SatanBound

[Hitch]

There is no shortage of ideas about when and what satan being bound really means. Many are just plain silly. The trouble with the worst of them is that they are based on ignoring what Jesus actually said. It might not suit your girlish notions but if you fail to submit to what Jesus taught you'll always be helping the enemy.


24Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn....

35That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
36Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

 

[Lehigh3]

If one understands the figurative "thousand years" in Rev.20 AND understands that Revelation 20 is a recapitulation (& part of what was, is, & will be soon for John) of the 40 yrs. the "martyrs" & saints brought the gospel to "every creature under heaven" as Paul confirmed- then we have a Biblically sound basis of knowing what, how & when & from what satan was bound!

I must 1st interpret "the harvest is at the end of the age" you quote from Matt.13:39 (you forgot to cite the chapter "13" btw)

We see the fulfillment of this prophecy by Jesus in Rev.14:14-20. The "earth" in that passage refers to the land of Israel - where God's wrath of judgment upon the Jews after the flesh occurred. The righteous remnant were the Hebrew Christians- & they were "harvested" as wheat into God's barn & did not suffer God's wrath. Josephus even describes this scene & the blood & punishment in both literal & hyperbolic terms in War of the Jews.

Now to satan being bound..... The 1st indication of when satan was bound comes from Christ himself in Matt.12:29-30, regarding the father of the Jews -the devil- & binding the strongman & his kingdom.
So Jesus taught & gave the apostles authority in His name to bind serpents & scorpions & devils. We may say that satan was 1st bound during Christ's ministry - or at the cross. We shall approximate the time to be AD27-30, for reference.

What was satan bound from? Well, back to the 40 yr. "millennium" in Rev.20. The same "martyrs" who lived & reigned with Christ's authority as judges (the apostles & saints) did something during that time called "the great commission."
They evangelized to the nations. How could they evangelize to the nations while satan was so very active (in that wicked generation as Jesus rebuked?)

The answer is simple & in the Text. Satan was "bound" so that the nations could receive the gospel! Those satan would have deceived (as prophesied long before) would not receive the gospel of the kingdom.

So, we have... a when satan was bound, a why, & from what answered from the Scriptures.

We can then move on further to realize the Scriptures say that satan still would be released after the "millennium" was over "for a "little while."

So, if the "millennium" when which the saints brought the gospel of the kingdom to the world was from AD27-67 (a 40 yr. period) then we have perfect understanding of the "great tribulation" of 3 1/2 yrs., when the zealots of Israel after the flesh did rebel against the pagan beast- Rome- & we have Rome divinely decreed to burn the harlot with fire.

So we have satan released to those he would deceive, as predicted - & the wrath of God unleashed upon His enemies in the great tribulation- ending in Jerusalem with the end of the old "heaven & earth" covenant people- & the bring in of the new Jerusalem!

Something for all non- Preterists to definitely consider.

 

[Stormcrow]

{28} "But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. {29} "Or how can anyone enter the strong man's house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. Matthew 12:28-29 (NASB)

Satan was bound during Christ's earthly ministry so that - after the cross - Christ could do this:

{8} Therefore it says, "WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH, HE LED CAPTIVE A HOST OF CAPTIVES, AND HE GAVE GIFTS TO MEN." {9} (Now this expression, "He ascended," what does it mean except that He also had descended into the lower parts of the earth? Ephesians 4:8-9 (NASB)

With Satan bound, Christ marched through the gates of hell and took all those saints who died before Him and raised them with Him. That's the first resurrection.



{50} And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. {51} And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split. {52} The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; {53} and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many. Matthew 27:50-53 (NASB)

 

[Hitch]

Indeed. Since we all were of the kingdom of darkness it is evident the enemy is unable to secure his enclosure.

The idea the satan bound means it is completely removed from all influence just cant fit into the model Jesus gave in the OP. But its worse for those who follow that idea nearly always add to it the prediction of rebellion following on the very heels of the Rod of Iron rule.

Jesus says Cheer up I have overcome the world.

Satan says, the kingdom of light is fading.

 

[Lehigh3]

by Stormcrow,

{8} Therefore it says, "WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH, HE LED CAPTIVE A HOST OF CAPTIVES, AND HE GAVE GIFTS TO MEN." {9} (Now this expression, "He ascended," what does it mean except that He also had descended into the lower parts of the earth? Ephesians 4:8-9 (NASB)

With Satan bound, Christ marched through the gates of hell and took all those saints who died before Him and raised them with Him. That's the first resurrection.

