Satan ...'saved' ...by Your Gospel Beliefs ?

[PDoug]

OK, Let's see if satan believes the same thing you do.

#1.) Does satan believe in Christ's, 'Death, Burial, and Resurrection' ?
Yes or No

#2.) Does satan believe in Christ's 2nd coming ?
Yes or No

#3.) Does satan know the Bible definition of Sin ?
Yes or No

Jay T,

There you go again. Note the following scripture:

(NASB)

James 2

14 What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food,
16 and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?
17 Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
18 But someone may well say, "You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works."
19 You believe that God is one You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.
20 But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?

The scripture above is the same as the following:

John 15

2 "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit.

As I've said to you repeatedly, genuine faith gives rise to righteous behavior seen in a person, all on its own (Romans 9:30). If someone who has faith does not see a natural improvement in his behavior, then that person's faith is dead. That is what the scriptures above are saying. This is what we and others discussed at length in this thread. Why do you keep putting forward this false doctrine of justification by works? The Catholic Church has led millions and millions of souls astray with this doctrine throughout the centuries. Why do you see it fit to follow in its footsteps?

 

[Lyric's Dad]

The word "works" has become like a cuss word in today's church. People don't see though that works are still attached to salvation.

Repenting is a work. Exercising faith is a work. Living a good life and shunning the world is a work.

How many people here would use the Lord's name in vain just because they can? Well, that is following the commandments. How about trying not to hate? Not stealing? Etc?

Following the commands of God have always been the expectation.

When Jesus said He came to fulfill the law, He also said is was not abolished. He came to fulfill so it could be kept. Only through His perfection can the commands be met perfectly. We try the best we can but in the end, His grace perfects us.

By golly, Lyric. That is the best explanation I have heard on this forum yet. You almost sound like an SDA! :D Actually, no. Even better than some. I post on a very conservative SDA forum and I said your last line too: "We try the best we can but in the end, His grace perfects us".

I nearly got stoned.

To them, we can keep ALL the commandments perfectly, and by the end of the age, God's people will NOT be sinning. If they do they will be lost.
Sounds great doesn't it? :roll:

Anyway, amen to your words!

Well, if somehow we can ever perfect ourselves I am certainly in trouble. I am in my thirties and no closer to perfection today then I was twenty years ago. I don't see it happening.

I will just do what I can in gratitude to Jesus and let Him do the hard stuff.

Thanks for your kind words.

 

[PDoug]

OK, Let's see if satan believes the same thing you do.

#1.) Does satan believe in Christ's, 'Death, Burial, and Resurrection' ?
Yes or No

#2.) Does satan believe in Christ's 2nd coming ?
Yes or No

#3.) Does satan know the Bible definition of Sin ?
Yes or No

Please note the following scripture:

(NASB)

James 2

14 What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food,
16 and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?
17 Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
18 But someone may well say, "You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works."
19 You believe that God is one You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.
20 But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?

An important point James was making was that directly believing in God is not having faith, since it does not lead to good works being seen in a person. This means that the following scriptures mean more than they appear on the surface:

Acts 16

29 The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas.
30 He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?â€Â
31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved–you and your household.â€Â

Mark 16

16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

John 3

16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him.â€Â

Mark 1

14 Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
15 and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel."

As I pointed out here, the only way someone can meet all the different requirements set out in the bible for salvation, is for that person to have faith the way Christ prescribed in Mark 11:22-24. Therefore when the bible says believe in God in order to be saved, it means have faith the way God says you should. When you have faith the way God says you should, it is then you believe in God in a way that is satisfactory to Him.

 

[Merry Menagerie]

Aaaaahh they may believe that Jesus did in fact live and die and was risen again but do they believe IN Jesus? And if so did they also REPENT?

Faith without works is dead - tis true. But works without faith is also dead - ponder that ;)

 

[wavy]

Faith without works is dead - tis true. But works without faith is also dead - ponder that ;)

This is absolutely true. However, no one is disputing this, however.

 

[Solo]

Faith without works is dead - tis true. But works without faith is also dead - ponder that ;)

This is absolutely true. However, no one is disputing this, however.

They are not disputing works without faith is dead, but they are selling it, because selling works without faith is the common practice of those that have no true faith.

 

[cj]

The only way to be saved is by God the Father drawing us to himself through his Son Jesus Christ by the work of God the Spirit. Whenever we are born of God's Spirit we become a new creature that is dragging around a sinful flesh. No good thing dwells in the flesh, and the only way that believers can live a life of love is by walking in the Spirit and not in the flesh. The only way God's truth can be interpreted correctly is when believers walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh.

