Righteousness

[TruthSeeker2012]

I have some questions for everyone. These questions separate the false teachers of legalism and "bewitching" doctrine that Paul rebuked in Galatians 3, from the true teachers of salvation of grace:

1. Who is righteous?

2. How did they become righteous?

3. What do they need to do and/or believe in, to remain righteous and to be accepted by God and saved?

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

I have some questions for everyone. These questions separate the false teachers of legalism and "bewitching" doctrine that Paul rebuked in Galatians 3, from the true teachers of salvation of grace:

1. Who is righteous?

2. How did they become righteous?

3. What do they need to do and/or believe in, to remain righteous and to be accepted by God and saved?

"It is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous." Rom. 2:13 Does this statement answer your questions?

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

"It is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous." Rom. 2:13 Does this statement answer your questions?

Let me get this straight...you are believing and teaching that Romans 2:13, in context, is teaching that nobody can be declared righteous through Jesus Christ, and that we are only declared righteous and saved if we perfectly obey the Law?

Yes or No?

Rather, in context, do you believe it's possible that Paul is saying IF you obeyed the law you would be declared righteous. But then goes on for the next chapter and a half to prove that you fail the test?

Yes or No?

And do you believe that the Bible contradicts itself? "For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin." (Rom 3:19, 20).

Yes or No?

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

Let me get this straight...you are believing and teaching that Romans 2:13, in context, is teaching that nobody can be declared righteous through Jesus Christ, and that we are only declared righteous and saved if we perfectly obey the Law?

Yes or No?

Rather, in context, do you believe it's possible that Paul is saying IF you obeyed the law you would be declared righteous. But then goes on for the next chapter and a half to prove that you fail the test?

Yes or No?



And do you believe that the Bible contradicts itself? "For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin." (Rom 3:19, 20).

Yes or No?

The law referenced in Rom. 2:13 is an addition made to the law after Jesus' crucifixion. No person will be declared righteous by God if he refuses to obey this law. No. The Bible is not self contradictive. It is observance of the written code that results in not being declared righteous by God.

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

The law referenced in Rom. 2:13 is an addition made to the law after Jesus' crucifixion. No person will be declared righteous by God if he refuses to obey this law. No. The Bible is not self contradictive. It is observance of the written code that results in not being declared righteous by God.

I wish you all the best trying to attain your own righteousness through your law keeping and obedience. Good luck trying to gain entrance into the coming wedding banquet wearing your own righteousness.

But I hope you realise that the only people who will be allowed to enter are those who are wearing Jesus' robe of righteousness.

Isaiah 61:10 I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.



So good luck with your obedience, HUMAN EFFORT and Law keeping to get right with God, you will need it!

 

[cedward1]

Romans 3:20-24: "Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus."

Failing to observe the law makes us unrighteous, but faith in Jesus Christ makes us righteous again. Since we all fail, we can only really be righteous through our faith.

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

But you will notice that the FALSE TEACHERS will deny that verse and instead try to tell you that you cannot be made righteous unless you perform "good works" and "obedience" and perform "human effort".

They teach the same false gospel that Paul rebuked:

"You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?" - Galatians 3:1-3

Any message about faith in Jesus’ death and life of righteousness for salvation, that adds human efforts into the equation, according to Paul “is really no gospel at all” Gal 1:7.Yet when you ask these FALSE TEACHERS if they are perfectly obedient to God's law and 10 Commandments, they run and hide and usually insult you.

Anyone who teaches that "good works" and "obedience" and perform "human effort" are needed to become righteous, and to remain righteous and to be saved, have in reality multiple Saviors, Jesus + themselves, and they have rejected Jesus as their 100% complete and sole and only Savior!

And ask yourselves, how much "good works" and "obedience" and perform "human effort" is needed to be declared righteous and to be saved?

There are 168 hours per week, 8736 hours per year. How many of those hours does a person have to keep Gods Law and Commandments before they are made righteous and remain righteous?

If a person keeps Gods Commandments 50 hours every week, is that enough for you to give them a tick of approval for their Salvation? Or is it 120 hours per week? If that is the case, what happens to the person who keeps Gods Commandments 119 hours per week? Are they lost, yet the person who keeps them 120 hours are saved?

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

I wish you all the best trying to attain your own righteousness through your law keeping and obedience. Good luck trying to gain entrance into the coming wedding banquet wearing your own righteousness.

But I hope you realise that the only people who will be allowed to enter are those who are wearing Jesus' robe of righteousness.

Isaiah 61:10 I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.



