Role of women as His disciples.

[gingercat]

Because churches are not concentrating on being obedient to His teachings, they have chaos dealing with family problems.

Ok this has nothing to do with the topic. Oh and if you really believe that fiction then please provide your proof in another topic.

Noc,

Why do you keep avoid obvious problems of the churches? Look at the churches in general. So many woldly problems. Billy Graham has been stating many times that most of the churchgoers are not committed Christians. My family problems is just another prove. Un committed Christians have many, many problems. Why do you try so hard to focus away from real problems? We have many divorces and it always comes from uncommitted devotion. I became Christian only 7 years ago. My husband has been Churchgoer all his life and no one recognized his double standard. I have been to First Baptist church too and asked them about our family problem, you know what they say? You just let him do what he wants to do and I just obey! That was the counselor's advice.

I am so glad I never listened to them. My two young children are now fine, spiritually healthy Christians, and another doughter joined us for the Lord! Praise the Lord!!!

Because I did not listened to the churches we now can concentrate on helping others instead of never ending family problems.

Since you mentioned another topic, I will repeat it which I did several months ago.

 

[gingercat]

BTW Noc,

I have been voicing how conventional churches are treating women discples. It is not off the topic!

I have been outcasted from the conventional churches because I want to follow Jesus wholeheartedly and not just submitting to their church rules.

I will refuse to follow churches who are not interested in following Him wholeheartedly. I know you keep say "not all churches". I never say all churches. I could not find any Godly church so that is good enought for me to say most churches. That's why I always bring up Billy Graham to back me up. You don't take my word but you never say anything against famous evangelist!

 

[Imagican]

I don't believe he is avoiding anything. All he did was try to remind you of 'exactly' what you have felt a need to remind others of on this 'exact' thread;

You started the thread based on one subject, and then, out of the blue, changed it into 'something' else.

And that was a pretty slick way to try and regain composure if I do say myself. I don't believe that any church would even know enough about you to 'cast you out' unless of course you behave in a similar manner there that you do here. There are certainly ways to offer your disdain of the 'falling' churches that WOULD NOT bring about you being 'cast out'. But I can certainly see ways in which one could be unwelcomed if they were there simply to point out the 'flaws' of 'everyone' else.

And ginger, I always do my best to come to the point of 'anything' that I have something in which to offer. I have no 'hidden' agenda which most that know me here can attest to. I may 'certainly' have an agenda, but it is NOT hidden. I pretty much say what I feel a need to say and let the chips fall where they may. (Wow, and a bit of a poet at times without even trying, he he he).

No, ginger, when you first arrived on the forums and everyone was attacking you, I did my best to try and defend your views and make you feel welcome. Through my ignorance, I didn't realize that you weren't 'really' trying to communicate so much as 'tell' everyone else what their problems are. And ginger, don't get me wrong, we've all got em, (everyone I know at least).

So, now I find myself at odds with some of your statements. And it seems that no matter how hard I have tried to offer my point of view diplomatically, you find it necessary to ostracize yourself from ANYONE that doesn't agree with you 100 percent.

A little piece of advice, and I mean this ONLY in the friendliest sense: attacking individuals with self-righteousness and a 'holier than thou' attitude is certainly a strange way of offering your infamous 'fruit'. We are ALL 'babes in Christ'. some are bigger babies than others, but there is NOT a one of us that is perfect, no, not one. Therefore we are all 'still' learning, some; the basics, and others get a bit deeper, but I for one, have much, much, much, more to learn.

So, the easiest way for one to find themselves being attacked by everyone else is to simply start by attacking everyone else first.

Your Friend and brother in Christ,

MEC

 

[gingercat]

Good day imagican.

 

[gingercat]

I did not follow conventional way of resolving our family problem but I did follow His teachings. I had responsiblity to protect our children's spiritual growth. All my husband was doing was stumbling block to them. Conventional churches don't recognize whole problem because they are so cought up in their own small church ways.

