SALVATION

[shad]

Glory,

You are misusing the scriptures to correct Jesus' commandments. You should use the Scripture to glorify Jesus, not free pass to sin.

Let me ask you this: Do you think you can get into God's kingdom without being holy and rightous?

 

[shad]

Panin,

Do you think you can get into heaven without being holy and righteous?

 

[glorydaz]

Glory,

You are misusing the scriptures to correct Jesus' commandments. You should use the Scripture to glorify Jesus, not free pass to sin.

Let me ask you this: Do you think you can get into God's kingdom without being holy and rightous?

I've been justified by the blood, buddy. I am holy and righteous already.
In fact, I'm already seated with Christ in heavenly places. I'm at rest in my Saviour.

Here I am...where are you?

But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

 

[glorydaz]

I have to say...I've never seen so many people so worried about other people's sins, have you?
You'd think their job was keeping US on the straight and narrow instead of themselves. :biglaugh

It does not bother you that people who are claiming to be Christians don't care about sinning? Christians are supposed to be shining out and glorifying God and Jesus.

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Show us one post in this thread where anyone has said they dont care about sinning?

Golly, just pull up any of Shad's and you'll see it every time.
He's so hung up on other people's sin he has no time to see his own. :biglaugh

 

[Cornelius]

I've been justified by the blood, buddy. I am holy and righteous already.
In fact, I'm already seated with Christ in heavenly places. I'm at rest in my Saviour.

Here I am...where are you?

Do you manifest this holiness ?

and..........


If you are seated in the heavenlies, do you exercise your authority in Christ over the curse and succeed? That is what you are claiming here.

I am asking you this, because the Bible says that people who claim this to be so, must indeed walk as Jesus walked.1Jn 2:6 he that saith he abideth in him (that would be you ! ) ought himself also to walk even as he walked. (Do you? )

 

[glorydaz]

I've been justified by the blood, buddy. I am holy and righteous already.
In fact, I'm already seated with Christ in heavenly places. I'm at rest in my Saviour.

Here I am...where are you?

Do you manifest this holiness ?

and..........


If you are seated in the heavenlies, do you exercise your authority in Christ over the curse and succeed? That is what you are claiming here.

I am asking you this, because the Bible says that people who claim this to be so, must indeed walk as Jesus walked.1Jn 2:6 he that saith he abideth in him (that would be you ! ) ought himself also to walk even as he walked. (Do you? )

Are you claiming any man besides our Lord will ever lead a perfect life?

Are you attempting to make me out a liar by asking me to say I have no sin?

Even worse, are you asking me to make Him out a liar?

I won't say that. What I will say is I'm covered by the blood so I am clean from all sin.

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

 

[Cornelius]

Are you claiming any man besides our Lord will ever lead a perfect life?

Are you attempting to make me out a liar by asking me to say I have no sin?

Even worse, are you asking me to make Him out a liar?

I won't say that. What I will say is I'm covered by the blood so I am clean from all sin.

I am claiming nothing. I have asked a perfectly legitimate question based on what you claim and what the Bible says about those who claim this for themselves.

Its a simple question. Why do you come out in "attack-mode" when I ask it ? Just answer it.

 

[Cornelius]

I will rephrase the question:

Do you think it is possible to manifest this holiness ?

 

[mutzrein]

I will rephrase the question:

Do you think it is possible to manifest this holiness ?

Oh well - I'll put my hand up - even though the question is directed to another . . .

Yes! And not only is it possible, but we should!

 

[Cornelius]

I will rephrase the question:

Do you think it is possible to manifest this holiness ?

Oh well - I'll put my hand up - even though the question is directed to another . . .

Yes! And not only is it possible, but we should!

Amen Now we can talk about the "how its possible" It would be great if you can share your thoughts about this brother

blessings
C

 

[Panin]

Panin,

Do you think you can get into heaven without being holy and righteous?

No, but it is Christ that is my Holyness and Righteousness, not my good works that have got me into heaven. And I am already there.

Do you think your works are what saves you and gets you into heaven? This must mean that you think you are holy and righteous enough person to get into heaven. Do you?