{50} And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. {51} And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split. {52} The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; {53} and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many. Matthew 27:50-53 (NASB)

I think we disagree somewhat with this interpretation. "With Satan bound, you say, "Christ marched through the gates of hell and took all of those saints who died before Him and raised them with Him. That's the "first "resurrection."

I think the saints simultaneously being raised to life on earth again was a reinforcing sign of Christ's resurrection. Did they not go on to live & die again?
And "many of the bodies came out of the tombs" - how can that be "all of the saints who died before Him" as you say? And they certainly were not who were referred to in Rev.20:5 as "the first resurrection." They couldn't be.
Those in the first resurrection died after Christ's resurrection- they did not "receive the 'mark of the beast' - & that occurred many years after the Resurrection of Christ.

And I have a little different wording or further verse in Ephesians 4 for clarification (NKJV) 4:7-10,
Spiritual Gifts


7 But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift. 8 Therefore He says:


“ When He ascended on high,
He led captivity captive,
And gave gifts to men.â€[a]
9 (Now this, “He ascendedâ€â€”what does it mean but that He also first[b] descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)

Footnotes:

1. Ephesians 4:8 Psalm 68:18
2. Ephesians 4:9 NU-Text omits first.

I'm reading that Christ descended to into the lower parts of the earth (actually 'Hades' according to Acts 2:27- & not 'Hell)

But how can this be the resurrection of the dead , as Paul was on trial for in Acts? The "resurrection of the dead" Paul referred to was of the 12 tribes - the patriarchs. At Jesus' resurrection & ascension time- Paul hadn't even been converted- & Paul began to preach that hope of Israel.

The resurrection of the dead Paul speaks of is at the end of the great tribulation & the white throne judgment in AD70.

The "first resurrection" in Rev.20 is technically the spiritual rebirth of the apostles & saints who were the "firstfruits of the Spirit" but definitely not the ones coming out of their tombs at the same time as Jesus' resurrection.

Eph.4 says He descended & ascended so that He may fill all things.

He may have set those "captives" in the tombs back to life on earth. But they went on to die again.

I think it was just for emphasis on Jesus' resurrection itself.

 

[Hitch]

"Of course the passage (xx. 1-10) does not give us a direct description of 'the intermediate state.' We must bear in mind that the book we are reading is written in symbols and gives us a direct description of nothing that is set before us, but always a direct description of the symbol by which it is represented. In the preceding vision (xix. 1l-21) we had no direct description of the triumph and progress of the Gospel, but only of a fierce and gruesome war: the single phrase that spoke of the slaying sword as 'proceeding out of the mouth' of the conqueror alone indicating that it was a conquest by means of persuading words. So here we are not to expect a direct description of the 'intermediate state'...It is a description in the form of a narrative; the element of time and chronological succession belong to the symbol, not to the thing symbolized. The 'binding of Satan' is, therefore, in reality, not for a season, but with reference to a sphere; and his 'loosing' again is not after a period but in another sphere: it is not subsequence but exteriority that is suggested. There is, indeed, no literal 'binding of Satan' to be thought of at all: what happens, happens not to Satan but to the saints, and is only represented as happening to Satan for the purpose of the symbolical picture. What actually happens is that the saints described are removed from the sphere of Satan's assaults. The saints described are free from all access of Satan -- he is bound with respect to them: outside of their charmed circle his horrid work goes on. This is indicated, indeed, in the very employment of the two symbols 'a thousand years' and 'a little time.' A 'thousand years' is the symbol of heavenly completeness and blessing; the 'little time' of earthly turmoil and evil. Those in the 'thousand years' are safe from Satan's assaults: those outside the thousand years are still enduring his attacks. And therefore he, though with respect to those in the thousand years bound, is not destroyed; and the vision accordingly requires to close with an account of his complete destruction, and of course this also must needs be presented in the narrative form of a release of Satan, the gathering of his hosts and their destruction from above" (Article, The Millennium and the Apocalypse; reprinted in Biblical Doctrines, pp. 649-651).*

The Millennium ,L Boettner, 1957

 

[Lehigh3]

I think Mr. Boettner's so called "millennium & the apocalypse is unintelligible. Lacking in basic analogies of Scripture (comparing Scripture to Scripture)

One of the worst interpretations, if that what it even is supposed to be, since I don't think he even is correct about the use of the prophetic term "a thousand years!" (see Psa.90:2) It is not just used as as "heavenly completeness" It is also the time from king David to King Jesus- literally- & used prophetically & literally here in its scope of when God was rebuilding the tabernacle of David through His apostles in the "millennium" of 40 yr. duration. (Acts 15)
David ruled Israel for 40 yrs. with his mighty men. Similarly Christ & his apostles ruled in Christ's kingdom a 40 yr. period- then He handed up the Old covenant kingdom to the Father- And the kingdom of God was official.

