Role of women as His disciples.

[Solo]

solo,

I have been talking to God everyday. You have been bullying around telling people to be loving and be fruitful. What you do and say are not consistent. Please read my post again.

What is your point lising up those verses? What do those verses have to do with my situation?

I already resolved my problem with my husband successfully. Are you reading my posts? Why do you bother posting yours if you are not reading them? Your kind of advice is superficial. You have to know how to use Bible instead of quoting around that doesn't apply in real life.

If you don't like to read the counsel of the Word of God, then your true fruits are showing.

 

[gingercat]

If you don't like to read the counsel of the Word of God, then your true fruits are showing.

What in the world think I am not reading the Bible? Where do you find I am breaking His teachings? I am not against the Bible, you are just using the Bible quotes all wrong.

See, you are again telling me I am not showing the fruit. How liar you are!

If you can't counsel people with real ability stop quoting around the Scriptures out of context please!

 

[Heidi]

I am a woman. I have been voicing my faith. Many men believe I am being unbiblical. I have been ridiculed, mocked and harrased many times even from women.

My husband left us because I am following His teachings and striving to obey all of them. He has been churchgoer all his life without much of fruit.
If he has been faithful I would have asked and talked to him about everything concerning faith and faithfulness.

I don't see much of men leading flock as spiritual leaders. I know I have to face the consequences if I am fighting against God for what I am doing.

I am fighting for the Lord and I believe He is giving privilege to women for this responsibility too.

God wants us to read between the lines of the Bible. Attacking women who is voicing and protesting about what is going on is plain bully and using Bible for their own conveniences.

There are many ways to silence the truth and reality of the churches. Silencing the women is just another one of them.

In Acts, Peter said that women will also be prophesying.

Galatians chapter 3 also says that all people, men, women, slaves, free, Gentiles, Jews, are equal before God. So take that together with Timothy where Paul tells women not to preach in church, that was simply the times in which they lived since women are under men. So if men allow women to teach in church, then they aren't sinning.

 

[gingercat]

thank you heide :angel:

 

[Solo]

If you don't like to read the counsel of the Word of God, then your true fruits are showing.

What in the world think I am not reading the Bible? Where do you find I am breaking His teachings? I am not against the Bible, you are just using the Bible quotes all wrong.

See, you are again telling me I am not showing the fruit. How liar you are!

If you can't counsel people with real ability stop quoting around the Scriptures out of context please!

10 I command the married--not I, but the Lord--a wife is not to leave her husband. 11 But if she does leave, she must remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband--and a husband is not to leave his wife. 12 But to the rest I, not the Lord, say: If any brother has an unbelieving wife, and she is willing to live with him, he must not leave her. 13 Also, if any woman has an unbelieving husband, and he is willing to live with her, she must not leave her husband. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the Christian husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. 15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let him leave. A brother or a sister is not bound in such cases. God has called you to peace. 16 For you, wife, how do you know whether you will save your husband? Or you, husband, how do you know whether you will save your wife? 1 Corinthians 7:10-16 Holman Christian Standard Version

 

[Imagican]

And may I add a couple of cents worth..............

We are also told to be satisfied with what we are 'given'. Many in todays society are NOT satisfied with ANYTHING other than what 'pleases' them personally.

In this context, slaves were told to be thankful for their blessings and to honor and obey their masters. Also, women were told to honor and obey their husbands. I know that this doesn't go over so well with todays 'attitudes' and that which is taught by many mothers to their daughters, but that doesn't change the Word.

ANY woman that is curious as to what is expected of them BY GOD, is plenty capable of reading and discerning the Word. Unfortunately the spirit of Eve still exists in abundance and many will simply disregard the FACT they they have their place just like men have theirs.

And using the excuse that men 'aren't' living up to their proper place is BY NO MEANS an excuse for women to disregard what they have been TOLD is theirs.

The bottom line. Women are to be 'submissive' to their husbands ACCORDING TO THE WORD. NO, our society today would teach that women are to be independent and only be concerned with what 'pleases' them. I wish ANYONE with such attitudes that professes or even 'hopes' to be a Christian luck in such an endeavor.

