Role of women as His disciples.

[gingercat]

I am a woman. I have been voicing my faith. Many men believe I am being unbiblical. I have been ridiculed, mocked and harrased many times even from women.

My husband left us because I am following His teachings and striving to obey all of them. He has been churchgoer all his life without much of fruit.
If he has been faithful I would have asked and talked to him about everything concerning faith and faithfulness.

I don't see much of men leading flock as spiritual leaders. I know I have to face the consequences if I am fighting against God for what I am doing.

I am fighting for the Lord and I believe He is giving privilege to women for this responsibility too.

God wants us to read between the lines of the Bible. Attacking women who is voicing and protesting about what is going on is plain bully and using Bible for their own conveniences.

There are many ways to silence the truth and reality of the churches. Silencing the women is just another one of them.

 

[Nocturnal_Principal_X]

Women have a voice, and should have a voice according to scripture. I can say that with certainty because of verses like Matthew 28:19-20, Mark 16:15, Acts 1:8. All of these verses call for ALL to proclaim the gospel. So if you’re a man or a woman then proclaim the gospel!

Now as far as women being pastorsâ€â€the Bible speaks against it. Does that mean women are to be mute on the matters of Godâ€â€NO! What it does mean is that women have other very important roles to fill. Christians are called to do the will of God…not ones own will. I question women who claim God has called them to pastor a church, and the reason I question that is because I don’t believe God would contradict Himself.

So should women be disciples of Christâ€â€should women proclaim the gospel to he lostâ€â€YES!

 

[gingercat]

Thank you, noc, I can agree with you 100% with you about the pastor. I was just accused of being arrogant as woman because I have been evangelizing and talking to other men discussing the difference.

 

[AVBunyan]

Thank you, noc, I can agree with you 100% with you about the pastor. I was just accused of being arrogant as woman because I have been evangelizing and talking to other men discussing the difference.

If you are referring to me are then you are misrepresenting me here - I never used the arrogant - I'll be glad to post my PM to you openly for all to see if I still have it.

 

[gingercat]

gingercat wrote:
AV,
I believe I owe you an explanation what I am doing since I lead you to believe I behaved inapproprately.


Thank you for seeking to explain.

But look Ginger - I believe you staying contact with me over these issues is inappropriate but I feel you are doing this because of your lack of understanding in some simple principles that many others also do not understand today - Now let me be blunt but in love for I know you most likely will not receive it.

1. I politely asked you to cease with me on this PM stuff and that should have been enough. You are not respecting a sincere request. It is not proper for a women to be contacting a married man, especially on doctrinal issues – My wife does not care for this kind of thing one bit and my wife is no dummy in these matters so you are not respecting her wishes also – dangerous ground here Ginger.

2. While I can appreciate your zeal and concern for the issues you are raising you are doing it in ignorance – I am not upset. You have zeal but little scriptural knowledge to back up your zeal.
a. It is not your duty scripturally or mine to go around and straightening out other churches.
b. You need to study the role of women in scripture in regards to spiritual and doctrinal issues. God never called women to be preachers and evangelists - to be a good witness, yes - but to go around seeking to straighten out other men or churches is not your role – leave that up for the Lord and for men to take the beating on doctrinal issues – God seeks to protect women from such things – women are easily deceived in spiritual matters – men have their own problems also. God has set aside a much higher calling for women than what you are seeking to do. I suggest you prayerfully study Gen.3 and I Timothy regarding this issue.

Now – I know that came across like a cold dish rag but this has gone on much to long.

Please – if you just have to continue this kind of correspondence then carry it on with others but not with me. This is my final request.

May God bless


End of quote,

I have been PMing many people for evangelizing and my convictions issues when I believe they have ears to hear. I talk to them with very friendly manner to keep them to listen to me. Just because I have been friendly to AV, he is taking it as in appropriate bahavior.

The other time some on this forum I speak like a man! I can never win can I?

Please read the whole thing very carefully if you cannot find any disrespect of my ability to voice my faith.

Moderator; please delete this post if I am breaking the rule exposing the pm.

 

[gingercat]

hello, anyone here?

 

[AVBunyan]

Just because I have been friendly to AV, he is taking it as in appropriate bahavior.

Ok Ginger - if your motive was be friendly then I apologize for being a bit harsh. But calling me brainwashed and going on about my stand on OSAS didn't strike me as tryinig to be friendly at the time.