Not to mention "the sword" out of Christ's mouth in ch.19! Boettner doesn't compare Scripture with Scripture, the obscure language based on primarily clearer language first...... nothing. (see Isa.49:4)

He gave some word "sphere" that protected the saints from satan. Where is that dominant in this passage in the Text or in the Olivet discourse?

Very poor exegesis, imo, nothing to consider at all in explaining why, what & when satan was bound-

No recognition of Christ ruling the nations with a rod of iron. The "nations" here being the Jews & the pagans- ethically & morally.


Surely you have a better commentaries than that?!

 

[Hitch]

I think Mr. Boettner's so called "millennium & the apocalypse is unintelligible. Lacking in basic analogies of Scripture (comparing Scripture to Scripture)

One of the worst interpretations, if that what it even is supposed to be, since I don't think he even is correct about the use of the prophetic term "a thousand years!" (see Psa.90:2) It is not just used as as "heavenly completeness" It is also the time from king David to King Jesus- literally- & used prophetically & literally here in its scope of when God was rebuilding the tabernacle of David through His apostles in the "millennium" of 40 yr. duration. (Acts 15)
David ruled Israel for 40 yrs. with his mighty men. Similarly Christ & his apostles ruled in Christ's kingdom a 40 yr. period- then He handed up the Old covenant kingdom to the Father- And the kingdom of God was official.

Not to mention "the sword" out of Christ's mouth in ch.19! Boettner doesn't compare Scripture with Scripture, the obscure language based on primarily clearer language first...... nothing. (see Isa.49:4)

He gave some word "sphere" that protected the saints from satan. Where is that dominant in this passage in the Text or in the Olivet discourse?

Very poor exegesis, imo, nothing to consider at all in explaining why, what & when satan was bound-

No recognition of Christ ruling the nations with a rod of iron. The "nations" here being the Jews & the pagans- ethically & morally.


Surely you have a better commentaries than that?!

When did you read the referenced work?


The Millennium ,L Boettner, 1957

 

[Lehigh3]

When did you read the referenced work?


The Millennium ,L Boettner, 1957

What I read is what everyone else here read- the excerpt of L.Boettner that you posted- which, was totally awful imho!

 

[reba]

Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Mat 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.



Any one care to agree with me on binding satan? Or will i hear how those scriptures don't really mean what they say?

 

[jasoncran]

Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Mat 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.



Any one care to agree with me on binding satan? Or will i hear how those scriptures don't really mean what they say?

a remnant of charismaticism in you.

 

[Lehigh3]

Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Mat 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.



Any one care to agree with me on binding satan? Or will i hear how those scriptures don't really mean what they say?

reba, I think you have to have an actual subject that 2 or 3 would bind satan about.
And if it's just doctrine about whether satan is bound or not- I don't think 2 or 3 or 100 will change the fact of whether or not Christ said "the ruler of this world" (that age) was judged.
He either destroyed the works of the devil or the Scripture is not true either.

100 can stand in agreement on the a belief that "satan is bound" today - but God will still hear the prayers of even just one righteous person! (Prov.15:29)

100 can stand in agreement for healing of another- but that doesn't mean that that one will be healed.

Christians are supposed to be the source for "healing the nations" in the New Jerusalem. But they don't believe it- so how can healing come to pass?

 

[jasoncran]

tree of life is here and the church is it? hmm when i read that first reference in the genesis account adam and eve were seperated from that. and it cant be a church in the first account of it.

 

[Lehigh3]

The tree of Life in Rev. is not the church-the New Jerusalem city is more likened to the Kingdom of God on earth. - & the tree of life is what the faithful have access to.
It's life & life abundantly in Christ. Eternal life begins now. We are sustained by this Spirit & the life giving properties of the tree.
What was lost in Adam, bc of sin & death (spiritual death) is gained back in Christ.

Psalm 1,
Psalm 1

The Way of the Righteous and the End of the Ungodly

1 Blessed is the man
Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly,
Nor stands in the path of sinners,
Nor sits in the seat of the scornful;
2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD,
And in His law he meditates day and night.
3 He shall be like a tree
Planted by the rivers of water,
That brings forth its fruit in its season,
Whose leaf also shall not wither;
And whatever he does shall prosper.

