but truth is that Christ has always reigned with God from before the foundation of the world and for eternity, John 1:1-4; 1Peter 1:18-23. It was Satan's pride that caused the nations to sin against God as Satan ruled evil over the nations, Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:13-17, but yet the nations have always been Gods kingdoms as in the end of days He will separate the sheep from the goats/wheat from the tares. In Rev 11:14-19 the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign forever. What this means is that Gods longsuffering and patience will come to an end, 2 Peter 3:9, 10, as His great wrath is poured out on the earth. All His enemies will become His footstool, then will He send Christ and His army of angels to destroy all that is an abomination to Him casting it all into the lake of fire. Jesus will at that time establish His kingdom here on earth as God makes new the heaven and earth ushering down the new Jerusalem as we will then be with the Lord forever, Luke 19:12; 1Corinthians 15:20-26; 2Peter 3:10; Colossians 1:13; John 18:36, Rev 21:1.

Everything from Rev 11:14 that starts the third woe with the seventh trumpet sounding and continues through Rev 20:15 comes quickly in Gods timing, even though man tries to put a certain timing to the beginning and end of Gods great wrath. We inherit the kingdoms of God from the day of our Spiritual rebirth, John 3:3-6; Romans 10:9,10 as they have been prepared for us from the foundation of the world, Matthew 25:34. We reign with Christ here on this present earth as Gods grace gives us all power and authority through that of Christ Jesus for it is not our power and authority, but is Christ's that works in us and through us as a faithful servant as He is in us and we in Him.

IMO, I believe 1000 being a figurative number, not a literal number as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2 Peter 3:8.

Mat 1:17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

There are 20 generations from Adam to Abraham, plus 42 generations from Abraham to Jesus, and by extrapolating over the 2000 years from Jesus until now it's another 42 generations, which roughly gives us 104 generations that includes all of us today. By this calculation found in scripture we can see a 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth after Jesus returns, as no one knows when that will be, 1000 years can not be a literal number before God ushers down the New Jerusalem.


Tracing back my own ancestry beginning in 1486 as far back as I could get, there have been 9 generations spanning from 1486 unto 1985 when my father died would make it 499 years or nine generations. If it was actually a literal 1000 years here on this present earth before it all passes away, 2Peter 3:10, do you think that God would wait another 1000 years after Christ returns, I don't think so.
That's the amillennialism heresy that Christ is already reigning in heaven, we're already living in the kingdom, which is the official stance upheld by major protestant denominations, and also the reason they don't teach prophecy since they think it's all ancient history already fulfilled. It is your prerogative to believe that, but it's just an illusion. If the kingdom is already here and we're already reigning with Christ, then I dare you, change the Lord's prayer into this - "thy kingdom HAS come, thy will IS done."
 
Hi for_his_glory

So, your justification for it not being a thousand years is that it isn't mentioned anywhere else in the Scriptures. That doesn't sound like wise interpretation to me. And as I pointed out, it does mention it 5 times in the passage in question.

I'm not sure where you're reading, but the passage in question literally says that not all are resurrected in the first.

And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete.

You don't see two resurrections there?

So, everything written will happen just as it says, but you don't believe it will be an actual 1,000 years because that's nowhere written in any other piece of Scripture?

Ok. God bless.
Most scriptures have cross references, but I have yet in all my 40 some years of studying the word of God have I ever found a cross reference for a literal1000 years found in Rev 20:1-6. If you believe it is a literal 1000 years then please give me the scriptures that teach this.

I can only see 1000 being symbolic as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8. Many things in the visions John saw in Revelation are literal and also symbolic.
 
Most scriptures have cross references, but I have yet in all my 40 some years of studying the word of God have I ever found a cross reference for a literal1000 years found in Rev 20:1-6. If you believe it is a literal 1000 years then please give me the scriptures that teach this.

I can only see 1000 being symbolic as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8. Many things in the visions John saw in Revelation are literal and also symbolic.
Hi for_his_glory Ok. I am curious why you write the word 'most' when you seem to think that it must be 'everytime'.
 
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