Righteousness

[TruthSeeker2012]

So it is your opinion that if a person keeps the ten he is saved? Don't you know the law is always a wittness aganist you? Deut. 31:26

Why do you keep sidestepping my question?

Please, I am asking you to answer me.

Do you believe you can be saved and inherit eternal life if you continue to sin as you have been doing and continue to break God's Law and 10 Commandments?

YES OR NO?

OR do you have to stop sinning and stop breaking God's Law and 10 Commandments to be able to be saved?

YES OR NO?

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

Again. "It is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous." Rom. 2:13..

That's a gross twisting and misinterpretation of Romans 2:13!

You teach that we can only be saved and made righteous if we obey God... but to obey God means to become SINLESS and perfectly keeping the Law. Have you achieved that? I haven't, hence, I have placed my faith in Jesus so legally I can be credited and imputed Jesus' perfection and righteousness.

 

[savedbygrace57]

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Again. "It is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous." Rom. 2:13

I answered that already ! In my Religion Christ has obeyed the Law for those He died for, By His obedience they are made Righteous Rom 5:19

19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

That word righteous is the greek word dikaios and means:

righteous, observing divine laws

a) in a wide sense, upright, righteous, virtuous, keeping the commands of God

So all those made righteous by the obedience of one, Jesus Christ, God sees them as Keeping His commandes perfectly as Christ did..

Thats my religion..

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

Why do you keep sidestepping my question?

Please, I am asking you to answer me.

Do you believe you can be saved and inherit eternal life if you continue to sin as you have been doing and continue to break God's Law and 10 Commandments?

YES OR NO?

OR do you have to stop sinning and stop breaking God's Law and 10 Commandments to be able to be saved?

YES OR NO?

If it were possible for me to stop sinning and stop breaking God's Law and 10 commandments to be able to be saved there still remains for me, at least, the real problem of not serving the penalty of eternal death for those previous infractions. No man can live by bread alone. For he can only live by every word that has proceeded from the mouth of God. The problem I have and anyother man for that matter is obtaining a writ from an authority, the judge, that rescinds that penalty. But finding out the Way to receive that rescinsion writ, friend, from the only judge who will issue it, but who also forbids an apporach, is indeed a rather sticky wicket in my opinon. Perhaps, and this is only a suggestion, friend. But it might be a better avenue for you to take rather than worrying over the little specks of saw dust that are in my eyes from the log you are sitting on which is hanging over hell and being sawed off by that judge. Is to worry how deep of a cut he has already made in that log.

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

If it were possible for me to stop sinning and stop breaking God's Law and 10 commandments to be able to be saved there still remains for me, at least, the real problem of not serving the penalty of eternal death for those previous infractions. No man can live by bread alone. For he can only live by every word that has proceeded from the mouth of God. The problem I have and anyother man for that matter is obtaining a writ from an authority, the judge, that rescinds that penalty. But finding out the Way to receive that rescinsion writ, friend, from the only judge who will issue it, but who also forbids an apporach, is indeed a rather sticky wicket in my opinon. Perhaps, and this is only a suggestion, friend. But it might be a better avenue for you to take rather than worrying over the little specks of saw dust that are in my eyes from the log you are sitting on which is hanging over hell and being sawed off by that judge. Is to worry how deep of a cut he has already made in that log.

My question obviously frightens you for some reason. Three times now you have refused to answer me.

Do you believe you can be saved and inherit eternal life if you continue to sin as you have been doing and continue to break God's Law and 10 Commandments?

YES OR NO?

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

You have openly and honestly admitted to me that you break God's Law and God's 10 Commandments, so please tell me...do you believe you can be saved and inherit eternal life if you continue to sin as you have been doing and continue to break God's Law and 10 Commandments?

YES OR NO?

Yes.

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

Yes.

OK thank you for providing a Direct and HONEST answer It's usually a lot of hard work to get people to give a direct answer.

So you just admitted that a person who continues to sin and break God's Law and 10 Commandments can still be saved and still inherit eternal life. And that's why we need Jesus and His mercy and grace, because as sinners we need to be rescued and saved, hence, as a result Jesus is our 100% One and Only and Complete Savior!

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

And once I was born again, I hate sinning, but before I was born again I delighted in sinning. That's the difference.

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

OK thank you for providing a Direct and HONEST answer It's usually a lot of hard work to get people to give a direct answer.

So you just admitted that a person who continues to sin and break God's Law and 10 Commandments can still be saved and still inherit eternal life. And that's why we need Jesus and His mercy and grace, because as sinners we need to be rescued and saved, hence, as a result Jesus is our 100% One and Only and Complete Savior!

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

And once I was born again, I hate sinning, but before I was born again I delighted in sinning. That's the difference.