But, again, if it was an attempt to be friendly in your unique way then again I apologize for misreading you. I still stand by what I said but I would have been much gentler in my approach.

I trust you will accept my sincere apology.

God bless

 

[destiny]

My husband left us because I am following His teachings and striving to obey all of them. He has been churchgoer all his life without much of fruit.
If he has been faithful I would have asked and talked to him about everything concerning faith and faithfulness.

Did you love your husband and treat him lovingly in spight of not seeing any spiritual fruit in him?

 

[gingercat]

Just because I have been friendly to AV, he is taking it as in appropriate bahavior.

Ok Ginger - if your motive was be friendly then I apologize for being a bit harsh. But calling me brainwashed and going on about my stand on OSAS didn't strike me as tryinig to be friendly at the time.

But, again, if it was an attempt to be friendly in your unique way then again I apologize for misreading you. I still stand by what I said but I would have been much gentler in my approach.

I trust you will accept my sincere apology.

God bless

I accept your appology AV .

 

[AVBunyan]

Did you love your husband and treat him lovingly in spight of not seeing any spiritual fruit in him?

Ouch :o

 

[destiny]

Did you love your husband and treat him lovingly in spight of not seeing any spiritual fruit in him?

Ouch :o

AV, I wasn't trying to be hurtful, Ginger brought it up first. It was an honest question with no evil intent.

P.S. Ginger you don't have to answer it if you don't want (you know that)...I'm just trying to understand you better.

 

[gingercat]

Did you love your husband and treat him lovingly in spight of not seeing any spiritual fruit in him?

Ouch :o

My main concern was our kids' spiritual welfare. He did not want to give up his secular way of living with his unhealthy habits. He had many habits. So we decided to separate. Fortunately the kids were old enough to decide which parent to live with and they picked me. It was so much easier for him to leave because I had to be with the kids. He has been churchgoers all his life without much of fruit. When I became Christian I did not want to live the way he did. I wanted be real Christian and raised the kids the way they should go. He did not want to cooperate with us.

thanks for your concern.

BTW, they are now 15 and 18; becoming fine Christians. Of course all of us have many many years to go, regadless, they are committed to Him. praise the Lord!!!! :angel: .

 

[Solo]

Did you love your husband and treat him lovingly in spight of not seeing any spiritual fruit in him?

Ouch :o

My main concern was our kids' spiritual welfare. He did not want to give up his secular way of living with his unhealthy habits. He had many habits. So we decided to separate. Fortunately the kids were old enough to decide which parent to live with and they picked me. It was so much easier for him to leave because I had to be with the kids. He has been churchgoers all his life without much of fruit. When I became Christian I did not want to live the way he did. I wanted be real Christin and raised the kids the way they should go. He did not want to cooperate with us.

thanks for your concern.

10 I command the married--not I, but the Lord--a wife is not to leave her husband. 11 But if she does leave, she must remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband--and a husband is not to leave his wife. 12 But to the rest I, not the Lord, say: If any brother has an unbelieving wife, and she is willing to live with him, he must not leave her. 13 Also, if any woman has an unbelieving husband, and he is willing to live with her, she must not leave her husband. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the Christian husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. 15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let him leave. A brother or a sister is not bound in such cases. God has called you to peace. 16 For you, wife, how do you know whether you will save your husband? Or you, husband, how do you know whether you will save your wife? 1 Corinthians 7:10-16 Holman Christian Standard Version

 

[destiny]

Did you love your husband and treat him lovingly in spight of not seeing any spiritual fruit in him?

Ouch :o

My main concern was our kids' spiritual welfare. He did not want to give up his secular way of living with his unhealthy habits. He had many habits. So we decided to separate. Fortunately the kids were old enough to decide which parent to live with and they picked me. It was so much easier for him to leave because I had to be with the kids. He has been churchgoers all his life without much of fruit. When I became Christian I did not want to live the way he did. I wanted be real Christin and raised the kids the way they should go. He did not want to cooperate with us.

thanks for your concern.

I was mostly just trying to understand if it was for spiritual reasons only, but I see thats not so.
Thanks for the reply.

 

[gingercat]

I was mostly just trying to understand if it was for spiritual reasons only, but I see thats not so.
Thanks for the reply.

One of his habbits were porn. Because of so many habbits he had he was moody most of the time. We did not have any peace in the family.