Do not grieve the Holy Spirit by walking in the flesh. Don't believers know that they are sealed until the day of redemption by the Holy Spirit, and we will never see the wrath of God. Only those who are not saved will suffer the wrath of God.

The flesh sins but the inward man, the new creature born of God does not sin.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 3:9

You are absolutely correct Solo.

But,...... and listen closely,...... the problem is not found in the truth, the problem is found in the organs created to contain the truth.

This, because of a lack of proper teaching, is where many stumble.

The truth is in each born-again believer; the truth is Christ.

This truth though..... is not immediately in two other aspects of a believer's being.

When God comes to dwell in a person who has believed, He does so by first regenerating this person's spirit (renewing it) and then placing Himself in this regenerated spirit.

There can be no argument about this, for scripture is absolutely clear; upon believing, God comes to dwell one with man in his spirit.

This means that one-third of man's being is fully and completely saved, for where oneness with God is so goes man's salvation.

But there are still two-thirds of man's being that remain unsaved, the soul and the body. And in the sum of these two parts of man we find what is referred to as the fallen man.

And why? Because the mind is weak and thus is influenced by another aspect of his being; either the body or the spirit. And men love the things that please the body, so the desires of body (flesh) is usually given the nod ahead of the desires of the spirit.

Yet although the mind may be weak, the will may be stubborn and the emotion desires comfort,.... it is in this weak mind, stubborn will, and comfort-desiring emotion that the "work of God" must be done, and is done if allowed, after a person is born-again.


And what are we believer's regarding the work of God?

Co-workers.

Works is a matter of...... co-working with God in his work.

And anything else is simply the rotting flesh of fallen man, and will issue in that which is burnt-up as wood, hay, and stubble.


Only work that finds its source in the Spirit, which dwells in the regenerated spirit of men is acceptable to God,..... for it comes out of God.

And only that which comes out of God is received by God.


And this works of God is first expressed in our being, and then expressed in our living.

No work of God in our being means..... no work of God in our living. Its as simple as that.



And now to something JayT said......

Satan believes.

Okay. But so what.

Tell me JayT, are you not a reader of the bible? What does the bible declare about the salvation God offers to fallen angels?


JayT,.... there will come a time when every creature believes,..... yet many will still find themselves believing from hell.

Why, if they believe? Because they refused to do so in faith.

In God's economy, "seeing" does not count as believing, "seeing" counts as the point of judgement.

When one "sees" it is no longer a matter of then believing it is a matter of receiving what is seen. Believing is what causes us to see.

And what is this believing, this faith?

Scripture says it is the substantiation of our hope, the evidence of the unseen.

Did you get the "HOPE" part? Do you think Satan hopes in God?



Do you want to know what work is?

Sure you do....... Work is believing,.... but,.... not as a result of eating from the tree of knowledge, but as a result of eating from the tree of life.

And what is it to eat from the tree of life?

It is to receive God as light and love.


Think about it for a moment....... God can empower any creature to do what He wants, but He must work to get a creature to do what He wants (light) out of love. And men believe in God (light) out of love (resulting in.... life).

The Jews believed in God and His instructions, but the majority did not love Him. And so their belief simply became a work out of human effort, based on selfish reasoning.


Tell you what,.... go have a relationship with your wife based on the ground on which the Jews stood regarding their relationship with God.

See what the issue will be.

Don't relate to your wife out of love, relate to her out of duty and let us know the result.


Yes Satan knows all about God, His Son, and His Spirit,...... but Satan has refused to allow it to remove him from his rebellious stance. And why? Because he can't.

But men are not Satan, although some follow him.


There is no sword guarding the tree of knowledge,.... only the tree of life.


In love,
cj

 

[gingercat]

Faith without works is dead - tis true. But works without faith is also dead - ponder that ;)

This is absolutely true. However, no one is disputing this, however.

They are not disputing works without faith is dead, but they are selling it, because selling works without faith is the common practice of those that have no true faith.

Why are you people who are against the saved working persecuting faithful ones? You are fighting against God when you persecute faithful ones. Jesus gave us so much work to do. It seems that you are jealous of people who can follow Jesus without complaining. We don't see any faithful and godly ones who are lazy in the Bible. Not even one. Being good witnesses is our main job for His glory. Without doing good works we can never be good witnesses. When we have Jesus in us He urges us to do good deeds. It is so simple even young people can understand. Do you know why we have lots of hypocricy in free countries? Because we don't accept the work Jesus assigned us to do. We are experts in making excuses. Most of us enjoy debating the Bible just like Pharisees and Scribes in the NT. And Jesus called them hypocrites.