 

[Panin]

Show us one post in this thread where anyone has said they dont care about sinning?
Golly, just pull up any of Shad's and you'll see it every time.
He's so hung up on other people's sin he has no time to see his own. :biglaugh

I meant any one on the side of Eternal secruity, where has any of us stated that sin is okay?

Shad has accused us of that at least 5 times and Im growing tried of it. Its a cop out.

 

[mutzrein]

Cornelius - I'm not sure what happened there - I made a brief post and now find it isn't there. Please excuse me for not posting immediately again. I have a son due home from work any minute and I'm serving him dinner (it's 10.40pm), I have a few things to do besides getting some shut-eye and then I'm up at 5.30am for work myself.

blessings to you also

 

[Panin]

I will rephrase the question:

Do you think it is possible to manifest this holiness ?

This is a good question, but can I ask you to define this Holyness exactly please???. It needs to be made clear, I asked the same question of you earlier in a diferent way (no answer I might add), define works, what works are we to manifest or demonstrate in order that we may know we are saved???
Or to go with your doctrine to know we are "saved enough" at this present moment in time, should He return as a thief in the night.

I presume you ask this question of someone only so that you can take their inventory and establish for yourself if you think they are saved or not?? Fine, so what measurement do you use on me and yourself??

 

[shad]

No, but it is Christ that is my Holyness and Righteousness, not my good works that have got me into heaven. And I am already there.

You dont seem to know what you are talking about.

Do you think your works are what saves you and gets you into heaven? This must mean that you think you are holy and righteous enough person to get into heaven. Do you?

Why do you correct Jesus' word? Jesus says to make every effort to get into God's kingdom. You have been saying you cannot be saved by good works. Without making effort (work) you will not make into heaven or He will not tell us to make every effort. This is Jesus' word. You guys are making up your own salvation.

 

[shad]

I've been justified by the blood, buddy. I am holy and righteous already.
In fact, I'm already seated with Christ in heavenly places. I'm at rest in my Saviour.

Talk about arrogance. You are claiming yourself holy and righteous. Jesus is the one who judges if you are indeed holy and righteous.

Here I am...where are you?

You dont seem to know where you are in Christ, obviously.

 

[glorydaz]

I've been justified by the blood, buddy. I am holy and righteous already.
In fact, I'm already seated with Christ in heavenly places. I'm at rest in my Saviour.

Talk about arrogance. You are claiming yourself holy and righteous. Jesus is the one who judges if you are indeed holy and righteous.

Here I am...where are you?

You dont seem to know where you are in Christ, obviously.

See? There you go denying the very Word of God, once again.
Allow me to expand this verse a bit and see if you can recognize yourself among us.
Do you stumble at the very Word of God? Jesus has judged us holy and righteous. Is that so difficult for you to believe...oh ye of little faith?

5Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. 6Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 7Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, 8And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. 9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light; 10Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

 

[glorydaz]

You dont seem to know where you are in Christ, obviously.

LOL...Oh, yes I do. He's in me. Can you say the same?

To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

 

[Drew]

Drew, you continue to insist Rom. 2 and 2 Cor. say something they do not. Paul does not, in any way, say ultimate salvation is based on good works. A believers WORK is to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

You have provided zero Biblical evidence that when God (in Christ) judges us, He will base his verdict on the issue of whether we have believed.

For my part, I have provided Romans 2, Romans 8, ans 2 Corinthians 5, all of which assert that eternal life is granted on the basis of good works.

At the end of the day, this is about what the Biblical evidence supports - and I see no evidence at all for the position you are advocating.

We will be rewarded for the fruit produced by the Holy Spirit through us...our works of faith, but that does not affect our eternal life. We're eternal right now if we are His.

Againl, you have provided no evidence for this at all. The materrial in 1 Corinthians 3 - where people are saved even though their "works" to do pass muster - is directed specifically to Christian leaders and teachers. Check the context - Paul is not talking human beings in general and "good works" in general here - he is addressing a very specific issue and saying that if the leaders go astray in their function as leaders, this will not mean ultimate loss.

But it certainly does not excuse them from the Romans 2 judgement where good works are the basis for receiving eternal life.

 

[shad]

See? There you go denying the very Word of God, once again.

You are denying the authority of Jesus as Judge and judging yourself as holy and righteous. Wow.

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