Now we are a big happy family without him. My oldest daughter with her 5 year old son joined us. She also decided to commit to Him 5 years ago.

 

[destiny]

One of his habbits were porn. Because of so many habbits he had he was moody most of the time. We did not have any peace in the family.

Now we are a big happy family without him. My oldest daughter with her 5 year old son joined us. She also decided to commit to Him 5 years ago.

I'm glad you guys are doing good, God is good. Maybe one day He'll get ahold of your ex...you never know.

 

[gingercat]

One of his habbits were porn. Because of so many habbits he had he was moody most of the time. We did not have any peace in the family.

Now we are a big happy family without him. My oldest daughter with her 5 year old son joined us. She also decided to commit to Him 5 years ago.

I'm glad you guys are doing good, God is good. Maybe one day He'll get ahold of your ex...you never know.

We are not divorced, only separated. I ask every one to pray for him. He needs it. thanks.

 

[gingercat]

This is for you Solo;

You have been accusing me of not being Christian or not having fruit.

I have been exposing my and my family's private lives because of my opposers' attacks like you.

You still continually refusing to look at my obvious fruit.

I am wondering when you are going to stop.

You are super good at quoting Scriptures. You are also good at showing off all of your knowledges. Knowlege and ability to quote Scripture is worthless unless it comes with good deeds. Just because you don't agree or you cannot see my work as good fruit, it does not really matter. Good deeds are in the eyes of beholders. You also dont realize that all good deeds comes from God! No one can do anything good, not even one!

Many pastors and chruchegoers gave me advices about our family situation but nothing worked. It is because their advices were superficial. They are not capable helping people who needs spiritual help. His pastor once told me to go to woman's shelter!

God started help our family powerfully after I stopped taking any advice from pastors and churchgoers. All they did was just confuse us with mixed messages and advices. We now rely on the Bible only when we have problems. Jesus helped us greately in dealing with my husband.

We cannot be fruitful or powerful for the Lord, unless we are committed to Him wholeheartedly.

May god bless you solo and every one.

in Jesus' name

His servant, hitomi wilde

 

[Solo]

This is for you Solo;

You have been accusing me of not being Christian or not having fruit.

I have been exposing my and my family's private lives because of my opposers' attacks like you.

You still continually refusing to look at my obvious fruit.

I am wondering when you are going to stop.

You are super good at quoting Scriptures. You are also good at showing off all of your knowledges. Knowlege and ability to quote Scripture is worthless unless it comes with good deeds. Just because you don't agree or you cannot see my work as good fruit, it does not really matter. Good deeds are in the eyes of beholders. You also dont realize that all good deeds comes from God! No one can do anything good, not even one!

Many pastors and chruchegoers gave me advices about our family situation but nothing worked. It is because their advices were superficial. They are not capable helping people who needs spiritual help. His pastor once told me to go to woman's shelter!

God started help our family powerfully after I stopped taking any advice from pastors and churchgoers. All they did was just confuse us with mixed messages and advices. We now rely on the Bible only when we have problems. Jesus helped us greately in dealing with my husband.

We cannot be fruitful or powerful for the Lord, unless we are committed to Him wholeheartedly.

May god bless you solo and every one.

in Jesus' name

His servant, hitomi wilde

Why are you posting this to me? You should be talking to God because it is his words I posted, not mine.

10 I command the married--not I, but the Lord--a wife is not to leave her husband. 11 But if she does leave, she must remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband--and a husband is not to leave his wife. 12 But to the rest I, not the Lord, say: If any brother has an unbelieving wife, and she is willing to live with him, he must not leave her. 13 Also, if any woman has an unbelieving husband, and he is willing to live with her, she must not leave her husband. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the Christian husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. 15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let him leave. A brother or a sister is not bound in such cases. God has called you to peace. 16 For you, wife, how do you know whether you will save your husband? Or you, husband, how do you know whether you will save your wife? 1 Corinthians 7:10-16 Holman Christian Standard Version

 

[gingercat]

solo,

I have been talking to God everyday. You have been bullying around telling people to be loving and be fruitful. What you do and say are not consistent. Please read my post again.

What is your point lising up those verses? What do those verses have to do with my situation?

I already resolved my problem with my husband successfully. Are you reading my posts? Why do you bother posting yours if you are not reading them? Your kind of advice is superficial. You have to know how to use Bible instead of quoting around that doesn't apply in real life.