 

[cj]

I nearly got stoned.

A natural response of religious men.

The more things change the more theyt remain to same.


In love,
cj

 

[cj]

Well, if somehow we can ever perfect ourselves I am certainly in trouble. I am in my thirties and no closer to perfection today then I was twenty years ago. I don't see it happening.

Allow me to share a little something I've come to know,..... perfection starts with the clear revelation of who the enemy of perfection is.


Ever heard of, "I've seen the enemy, and he be me."


I don't know you so well Lyric's Dad, but I venture to say that although you can't say that you are any different in what you see in your living, I'd bet that you can say that you're a lot more aware of how easy it is for you to fail in your walk with the Lord.


The first aspect of man's perfection is found in man coming to know who he really is. And this takes years and years to accomplish.

.... I don't see it happening.

Actually, the fact that you can say this means that you do see. But you have not yet come to a clear understanding of what you see.

And this is where proper teaching can help; getting us to be clear about what we are seeing.


The only reason I can make a decision not to go "over there" is because I am aware of what is "over there".


God is no fool folks,... He knows that the inward man is entire problem.

See, on the cross He dealt with everything else.


In love,
cj

 

[cj]

Faith without works is dead - tis true. But works without faith is also dead - ponder that ;)

And while doing so, ponder this,.... faith is Christ.


Acts 3:12-16,

And when Peter saw this, he replied to the people, Men of Israel, why are you marveling at this? Or why are you gazing at us, as though by our own power or godliness we have made him walk?

The God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him. But you denied the holy and righteous One and asked that a man who was a murderer be granted to you;

And the Author of life you killed, whom God has raised from the dead, of which we are witnesses.

And upon.... Christ,..... Christ..... has made this man strong, whom you behold and know; and.... Christ..... has given him this wholeness of health before you all."


Hebrews 11:1,

"Now Christ is the substantiation of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen."


Jame 2:18-26,

But someone will say, You have Christ, and I have works;... show me.... Christ without the works, and I will.... show you my Christ by my works.

You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe and shudder. But are you willing to know, O vain man, that Christ without its works is useless?

Was not Abraham our father justified by works in that he offered up Isaac his son upon the altar?

You see that Christ worked together with his works, and by these works Christ was perfected (in Abraham). And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "And Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him as righteousness''; and he was called the friend of God.

You see that a man is justified by works and not by Christ only.

And in like manner was not also Rahab the harlot justified by works in that she received the messengers and sent them out by a different way?

For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also Christ without works is dead."


Tell me, what would Christ be if not for the work of resurrection power?


Now,..... what, or better yet, Who, is resurrection?

Who declared, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes into Me, even if he should die, shall live;"

And Who declared this, "No one takes it away from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it again. This commandment I received from My Father."



You know saints, many times I am brought to the point of wondering if I really know just Who this Christ really is.




In love,
cj

 

[gingercat]

Cj, when I read your posts you are making salvation much more complicated than it actually is. Why are you doing this? We have so many things to do to just be debating and nit-picking over small things that do not matter so much. Yes God is unlimited and humongenous. But we are not obedient in so many ways in the things we already know. Why don't we focus on how we can glorify God with what we already know? It's not wise to confuse people with mysticle words. We are already confused enough!

 

[PDoug]

Why are you people who are against "working for salvation", persecuting faithful ones? You are fighting against God when you persecute faithful ones. Jesus gave us so much work to do. It seems that you are jealous of people who can follow Jesus without complaining. We don't see any faithful and godly ones who are lazy in the Bible. Not even one. Being good witnesses is our main job for His glory. Without doing good works we can never be good witnesses. When we have Jesus in us He urges us to do good deeds. It is so simple even young people can understand. Do you know why we have lots of hypocricy in free countries? Because we don't accept the work Jesus assigned us to do. We are experts in making excuses. Most of us enjoy debating the Bible just like Pharisees and Scribes in the NT. And Jesus called them hypocrites.

Per Galatians 5:4 you are not supposed to try and achieve righteousness through works - while having faith. If you try to do so, you will lose your salvation. What you are supposed to do, is ensure that your faith is authentic. The way that you know your faith is authentic, is by the natural appearance of righteousness seen in your behavior, as a result of your having faith (Romans 9:30).