So, when we consider 'fruit', are we not bound to discern such by observing the Word? I mean, there is 'true' fruit of the Spirit, and then there's that which 'appears' to be fruit by those that use man's understanding to discern instead of that offered by our Father.

 

[Solo]

And may I add a couple of cents worth..............

We are also told to be satisfied with what we are 'given'. Many in todays society are NOT satisfied with ANYTHING other than what 'pleases' them personally.

In this context, slaves were told to be thankful for their blessings and to honor and obey their masters. Also, women were told to honor and obey their husbands. I know that this doesn't go over so well with todays 'attitudes' and that which is taught by many mothers to their daughters, but that doesn't change the Word.

ANY woman that is curious as to what is expected of them BY GOD, is plenty capable of reading and discerning the Word. Unfortunately the spirit of Eve still exists in abundance and many will simply disregard the FACT they they have their place just like men have theirs.

And using the excuse that men 'aren't' living up to their proper place is BY NO MEANS an excuse for women to disregard what they have been TOLD is theirs.

The bottom line. Women are to be 'submissive' to their husbands ACCORDING TO THE WORD. NO, our society today would teach that women are to be independent and only be concerned with what 'pleases' them. I wish ANYONE with such attitudes that professes or even 'hopes' to be a Christian luck in such an endeavor.

So, when we consider 'fruit', are we not bound to discern such by observing the Word? I mean, there is 'true' fruit of the Spirit, and then there's that which 'appears' to be fruit by those that use man's understanding to discern instead of that offered by our Father.

Exactly correct. :D

 

[newvalor]

Galatians chapter 3 also says that all people, men, women, slaves, free, Gentiles, Jews, are equal before God. So take that together with Timothy where Paul tells women not to preach in church, that was simply the times in which they lived since women are under men. So if men allow women to teach in church, then they aren't sinning.

Men and Women are equal, we just have different roles. Now I am not professing that I know everything, but I do have a really good understanding of my role, at home and in the church, as a man so far. I am in the process of understanding the role of a women. And from what I have been learning, both roles are equally important.

Here is my base understanding:

The man needs to take the leadership roles, there are certain types of problems that needs to be faced head on, and that is done by the male. So the male role is like the outer walls of a house. Shielding from outer forces. Now the woman is the supporter, she helps keep the man standing. She is like the support beam for a house. Without the outershell of the house, the support beams are open to attack, and without a the support beam the outer shell is vulerable to destruction.

This is the way I see this concept, so remember both roles are very important. Unfortunatly I will admit that the world is trying to get the man to take a side step and stop fullfilling his role. This leads to the woman trying to fullfill a role she was no designed for, which in turn leaves the house completely unprotected.

Remeber how are we to grow as a family(the church) if people don't start fullfilling the roles that they are given.

God has designed things to be a certain way, because He knows best.

I'm not saying women can't teach, I'm saying that there is something wrong with a church that starts to put women in the leadership of the Church. Because that is the role God gave to men.

My thoughts are not an attack on anybody, they are more of a challenge for us as a church to stop attacking each other and to start doing what God asks of us!!

 

[gingercat]

Solo, You are still unable to point out my error :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[newvalor]

Galatians chapter 3 also says that all people, men, women, slaves, free, Gentiles, Jews, are equal before God. So take that together with Timothy where Paul tells women not to preach in church, that was simply the times in which they lived since women are under men. So if men allow women to teach in church, then they aren't sinning.

Men and Women are equal, we just have different roles. Now I am not professing that I know everything, but I do have a really good understanding of my role, at home and in the church, as a man so far. I am in the process of understanding the role of a women. And from what I have been learning, both roles are equally important.

Here is my base understanding:

The man needs to take the leadership roles, there are certain types of problems that needs to be faced head on, and that is done by the male. So the male role is like the outer walls of a house. Shielding from outer forces. Now the woman is the supporter, she helps keep the man standing. She is like the support beam for a house. Without the outershell of the house, the support beams are open to attack, and without a the support beam the outer shell is vulerable to destruction.