Hold up thr' whippersnapper you missed something. A law has been added to the law by Jesus' crucifixion. If it had not been crucifying him would have only been a benefit to the Jews who crucified him. When Paul wrote, "It is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous." he is not referring OT law but a new law. You've got to have new law first to establish a new covenant. Remember what Jesus said. "I have come to restore all things." It was said to Adam, " Do not do this" and you'll live. The new covenant to live is on the exact same basis, but it is, "Do this" and you'll be allowed the grace to escape the penalty of eternal death. However disobey the "Do this" of the new covenant and the reconpense for an offense of this law does not leave you with any recourse to escape the penalty. For if this law had not been added it would allow you and the Jews who crucified the Lord's body to make the claim that by an unrighteous act you are worthy to be declared righteous by God. God will only be merciful to the people who obey his son, not the ones who refuse.

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

Hold up thr' whippersnapper you missed something. A law has been added to the law by Jesus' crucifixion. If it had not been crucifying him would have only been a benefit to the Jews who crucified him. When Paul wrote, "It is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous." he is not referring OT law but a new law. You've got to have new law first to establish a new covenant. Remember what Jesus said. "I have come to restore all things." It was said to Adam, " Do not do this" and you'll live. The new covenant to live is on the exact same basis, but it is, "Do this" and you'll be allowed the grace to escape the penalty of eternal death. However disobey the "Do this" of the new covenant and the reconpense for an offense of this law does not leave you with any recourse to escape the penalty. For if this law had not been added it would allow you and the Jews who crucified the Lord's body to make the claim that by an unrighteous act you are worthy to be declared righteous by God. God will only be merciful to the people who obey his son, not the ones who refuse.

We can't be saved observing the Law, rather we are saved to observe the Law.

It's wholly of grace (Romans 3:24; 4:5); it is "the gift of God." Ephesians 2:8. It is true that as God grants us grace through faith, He also gives us the desire and strength to obey Him. This results in compliance with His laws. So, even this obedience results from God's free grace. Obedience to service and allegiance of love is the true test of discipleship and a natural fruit of faith in Jesus Christ

The act of faith which thus secures our justification secures also at the same time our sanctification and thus the doctrine of justification by faith does not lead to licentiousness (Rom. 6:2-7). Good works, while not the ground, are the certain consequence, fruit and result of justification (6:14; 7:6)

 

[elijah23]

I have some questions for everyone. These questions separate the false teachers of legalism and "bewitching" doctrine that Paul rebuked in Galatians 3, from the true teachers of salvation of grace:

1. Who is righteous?

2. How did they become righteous?

3. What do they need to do and/or believe in, to remain righteous and to be accepted by God and saved?

Righteous people are those who obey the Lord's commandments.

The Lord accepts everyone. However, are lives do not become beautiful until we repent of our sin.

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

Righteous people are those who obey the Lord's commandments.....

False!!!

Philippians 3:9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith.

 

[elijah23]

False!!!

Philippians 3:9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith.

One and one is two. Righteous people are people who have repented of their sin.

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

One and one is two. Righteous people are people who have repented of their sin.

Let's agree to disagree, because in my belief is that righteousness is a free gift from Christ by FAITH in Christ! But in your beliefs it's given only when you are sinless and obedient to Christ.

So let's agree to DISAGREE!

 

[elijah23]

Let's agree to disagree, because in my belief is that righteousness is a free gift from Christ by FAITH in Christ! But in your beliefs it's given only when you are sinless and obedient to Christ.

So let's agree to DISAGREE!

No, let's find the truth.

If I commit adultey, am I righteous? I say no.

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

No, let's find the truth.

If I commit adultey, am I righteous? I say no.

We cannot find the truth together, that's the point, because one embraces the truth and the other is rejecting the truth. You claim that righteousness is given through obedience, but God's Word says it's only given through FAITH IN JESUS and not through our law keeping.

According to you, you are SINLESS and perfectly keeping the law, so according to you you do not commit adultery or any sin!

But as for me and the rest of the world, we are sinners and James said we are guilty of breaking the WHOLE LAW, adultery included, yet we are covered by GRACE!

 

[savedbygrace57]

Everyone Christ died for and made Righteous, God honors them as being the ones that do His Commandments..Rev 14:12

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

Everyone Christ died for and made Righteous, God honors them as being the ones that do His Commandments..Rev 14:12

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

If any Calvinist actually obeys God it is an accident. And if any Calvinist is caught obeying God he would think it is a sin.

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

If any Calvinist actually obeys God it is an accident. And if any Calvinist is caught obeying God he would think it is a sin.

What did Calvin teach that would cause a person to be lost?

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

What did Calvin teach that would cause a person to be lost?

Every person that is naturally born is lost. For the naturally born by the process of natural birth are not children of God, Jn. 1:13 not by natural descent. So there is no teaching that can cause the condition of to be lost.

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

Every person that is naturally born is lost. For the naturally born by the process of natural birth are not children of God, Jn. 1:13 not by natural descent. So there is no teaching that can cause the condition of to be lost.

So Calvin didn't teach anyone to reject Christ and not have faith in Jesus? Right? So do you admit that Calvin didn't teach anything to cause a Christian to be lost?

(Not that I really care what Calvin taught.. I only follow Jesus and Scripture!)

By the way, in your belief and opinion, what happens to the baby who dies 1 or 2 hours after being born? Are they naturally LOST?