 

[gingercat]

Why are you people who are against "working for salvation", persecuting faithful ones? You are fighting against God when you persecute faithful ones. Jesus gave us so much work to do. It seems that you are jealous of people who can follow Jesus without complaining. We don't see any faithful and godly ones who are lazy in the Bible. Not even one. Being good witnesses is our main job for His glory. Without doing good works we can never be good witnesses. When we have Jesus in us He urges us to do good deeds. It is so simple even young people can understand. Do you know why we have lots of hypocricy in free countries? Because we don't accept the work Jesus assigned us to do. We are experts in making excuses. Most of us enjoy debating the Bible just like Pharisees and Scribes in the NT. And Jesus called them hypocrites.

Per Galatians 5:4 you are not supposed to try and achieve righteousness through works - while having faith. If you try to do so, you will lose your salvation. What you are supposed to do, is ensure that your faith is authentic. The way that you know your faith is authentic, is by the natural appearance of righteousness seen in your behavior, as a result of your having faith (Romans 9:30).

What is your point? Did I say something unbiblical? I haven't seen anyone who works hard for the Lord seem unauthentic. We work hard because of what Jesus is telling. Is it so hard to understand? Do you know that Jesus is giving us a lot of work to do? The NT is filled with the work.

EDIT: I see what was wrong. My apologies. I meant not "working for salvation" but "the saved working".

 

[PDoug]

Why are you people who are against "working for salvation", persecuting faithful ones? You are fighting against God when you persecute faithful ones. Jesus gave us so much work to do. It seems that you are jealous of people who can follow Jesus without complaining. We don't see any faithful and godly ones who are lazy in the Bible. Not even one. Being good witnesses is our main job for His glory. Without doing good works we can never be good witnesses. When we have Jesus in us He urges us to do good deeds. It is so simple even young people can understand. Do you know why we have lots of hypocricy in free countries? Because we don't accept the work Jesus assigned us to do. We are experts in making excuses. Most of us enjoy debating the Bible just like Pharisees and Scribes in the NT. And Jesus called them hypocrites.

Per Galatians 5:4 you are not supposed to try and achieve righteousness through works - while having faith. If you try to do so, you will lose your salvation. What you are supposed to do, is ensure that your faith is authentic. The way that you know your faith is authentic, is by the natural appearance of righteousness seen in your behavior, as a result of your having faith (Romans 9:30).

What is your point? Did I say something unbiblical? I haven't seen anyone who works hard for the Lord seem unauthentic. We work hard because of what Jesus is telling. Is it so hard to understand? Do you know that Jesus is giving us a lot of work to do? The NT is filled with the work.

EDIT: I see what was wrong. My apologies. I meant not "working for salvation" but "the saved working".

What Jay T keeps talking about is salvation by works. Good works that are produced from faith happen naturally - without your making a conscious effort to do them for the sake of salvation (Romans 9:30). Someone who has great faith will be naturally driven within himself to do great works. He will also be outfitted by God to do what he sets out to do. The man who does works that are caused by his faith, will labor even when there seems no obvious point to doing what he is doing. He will labor when he is assailed by evil. He will labor to expose the ways of God, even though God has exposed him to great distress. To an extent the man who has real faith will be assured he belongs to God, because he will find himself doing all these things, when under normal circumstances he just plain wouldn't do them. Also, the man who has real faith will be assured he belongs to God, by the good deeds he finds himself constantly doing (most of the time without realizing it), amid the various situations he finds himself in.

 

[cj]

But we are not obedient in so many ways in the things we already know. Why don't we focus on how we can glorify God with what we already know? It's not wise to confuse people with mysticle words. We are already confused enough!

And in your words above you present the perfect example of contradiction out of confusion.


How can you expect to glorify God when in your own words you are "confused"?


Gingercat, simplicity is a wonderful thing, but God did not create man to be simple, God created man to have dominion over every living thing on the earth. Does that sound like a simple endeavor?


Does living through death sound simple?

God is not simple Gingercat, and He does not expect us to be simple.

In fact, God tells us this through Paul's words,.... grow up and eat meat means stop being simple-minded.


Fact is Gingercat, I believe that most of what I say is simple.

What's not simple is the convulted reasoning behind one's opinion deeming what I say as being complicated.

Got that?


In love,
cj

 

[cj]

We have so many things to do to just be debating and nit-picking over small things that do not matter so much....

Tel you what, why don't you tell me what these things are that I said that do not matter much.

In love,
cj

 

[wavy]

What Jay T keeps talking about is salvation by works. Good works that are produced from faith happen naturally - without your making a conscious effort to do them for the sake of salvation (Romans 9:30).