This is the way I see this concept, so remember both roles are very important. Unfortunatly I will admit that the world is trying to get the man to take a side step and stop fullfilling his role. This leads to the woman trying to fullfill a role she was no designed for, which in turn leaves the house completely unprotected.

Edit: OF course I'm assuming that God is the foundation on which we build :D

Remeber how are we to grow as a family(the church) if people don't start fullfilling the roles that they are given.

God has designed things to be a certain way, because He knows best.

I'm not saying women can't teach, I'm saying that there is something wrong with a church that starts to put women in the leadership of the Church. Because that is the role God gave to men.

My thoughts are not an attack on anybody, they are more of a challenge for us as a church to stop attacking each other and to start doing what God asks of us!!

 

[gingercat]

Imagican,

This is my thread. It seems that you have something against my posts or practice. Why don't you make that clear instead of being so vague? Or you don't know how I am breaking His teachings?

 

[gingercat]

I'm not saying women can't teach, I'm saying that there is something wrong with a church that starts to put women in the leadership of the Church. Because that is the role God gave to men.

This is my thread and my situation. I am questioning how some men treat other women disciples. Please read whole posts. If you see anything I am practicing against His teaching as His follower, I am willing to hear and I can refute it. I have been reading the Bbile and been resolving problems according to His teachings.

thanks.

 

[newvalor]

Galatians chapter 3 also says that all people, men, women, slaves, free, Gentiles, Jews, are equal before God. So take that together with Timothy where Paul tells women not to preach in church, that was simply the times in which they lived since women are under men. So if men allow women to teach in church, then they aren't sinning.

Men and Women are equal, we just have different roles. Now I am not professing that I know everything, but I do have a really good understanding of my role, at home and in the church, as a man so far. I am in the process of understanding the role of a women. And from what I have been learning, both roles are equally important.

Here is my base understanding:

The man needs to take the leadership roles, there are certain types of problems that needs to be faced head on, and that is done by the male. So the male role is like the outer walls of a house. Shielding from outer forces. Now the woman is the supporter, she helps keep the man standing. She is like the support beam for a house. Without the outershell of the house, the support beams are open to attack, and without a the support beam the outer shell is vulerable to destruction.

This is the way I see this concept, so remember both roles are very important. Unfortunatly I will admit that the world is trying to get the man to take a side step and stop fullfilling his role. This leads to the woman trying to fullfill a role she was no designed for, which in turn leaves the house completely unprotected.

Edit: OF course I'm assuming that God is the foundation on which we build :D

Remeber how are we to grow as a family(the church) if people don't start fullfilling the roles that they are given.

God has designed things to be a certain way, because He knows best.

I'm not saying women can't teach, I'm saying that there is something wrong with a church that starts to put women in the leadership of the Church. Because that is the role God gave to men.

My thoughts are not an attack on anybody, they are more of a challenge for us as a church to stop attacking each other and to start doing what God asks of us!!

The bold explains my purpose, and this was a reply to Heidi's post.


God has not brought anything to my heart about the way you serve Him.

 

[gingercat]

My thoughts are not an attack on anybody, they are more of a challenge for us as a church to stop attacking each other and to start doing what God asks of us!!

[/quote]

It sounds like you want to hide evil deeds under the rug to me.

Remember that Bible says expose to evil deeds of darkness.

 

[newvalor]

These boards are just an example. all I see is one attack after another. This is why you started this thread, because people were attacking you. Problem is, is that they are attacking you for serving christ! There are certain fundamental truths that bible teaches. But women speaking up and voicing what they know is not, as long as what they are talking about is the Truth( it is the same for men).

See people are not just attacking you, they are attacking the personal relationship you have with God. If God has not convicted of you that what you say and do is wrong, then most likely it isn't.

I'm just tired of all of the attacks on people. So instead of attacking each other we should fullfill what God tells of us.

Does this help explain myself, if not I will try harder. :D

 

[gingercat]

These boards are just an example. all I see is one attack after another. This is why you started this thread, because people were attacking you. Problem is, is that they are attacking you for serving christ! There are certain fundamental truths that bible teaches. But women speaking up and voicing what they know is not, as long as what they are talking about is the Truth( it is the same for men).