So good luck with your obedience, HUMAN EFFORT and Law keeping to get right with God, you will need it!

Doesn't Isaiah say "Our Lord is a Lawgiver" and dosen't he also quote the Lord saying "a law shall proceed from Me"? As I said no person will be declared righteous by God by observing the written code of law. But a modification was made to the law so that it is only by obedience of this law that any person will be declared righteous by God.

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

...a modification was made to the law so that it is only by obedience of this law that any person will be declared righteous by God.

Please answer these questions honestly and directly:

1. Are you obedient to God's law today and never disobey God's law and never sin? Yes or No?

2. If no, then according to your beliefs and teachings you are not yet justified. Agreed?

3. If yes, then do you believe you cannot be justified until a future day in the hope that you reach perfectionism and can be perfectly obedient to God's law? Yes or No?

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

But you will notice that the FALSE TEACHERS will deny that verse and instead try to tell you that you cannot be made righteous unless you perform "good works" and "obedience" and perform "human effort".

They teach the same false gospel that Paul rebuked:

"You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?" - Galatians 3:1-3

Any message about faith in Jesus’ death and life of righteousness for salvation, that adds human efforts into the equation, according to Paul “is really no gospel at all” Gal 1:7.Yet when you ask these FALSE TEACHERS if they are perfectly obedient to God's law and 10 Commandments, they run and hide and usually insult you.

Anyone who teaches that "good works" and "obedience" and perform "human effort" are needed to become righteous, and to remain righteous and to be saved, have in reality multiple Saviors, Jesus + themselves, and they have rejected Jesus as their 100% complete and sole and only Savior!

And ask yourselves, how much "good works" and "obedience" and perform "human effort" is needed to be declared righteous and to be saved?

There are 168 hours per week, 8736 hours per year. How many of those hours does a person have to keep Gods Law and Commandments before they are made righteous and remain righteous?

If a person keeps Gods Commandments 50 hours every week, is that enough for you to give them a tick of approval for their Salvation? Or is it 120 hours per week? If that is the case, what happens to the person who keeps Gods Commandments 119 hours per week? Are they lost, yet the person who keeps them 120 hours are saved?

Dosen't Jesus say that the gateway into to God's kingdom is something that is very small and narrow and doesn't he also say "MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO USE IT"? I think there must be some human effort involved because if you refuse to use this gate you will not get in, friend. And as I have said to this other misguided respondent. A law has been added to the law by Jesus' crucifixion.

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

Dosen't Jesus say that the gateway into to God's kingdom is something that is very small and narrow and doesn't he also say "MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO USE IT"? I think there must be some human effort involved because if you refuse to use this gate you will not get in, friend. And as I have said to this other misguided respondent. A law has been added to the law by Jesus' crucifixion.

I am going to ask you the questions again, and I am hoping this time you will actually provide direct and honest answers, because so far you have sidestepped my questions and desperately tried to change topics and continue to evade my questions:

So....please answer these questions honestly and directly:

1. Are you obedient to God's law today and never disobey God's law and never sin? Yes or No?

2. If no, then according to your beliefs and teachings you are not yet justified. Agreed?

3. If yes, then do you believe you cannot be justified until a future day in the hope that you reach perfectionism and can be perfectly obedient to God's law? Yes or No?

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

I am going to ask you the questions again, and I am hoping this time you will actually provide direct and honest answers, because so far you have sidestepped my questions and desperately tried to change topics and continue to evade my questions:

So....please answer these questions honestly and directly:

1. Are you obedient to God's law today and never disobey God's law and never sin? Yes or No?

2. If no, then according to your beliefs and teachings you are not yet justified. Agreed?

3. If yes, then do you believe you cannot be justified until a future day in the hope that you reach perfectionism and can be perfectly obedient to God's law? Yes or No?

Any sin you accuse me of, even if it is one you've made up, I've done it even more than once. Happy? But. What I have made you aware of and, you have FAILED to notice, is that a Law has been added to the law after Jesus' crucifixion. Salvation from the law's penalty is predicated upon correct obedience of this added law. The written code only offers a resolution of an infraction after the infraction has been comitted unintentionally. However the written code does not proffer a resolution for the offense of murder which the crucifixion of Jesus is. The death of a man caused by bloodshed. For there to be any possibility for this offense of the written code to be resolved there MUST be a change made to it and there has been. The error you have been taught and evidently believe is true is the false assumption that the crucifixon of Jesus is a direct benefit. But his crucifixion is actually a unilateral accountable sin for each man. Therefore the man who refuses to confess directly to God that he is sorry Jesus' life was lost by bloodshed when he was crucified commits an intentional ofense of the law that is not forgiveable.

