Romans 5:12-14 … Christus Victor or Penal Substitution?

[Randy]

The punishment for sin is eternal damnation.
Is Jesus eternally damned?

Yes, he suffered for us but he was not punished in our place by the Father.
In his passion and death Christ gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. (Eph 5:2)
Heb chap 8&9 are about Jesus offering his sacrifice as atonement.

I think this explains it well
In his mediatorial role, Christ, living a sinless life and dying a selfless death, obtains favour from God so that he can approach and beseech Him for mercy and forgiveness on behalf of sinful man. God is not required to offer forgiveness, yet Christ’s sacrifice appeals to the intrinsic love and longsuffering of God. Christ as the obedient son who sacrifices himself, intercedes to obtain the mercy of the Father for those who are to be adopted in God’s family. From his paternal qualities of pity and love, the Father grants an avenue of forgiveness for mankind. (How Can I get To Heaven by Robert Sungenis)

If He took our stripes it is so we can live. And the scripture states we are healed as in will not die.
But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.

 

[justbyfaith]

Let us sing this chorus...

Open our eyes, Lord,
We want to see Jesus...
To reach out and touch Him...
To say that we love Him.

Open our ears, Lord,
And help us to listen...
Open our eyes, Lord,
We want to see Jesus.

 

[Randy]

Both are valid doctrines.

I think that your passage indicates Christus Victor but that Romans 3:23-27 declares penal substitution quite nicely.

I can see some truth in all the theories.
It is not written without punishment there is no forgiveness. It is written without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. Why? Because of the law given from above through angels was binding. Jesus stated He shed His blood for the forgiveness of sin. He did not state He took our punishment. He went to the cross because there was no other way. He asked the Father "if possible let that cup pass" He was arrested and crucified.

What's clear is that Jesus is how God chose to forgive sin. Whatever theology one wants to hold to. So one can't lawfully state I don't need Jesus I can just ask God to forgive my sins as it's not for man to choose how to forgive sin.

Col 1:20 Gods Will
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Propitiation means that the wrath of the Father was appeased by the sacrifice that was made.

He means God the Son held back his wrath against sinners who wanted him dead.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: Rev.6:16
Hide us from...the wrath of the Lamb?

Personally, I would knock their heads off for spitting on me too, But I would have done it much sooner. Thank God he didn't do it sooner to me!