See people are not just attacking you, they are attacking the personal relationship you have with God. If God has not convicted of you that what you say and do is wrong, then most likely it isn't.

I'm just tired of all of the attacks on people. So instead of attacking each other we should fullfill what God tells of us.

Does this help explain myself, if not I will try harder. :D

Thank you for your explanation of your posts. :angel:

 

[Imagican]

Ok ginger, I'll bite again.

I ask anyone here that has read these posts and mine included if I offered ANY kind of an attack against ANYONE. All I tried to offer is that there IS a difference between men and women. In some respects they may be considered 'equal', BUT they, as far as roles are concerned, are ANYTHING BUT equal. Equal, my friends, means = the same. Women and men ARE NOT the same. Each is not only different in their roles according to the Bible, but different as far as their physiology also. So the parts that are equal, as far as I'm concerned, is in their ability to receive forgiveness. OTHER than this, they are almost COMPLETELY different. So I don't know that the word equal is even an equivocal word to use when comparing them.

Now, ginger, if there is any part of my first post that you took offense to, I would suggest that you go back and read it again. I didn't 'pick you out of a crowd' and dump on you in any way. If you took offense to what I stated, I suggest that there is some conflict that you have within yourself and that your directed malice towards me was misdirected.

You started the thread and the credit is ALL yours. I didn't know we could have 'personal' threads that 'only' certain members were allowed to post on though. If so, I certainly haven't read that one in the rules. And ANYTIME you offer to post your 'opinion' on a forum, it's kind of bogus for you expect EVERYONE to simply 'lay down' and agree with you. is's not my jaab mane'. Sorry.

So, ANYONE, PLEASE, let me know if my post was inappropriately offered on the topic of this thread. And ginger, if YOU are the only one that feels it is, then may I again offer that your hostility towards me is unfounded and uncalled for and perhaps a little deeper look inside may prove more 'beneficial', both to yourself, and everyone else that chooses to take part in this thread.

And the 'equal' part is mainly directed at newvalor. And I mean no disrespect or insult in saying this. I am simply pointing out that I am not completely in agreement with some of your definition of 'equal'. And to add just a little more wisdom to this thought; Lincoln did mankind little favor in his saying about 'all men......................' for there is little truth to be found here. All men are capable of being equal, (maybe), but that they were created this way is by NO means a 'truthful' statement. And, note that his statement did NOT include women. NO, NO, NO, I'm not bashing women. Just pointing out the obvious.

Political correctness is man's way of confining the ability of others to TELL THE TRUTH. Don't buy into it or suffer for your folly. Do you know who said this? Me.

God Bless,

MEC

 

[gingercat]

Imagican.

I brought this thread because of a particular problem I was facing. Why did you bring something up?

If you thought I was behaving inappropriately why dont you just say it instead of being vague?

thanks

 

[gingercat]

I am a mother as well as His disciple. I never neglect being mother. Jesus is so powerful that He is giving me enough energy and passion to fulfill both. My husband did not want to lead family as spiritual leader. What am I supposed to do? According to many churches, I am supposed to be submissive to him no matter what. I should let him lead the family.

That is not Biblical. I will submit to my husband if he is leading our family as we should go. We have responsibility to train our children up as they should go. If I let him lead our family, we all become a chaotic and unproductive family. I could not just let him do it.

He has porn habbit. According to Jesus, He is commiting adultery, and I have right to divorce him too. Why are you so hard on women? Is that really Christian? You just let husbands bully their wives because we are not suppoed to divorce?

You can tell a churches' capability in how they counsel and help their people's problems.

Because churches are not concentrating on being obedient to His teachings, they have chaos dealing with family problems.

 

[Nocturnal_Principal_X]

Because churches are not concentrating on being obedient to His teachings, they have chaos dealing with family problems.

Ok this has nothing to do with the topic. Oh and if you really believe that fiction then please provide your proof in another topic.