 

[Bonairos]

"The written code only offers a resolution . . .

"However the written code does not proffer a resolution . . ."

"For there to be any possibility for this offense of the written code . . ."

Just attempting to follow. The written code?


Be blessed, Stay blessed, and be Bold!

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

Just attempting to follow. The written code?


Be blessed, Stay blessed, and be Bold!

The written code is Gen. thru Deut. and the required ceremonial sacrifical system. The defficency with this system are the factors of redundancy and argumentation. Since the death of any animal sacrificed under this system does not produce a residual component that also will require statuatory litigation after the fact of the shedding of blood there cannot be any relief from the code's penalty.
This point is made by Paul in Romans. Didn't make any difference. Those given the law and those not given the law all died. And in Heb. the deficency of the blood of an animal that is sacrificed to God is inefficent because sacrificing it is not a sin. However causing the death of a man by bloodshed is an entirely different matter. Because there is a residual issue attached to a man's life taken by bloodshed preexistant of the Sinai code that carries the requirment to give an account/litigation apart from the written code of ceremonial law.
[I wrote this rather quickly. So I hope it gives you some help]

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

Any sin you accuse me of, even if it is one you've made up, I've done it even more than once. Happy? ...

You have openly and honestly admitted to me that you break God's Law and God's 10 Commandments, so please tell me...do you believe you can be saved and inherit eternal life if you continue to sin as you have been doing and continue to break God's Law and 10 Commandments?

YES OR NO?

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

You have openly and honestly admitted to me that you break God's Law and God's 10 Commandments, so please tell me...do you believe you can be saved and inherit eternal life if you continue to sin as you have been doing and continue to break God's Law and 10 Commandments?

YES OR NO?

So it is your opinion that if a person keeps the ten he is saved? Don't you know the law is always a wittness aganist you? Deut. 31:26

 

[savedbygrace57]

I believe that Christ is my Righteousness before God, and that He Honored it by keeping it perfectly and even baring its penaly in my place and stead, and that His Righteousness hath God imputed unto me, but not only me,but everyone Christ died for.. Phil 3:9

9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

I believe that Christ is my Righteousness before God, and that He Honored it by keeping it perfectly and even baring its penaly in my place and stead, and that His Righteousness hath God imputed unto me, but not only me,but everyone Christ died for.. Phil 3:9

9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

We are all well aware of what you think. But for the imputation of the righteousness of God to any individual there is the coined specfic requirment of correct obedience of God to obtain it. Never have read the thought of any Calvinist, yet, who does not think that God was made for him rather than correcly thinking God can do with the Calvinist whatever he has predestinated for the Calvinist who will not obey his son.

 

[savedbygrace57]

theadore

But for the imputation of the righteousness of God to any individual there is the coined specfic requirment of correct obedience of God to obtain it.

Thats according to your religion and beliefs, not mine. In my Religion Christ met all the requirements in order for His People to be made Righteous. In my Religion, Christ one obedience shall make all whom He represented Righteous Rom 5:19


19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

theadore


Thats according to your religion and beliefs, not mine. In my Religion Christ met all the requirements in order for His People to be made Righteous. In my Religion, Christ one obedience shall make all whom He represented Righteous Rom 5:19


19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Again. "It is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous." Rom. 2:13
The fact is, and I've stated this to you previously, every person no matter who they are, if they have been naturally born are NOT God's children, Jn. 1:13, not by natural descent. The major problem with the philosophical component of your Religious system is the false assumption of having been selected to be a child of God PRIOR to the event of natural birth. The idea you hold to be true is by fact proven not to be true. Your Religious system is one of the ideas that Paul has warned you not to follow. A vain (narcissistic-self absorbed) hollow philosophy. You have over three thousand posts just on this forum. I've not read many of them. But the ones I have read, and I suspect all of them are consistant, is the assertion that your selfhood is in existance at this time as a child of God prior to you actually having been naturally born. This assertion, my friend, is braging of your relationship with God. This very same issue was contested hotly by Jesus himself toward his contemporaries who erroneously thought that they were also children of God because of them being the natural descendents of Abraham. Ref. Jn. 8. Since your belief of the reason for your existance is the same as theirs is, God's descendents are naturally born, I seriously doubt God has any other opinion of you than the retort he stated to them. "so BY the obedience of ONE shall many be made righteous." needs the correction of [many have been made righteous] since it is the fact that you were naturally born after the fact of his obedience.