Roe v. Wade Overturned: Now What?

[Focus on the Family]

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[jaybo]

Now women will have to seek abortions in other states if their own state forbids it. Abortions will occur regardless.

 

[Edward]

Now women will have to seek abortions in other states if their own state forbids it. Abortions will occur regardless.

Oh come on Jaybo. Wouldn't it be a good thing if the baby got to live?

What are you so angry about? Now the baby will get to live! Don't you want grandkids?

 

[Edward]

Of course abortions will continue and prolly fairly widespread, but the important thing is that they will be slowed down. More will get to live and be able to enter into this celebaration of life on earth!

I believe the Lord is well pleased with this deision that was handed down.

 

[Free]

Now women will have to seek abortions in other states if their own state forbids it. Abortions will occur regardless.

It is unfortunate that abortions will continue, but, hopefully by making it more difficult, more lives will be saved. Abortion has never been an acceptable position within the Church, by the way.

 

[jaybo]

Oh come on Jaybo. Wouldn't it be a good thing if the baby got to live?

What are you so angry about? Now the baby will get to live! Don't you want grandkids?

I have two wonderful grandchildren! And I am angry about people who oppose abortion without knowing the facts.

The decision to abort a pregnancy is a difficult medical decision. My wife is a certified nurse-midwife who has delivered many babies and assisted in necessary abortions. When the life of the mother is at stake or the pregnancy is the result of rape or incest, abortion is clearly the best decision.

There are situations in which the fetus has an anomaly that prevents it from surviving on its own outside the womb and there are pregnancies, such as ectopic pregnancies, that are fatal to the mother. What is your solution to these conditions?

 

[Free]

I have two wonderful grandchildren! And I am angry about people who oppose abortion without knowing the facts.

As I am angry about people who are for abortion without having thought through the implications of their beliefs. This is particularly unacceptable for Christians.

The decision to abort a pregnancy is a difficult medical decision.

While, yes, I agree that some decisions to abort are difficult, this is begging the question of just what the unborn are. Abortion is an ethical and moral decision.

My wife is a certified nurse-midwife who has delivered many babies and assisted in necessary abortions. When the life of the mother is at stake

In an ectopic pregnancy, where both lives are at stake, I would agree.

or the pregnancy is the result of rape or incest, abortion is clearly the best decision.

No, it is not in these cases. Perhaps you need to read the testimonies of those who were raped and carried the baby to term, some even keeping the baby, as well as the testimonies of those who were conceived in rape.

How do difficult circumstances, even unimaginably difficult circumstances, in conception justify the killing of innocent human beings?

There are situations in which the fetus has an anomaly that prevents it from surviving on its own outside the womb and there are pregnancies, such as ectopic pregnancies, that are fatal to the mother. What is your solution to these conditions?

There are stories of doctors having told mothers-to-be that their baby would survive, but years later, their living child is proof they were wrong. Best to let the baby be born and see what happens.

 

[Edward]

I have two wonderful grandchildren! And I am angry about people who oppose abortion without knowing the facts.

The decision to abort a pregnancy is a difficult medical decision. My wife is a certified nurse-midwife who has delivered many babies and assisted in necessary abortions. When the life of the mother is at stake or the pregnancy is the result of rape or incest, abortion is clearly the best decision.

There are situations in which the fetus has an anomaly that prevents it from surviving on its own outside the womb and there are pregnancies, such as ectopic pregnancies, that are fatal to the mother. What is your solution to these conditions?

That may or may not be so in some medical situations, but those arent the abortions that I'm talking about. I'm talking about the young men and women who think it's a form of birth control.

 

[Edward]

I'm not trying to be difficult. But, Free, you came into my question to another member and I was interested in her opinion on something, It fell out of my mouth that I don't want to hear from an unbeliever right now. I had thought that you are the agnostic type. But you say no that is not so and I have wronged you for saying so.,

I know I have been wrong before about certain things. But it isn't hard to spot Believers! Not when one is a Believer themself. And I am a big time hard core Jesus freak.

How could I be so wrong about you? But! I know very well that I have been wrong before, so I must consider this possibility that I may be wrong and I may be right. What to do to solve it? Go to the Word, right?

This is supposed to make it fast for identification.

1 John 4:1-3
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.../

I had to ask you this because I didn't know if I was right or wrong yet. Still don't. I thought it woud be easy and the right thing to do. I added some around it but made sure to include this phrase for you, did Jesus come in the flesh?

And...you never did say it. I know that you wrote I affirm it. but seeing as how I misunderstand you so much, you'll have to be more specific than that. You said, I don't hae to...

I find that at least somewhat questionable and I must leave it up to the audiences discetion of what to think about this back and forth.

Hey! I just thought of an old great Riddle!

If you were formally charged with Christianity, would there be enough evidence to convict you?