4 The ungodly are not so,
But are like the chaff which the wind drives away.
5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment,
Nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

6 For the LORD knows the way of the righteous,
But the way of the ungodly shall perish.

 

[jasoncran]

The tree of Life in Rev. is not the church-the New Jerusalem city is more likened to the Kingdom of God on earth. - & the tree of life is what the faithful have access to.
It's life & life abundantly in Christ. Eternal life begins now. We are sustained by this Spirit & the life giving properties of the tree.
What was lost in Adam, bc of sin & death (spiritual death) is gained back in Christ.

Psalm 1,
Psalm 1

The Way of the Righteous and the End of the Ungodly

1 Blessed is the man
Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly,
Nor stands in the path of sinners,
Nor sits in the seat of the scornful;
2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD,
And in His law he meditates day and night.
3 He shall be like a tree
Planted by the rivers of water,
That brings forth its fruit in its season,
Whose leaf also shall not wither;
And whatever he does shall prosper.

4 The ungodly are not so,
But are like the chaff which the wind drives away.
5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment,
Nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

6 For the LORD knows the way of the righteous,
But the way of the ungodly shall perish.

sorry, if its in genesis as something that god drove man from then why is it only after the judgment of all men does it reapear? its after the final destruction of satan.

like a tree doesnt really cut it. that means well grounded. the original tree of life cant be god as God was there removing them from that. if you noticed that he said lest they eat of God and be as one of us and live forever. so why would god then drive adam and eve from that thing if it was for their healing?

surely it has to be more then just healing then, i think that the tree is a type of herb that ensures health. i dont completely understand that fully and i will have to ask or learn more on that , however i dont buy your position as again we cant the healing power.

otherwise well benny hinns and there would be no sickness known amongst the early church right? yet timothy was sick often and james said if there is any sick amongst you.

 

[jasoncran]

i dont see what you say as being here even if that is possibility. God isnt confined to churches with the 12 gifts as you think.

these are still here and quite strong:

true blue charismatics churches
charismatics amongst the non-charmismatic faiths(been to a few myself)
charismatic catholics!

 

[Hitch]

What is the topic here?

 

[Elijah674]

There is nothing New God states! (of savational importance) Eccl. 3:15 finds that
satan was in the Garden of Eden before Earth was Created. (an empty pit!) See Jer. 4:23-27.
When Christ returns all earth will be left as before creation for one 1000 years. This is again satan chained home! All wicked are D-E-A-D until the 1000 years are up & then the wicked will have their resurection. They come up out of their grave the same as they went into it, with satan as their master.

It is then that they all will be blotted from existance! Obad. 1:16! satan is bound by these documented set of circumstances! ALL the Saved ones are in heaven from the time of the 2 Comming of Christ and will take part in the Executional Judgement faze of these wicked millions + angels & by their Accurate Record Books! 1 Cor. 6:2-3 + Eccl. 12:13-14 + Rev. 20:12-14. The ONLY WAY FOR DEAD TO STAND, is by [[BOOKS!]].

--Elijah

 

[Lehigh3]

There is nothing New God states! (of savational importance) Eccl. 3:15 finds that
satan was in the Garden of Eden before Earth was Created. (an empty pit!) See Jer. 4:23-27.
When Christ returns all earth will be left as before creation for one 1000 years. This is again satan chained home! All wicked are D-E-A-D until the 1000 years are up & then the wicked will have their resurection. They come up out of their grave the same as they went into it, with satan as their master.

It is then that they all will be blotted from existance! Obad. 1:16! satan is bound by these documented set of circumstances! ALL the Saved ones are in heaven from the time of the 2 Comming of Christ and will take part in the Executional Judgement faze of these wicked millions + angels & by their Accurate Record Books! 1 Cor. 6:2-3 + Eccl. 12:13-14 + Rev. 20:12-14. The ONLY WAY FOR DEAD TO STAND, is by [[BOOKS!]].

--Elijah

How do you know for certain that you are not "wicked?"

If you ever lied - you just might be in the Lake of Fire. Fornicator? Lake of Fire.
How about being cowardly? Lake of Fire, which is the second death.

My real point is- regardless of some 1,000 yrs.- beyond it- in the New Jerusalem, the salvation call is still going out to those outside the city.

So you can't be right even about salvation & the increase of His government (of which there will be no end)

 

[reba]

Back to topic the OP

SatanBound

There is no shortage of ideas about when and what satan being bound really means. Many are just plain silly. The trouble with the worst of them is that they are based on ignoring what Jesus actually said. It might not suit your girlish notions but if you fail to submit to what Jesus taught you'll always be helping the enemy.


24Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn....

35That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
36Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;



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