Churches I talked to did not know how to help us! God helped us after I stopped asking or taking advice from them!

My husband is always welcom to join us if he repents and change the way of his living and do what he promised to God to be a Christian.

My kids are so glad I became Christian. We are all praying for my husband.

My kids are the most important and best blessing He ever gave me!!!!

My kids are the biggest prove of my devotion for God which He is supporting my decision.

thank you Jesus :angel: :angel: :angel:

 

[Nocturnal_Principal_X]

Noc,

Why do you keep avoid obvious problems of the churches? Look at the churches in general. So many woldly problems. Billy Graham has been stating many times that most of the churchgoers are not committed Christians. My family problems is just another prove. Un committed Christians have many, many problems. Why do you try so hard to focus away from real problems? We have many divorces and it always comes from uncommitted devotion. I became Christian only 7 years ago. My husband has been Churchgoer all his life and no one recognized his double standard. I have been to First Baptist church too and asked them about our family problem, you know what they say? You just let him do what he wants to do and I just obey! That was the counselor's advice.

I am so glad I never listened to them. My two young children are now fine, spiritually healthy Christians, and another doughter joined us for the Lord! Praise the Lord!!!

Because I did not listened to the churches we now can concentrate on helping others instead of never ending family problems.

Since you mentioned another topic, I will repeat it which I did several months ago.

Why do you continue to make blanked generalizations? Your statement looks like a simple attack on church in general. I am not ignoring the problem but the particular topic you decided to post your generalization in has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I am sorry about the unbiblical advice you got from a counselor, I would suggest a Biblical Counselor (Which is what I am studying to be by the way).

I do not advice blind following of a church and never will. What I do advice is still going to a church, because scripture makes it clear the need for a body of believers to be together to encourage, teach, and so forth. It is amazing to me how you take it as a sign that since you were in a crummy church that means all churches are crummy and worthless. Do many churches (if not most) need helpâ€â€YES! Does that give us the right to abandon themâ€â€NO!

In any event try to stay on topic, if you want to talk about the church and its failings then do that in a topic devoted to that.

 

[gingercat]

Noc,

Why do you keep avoid obvious problems of the churches? Look at the churches in general. So many woldly problems. Billy Graham has been stating many times that most of the churchgoers are not committed Christians. My family problems is just another prove. Un committed Christians have many, many problems. Why do you try so hard to focus away from real problems? We have many divorces and it always comes from uncommitted devotion. I became Christian only 7 years ago. My husband has been Churchgoer all his life and no one recognized his double standard. I have been to First Baptist church too and asked them about our family problem, you know what they say? You just let him do what he wants to do and I just obey! That was the counselor's advice.

I am so glad I never listened to them. My two young children are now fine, spiritually healthy Christians, and another doughter joined us for the Lord! Praise the Lord!!!

Because I did not listened to the churches we now can concentrate on helping others instead of never ending family problems.

Since you mentioned another topic, I will repeat it which I did several months ago.

Why do you continue to make blanked generalizations? Your statement looks like a simple attack on church in general. I am not ignoring the problem but the particular topic you decided to post your generalization in has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I am sorry about the unbiblical advice you got from a counselor, I would suggest a Biblical Counselor (Which is what I am studying to be by the way).

I do not advice blind following of a church and never will. What I do advice is still going to a church, because scripture makes it clear the need for a body of believers to be together to encourage, teach, and so forth. It is amazing to me how you take it as a sign that since you were in a crummy church that means all churches are crummy and worthless. Do many churches (if not most) need helpâ€â€YES! Does that give us the right to abandon themâ€â€NO!

In any event try to stay on topic, if you want to talk about the church and its failings then do that in a topic devoted to that.

Noc,

Are you saying that I am breaking the forum rules or is it your opinion?

Because I don't agree with your assesment.

I have been behaving as His one of dicsples and I did not get much of help from the churches I contacted with. This is a serious problem as His followers that that they are not capable of helping other fellow believers.

It seems that you are trying to brush it off.

 

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