It's a short phrase. Jesus came in the flesh. Free never did answer this question Brothers & Sisters. Jesus is not hard to type on y keyboard.
Jesus.
I trust you Jesus.
I trust you Jesus
I trust you Jesus.
I will say of the Lord Jesus that He is my refuge and my Fortress, My God.
In Him will I trust.

Did you read that Brother? What a wonderful use of bandwidth that was, wasn't it?! Pretty short too. It didn't take no time to type that.

But you don't have to you said, so, ok I guess. Answer the riddle lol.

 

[jaybo]

As I am angry about people who are for abortion without having thought through the implications of their beliefs. This is particularly unacceptable for Christians.


While, yes, I agree that some decisions to abort are difficult, this is begging the question of just what the unborn are. Abortion is an ethical and moral decision.


In an ectopic pregnancy, where both lives are at stake, I would agree.


No, it is not in these cases. Perhaps you need to read the testimonies of those who were raped and carried the baby to term, some even keeping the baby, as well as the testimonies of those who were conceived in rape.

How do difficult circumstances, even unimaginably difficult circumstances, in conception justify the killing of innocent human beings?


There are stories of doctors having told mothers-to-be that their baby would survive, but years later, their living child is proof they were wrong. Best to let the baby be born and see what happens.

If you were a doctor I would accept your opinions. But since you're not, I don't. BTW, who are you to say what is acceptable and what is unacceptable for Christians? I am a Christian and disagree with your opinions.

 

[Free]

If you were a doctor I would accept your opinions. But since you're not, I don't. BTW, who are you to say what is acceptable and what is unacceptable for Christians? I am a Christian and disagree with your opinions.

I have given ample reasons why on another thread (is there three or four?). Who am I to say? I’m a Christian that believes we shouldn’t be murdering innocent human beings, according to Scripture. I also believe that:

Rom 15:14 I myself am satisfied about you, my brothers, that you yourselves are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge and able to instruct one another.

Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, with thankfulness in your hearts to God.

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work

You may not accept my opinions, but how about answering my questions?

 

[Walpole]

Abortion and infanticide are the logical end and fruit of contraception.

 

[Edward]

I have given ample reasons why on another thread (is there three or four?). Who am I to say? I’m a Christian that believes we shouldn’t be murdering innocent human beings, according to Scripture. I also believe that:

Rom 15:14 I myself am satisfied about you, my brothers, that you yourselves are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge and able to instruct one another.

Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, with thankfulness in your hearts to God.

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work

You may not accept my opinions, but how about answering my questions?

Ok.

 

[Free]

Abortion and infanticide are the logical end and fruit of contraception.

Contraception certainly hasn’t helped, but abortion and infanticide have been happening since at least the Greco-Roman era. The main problem, as I see it, is the cult of self that has been forming over the last few hundred years. And now technology has made abortions much easier. I wouldn’t surprised if infanticide makes a comeback.

 

[Walpole]

Contraception certainly hasn’t helped, but abortion and infanticide have been happening since at least the Greco-Roman era. The main problem, as I see it, is the cult of self that has been forming over the last few hundred years. And now technology has made abortions much easier. I wouldn’t surprised if infanticide makes a comeback.

As has contraception.

 

[jasonc]

I'm going to be a bit of the devil's advocate as I choose not to have kids as my wife has children nearly my age .

She had her uterus removed due to fibroid cysts and also it can flip it self .her ob GYN advised her unless you want kids .and you are in your 40s premanpausal it's best to remove it .periods every day and way too much bleeding .

I was 28 then .

 

[jasonc]

Not all couples who marry want kids .not all are inclined to marry .I know a few women this way and I fit the former .
You can argue that it does create a problem .I'm not anti kids .as I have played tea party ,the kitchen with jaci and with Nathan I taught him things

 

[jaybo]

I have given ample reasons why on another thread (is there three or four?). Who am I to say? I’m a Christian that believes we shouldn’t be murdering innocent human beings, according to Scripture. I also believe that:

Rom 15:14 I myself am satisfied about you, my brothers, that you yourselves are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge and able to instruct one another.

Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, with thankfulness in your hearts to God.

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work

You may not accept my opinions, but how about answering my questions?

I have replied as I saw fit. I won't debate on your terms.

 

[Edward]

Not all couples who marry want kids .not all are inclined to marry .I know a few women this way and I fit the former .
You can argue that it does create a problem .I'm not anti kids .as I have played tea party ,the kitchen with jaci and with Nathan I taught him things

Well I bet that they don't stop making or selling condoms because of the ruling. In fact condom sales will get a huge boost in certain areas. Why can't they at least try to do something responsible before they resort to murder of the baby?

I saw a video this morning and they said that over 60% of all abortions done now are done without a procedure and it is accomplished with pills.

Uh-oh! Move over Fentynlel & Oxycodone, Abortion pills coming through!

 

[Free]

You debate dishonestly. You avoid answering questions and addressing the difficult points which prove your position to be false.

Case in point.

Again, what are the unborn?