This is untrue, that is not what Jay T is saying, and the scripture you quoted (Romans 9:30) that was supposed to support this statement:

Good works that are produced from faith happen naturally - without your making a conscious effort to do them for the sake of salvation

...does not support it at all, or have anything to do with it. There is absolutely no basis for any of the statements you made.

Our free will is not taken away, and we do not become robots by faith so we "unconsciously" do good works. That is nowhere in the bible.

Read James:

James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Not to boast, but as a proof that you are legitimate if your faith is in question or if some one else teaches "faith alone" in some corrupted, abstract form of mere "belief".

Romans 9:30 is speaking in the context of faith that merits grace that allows justification through Messiah's imputed righteousness by his atonement. Although the "nations" had not kept Torah in past times, they acheived righteousness because of faith in Messiah while Israel who followed after the Torah of righteousness (primarily Jewish Israel) were tripped up by this, not realizing Messiah was who they should have been aiming at (Romans 10:4).

We are not robots. We can still sin (even if we still "believe"). We are not mindless instruments of unconscious works. Know why Abraham offered Isaac and was circumcised? Know why we are baptized? Know why we preach and help the poor and the orphan/fatherless and the widow?

Because we lose ourselves in some sea of spiritual unconsciousness? No. Because we, loving Yahweh, do as he says as obedient servants. You are promoting "morale" in the wrong sense, it seems.

If we never heard of baptism, nothing, in any form of faith or the Spirit of Yahweh, could "make" us know to go get baptized. We have to be told. And after we are told, we have to make a conscious, loving effort to do it. Baptism is a "work".

What if Yahweh told you to go to some of the lost in some remote country somewhere and preach? Do you have to make the decision to obey? Or do you, at the moment he tells you, lose your personhood and unconsciously go by a ticket for whatever method of transportation, and unconsciously pack a bag and get maybe a group of trusted friends to go with you, and do you unconsciously go get on the plane/boat/whatever and unconsciously get off and do your job and unconciously return to your home and then finally wake up from the "spiritual laspse" period and be like, "hey must have been a dream!"???????

:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

Sorry. Just a little rant there...

 

[PDoug]

What Jay T keeps talking about is salvation by works. Good works that are produced from faith happen naturally - without your making a conscious effort to do them for the sake of salvation (Romans 9:30).

This is untrue, that is not what Jay T is saying, and the scripture you quoted (Romans 9:30) that was supposed to support this statement:

Good works that are produced from faith happen naturally - without your making a conscious effort to do them for the sake of salvation

...does not support it at all, or have anything to do with it. There is absolutely no basis for any of the statements you made.

The following is a quotation of what Jay T wrote here:

[Just to be clear: a person is not supposed to directly pursue righteousness in order to achieve it,

Leave no impression that man has no responsibility, in their own salvation.

Man has a work to do...in their own salvation.
Philippians 2:12 "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, [work out your own salvation] with fear and trembling".
God provides the tools (grace, ect.), but it is man, who must use them in the correct manner.

Remember that faith is gained by Bible study (Romans 10:17), and God does not....study the Bible for you.
It is a responsibility, you must bear, 'IF' ...you are to progress in the faith that 'saves' anyone.

Also, the keeping of the Law of God (the 10 commandments, as found in Exodus 20:3-17), is a work 'you' must do yourself.....WITH Jesus Christ, providing the power, to do so.

As it is written: Eccl. 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man".
This is a Bible verse very, very, few, in the Christian world understands !

Jay T may not have explicitly stated that one must work for his salvation in this thread (so far), but he has certainly made that statement many times in other threads.

Please note the following scripture:

Romans 9

30 What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith;
31 but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it.
33 As it is written:
"See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall,
and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."

If the Gentiles in the above scripture do not consciously pursue righteousness, but achieve it anyhow, what other way than naturally / unconsciously can they achieve it?

 

[wavy]

Jay T may not have explicitly stated that one must work for his salvation in this thread (so far), but he has certainly made that statement many times in other threads.

Well, I haven't seen it, and it has no place here. :wink:

Please note the following scripture:

Romans 9

30 What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith;
31 but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it.
33 As it is written:
"See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall,
and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."

If the Gentiles in the above scripture do not consciously pursue righteousness, but achieve it anyhow, what other way than naturally / unconsciously can they achieve it?

This has nothing to do with "consciously". This has to do with the past. Why do they have right standing even though in past times they were walking outside of the boundries of righteous Torah?

Because they have faith and so righteousness is imputed to them just like it was to Abraham before he (consciously) did works (obeyed Yahweh).